Who refuses to use IE, and who uses Mozilla, and for what reasons?

[RSI]

I am aware of..
ok wait a sec, I just noticed this as typing so I'll comment now. In Mozilla, if you're typing a message on AT, you can't press control-backspace like in IE to delete a whole word? WTF? Ok, and if you keep tying on one line it makes a horizontal scrollbar on the bottom of the message box and keeps going to the right, as opposed to just wrapping.. why? I'd think they would have fixed little things like that, unless this is how they intended it to be. BTW, it's the latest build of Mozilla. I think it's a great idea for the project and all, but I doubt I'd keep using it, unless I get cable/dsl at home - cause pages seem to load slower for me, on dialup. And pages look a little funny most of the time... like AT looks different. How come Mozilla renders the tables differently? Is it because of Mozilla being more strict on the code, or Mozilla itself?

Anyway, let's see what your thoughts on Mozilla and opensource software, in comparison to MS, is.

-RSI

 

[j0lly]

I'm happy with IEv6.x

 

[Paulson]

Yeah I'll stick with IE 6.0

 

[jlee75]

i like IE6.... was using opera for a little while cuz its dam fast but had issues with the forums and several other websites.

 

[n0cmonkey]

I dont refust to use IE, but I only use it at work. And Im about to stop because IE6 is total crap. Mozilla is what I use on my Mac, and what I would use on linux if I surfed from there. Mozilla is still broken on OpenBSD so I cant use it there. The line wrapping does not appear to be a bug, so no fixing would be needed. Mozilla is much better than IE, in my book.

 

[Elledan]

Textfields have always acted a bit funky, yet the symptoms you describe are unique for FuseTalk. With other forums I haven't experienced any of such problems.

I don't use IE because its bookmarking system simply sucks, and it's too tightly integrated into Windows, and it's not available for Linux, and it misses some of the features I need, but which Mozilla does offer.

I simply have no need for IE. I've Mozilla, K-Meleon, Konqueror, Opera, Links and Lynx, so another browser which is less capable is the last thing I need.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< I don't use IE because its bookmarking system simply sucks, and it's too tightly integrated into Windows, and it's not available for Linux, and it misses some of the features I need, but which Mozilla does offer. >>



TABS!!! How could we use a browser without them?!

Omniweb is one of the best browsers out there (similar to Opera), but its only for the mac.

 

[Random Variable]

FuseTalk, for the most part, only works with Internet Explorer, and not with Mozilla and Opera. Therefore, I have a feeling that FuseTalk was designed specifically for IE, and it is not W3C compliant. But then again, most of the Internet isn't W3C compliant.

 

[Diffusion]

<< I don't use IE because its bookmarking system simply sucks, and it's too tightly integrated into Windows, and it's not available for Linux, and it misses some of the features I need, but which Mozilla does offer. >>


IE (and Outlook) are availible for Solaris, although why you would choose to use them is beyond me.

 

[Schlocemus]

Mozilla in Unix...

 

[Soybomb]

I use opera. It rocks.

 

[n0cmonkey]

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<< I don't use IE because its bookmarking system simply sucks, and it's too tightly integrated into Windows, and it's not available for Linux, and it misses some of the features I need, but which Mozilla does offer. >>


IE (and Outlook) are availible for Solaris, although why you would choose to use them is beyond me. >>



From everything I have heard they suck too. And I am sure as heck not going out to buy a sun box to run IE

 

[Electrode]

There are lots of reasons why I hate IE:

1. It works with MS's fvcked up version of HTML. Since everyone uses it, the vast majority of web designers don't even bother writhing W3C-compliant code, and so begins the gradual death of the Web.
2. It is the only web browser that is vulnerable to website-based viruses. You are safe in other browsers.
3. The only way to stop those damn pop-up ads is to disable javascript, and that causes all kinds of problems. Most browsers I know of let you disable specific javascript features (such as opening windows), and Mozilla has more sophisticated code that stops pop-up ads, while allowing good pop-ups to work.
4. ActiveX controls can be installed without a prompt, and because the browser is fused with the whole OS, a bad control (i.e. spyware or the viruses I mentioned in #2) can destroy your OS.
5. It only runs on Windows and Mac OS. Even if I didn't hate IE, I couldn't use it since I run Linux.

I guess the only thing about IE that's better than Mozilla is that it doesn't support <blink>, but it makes up for it with all the annoying things you can do with vbscript.

Every time I come across a website that doesn't render correctly in Mozilla, I tell the webmaster. If everyone did that, we'd be on our way to a W3C-compliant web.

 

[S0me1X]

I like Opera 6 a lot, but I still use IE5 because of convinence.

 

[Sir Fredrick]

Unfortunately, IE handles tables better, as well as multiple open windows, which is essential for me because I always have like 10 browser windows open. I really want to use Mozilla...but when it struggles with my AT browsing, I can't justify it.

 

[Random Variable]

<< Every time I come across a website that doesn't render correctly in Mozilla, I tell the webmaster. If everyone did that, we'd be on our way to a W3C-compliant web. >>


Are you sure that Mozilla is a 100 percent W3C compliant browser? I know that Opera is, but I'm not so sure about Mozilla.

 

[n0cmonkey]

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<< Every time I come across a website that doesn't render correctly in Mozilla, I tell the webmaster. If everyone did that, we'd be on our way to a W3C-compliant web. >>


Are you sure that Mozilla is a 100 percent W3C compliant browser? I know that Opera is, but I'm not so sure about Mozilla. >>



Maybe nto 100%, but that is one of their goals. Chances are the sites that are not working are not 100% correct either.

 

[ShadowHunter]

There are 2 reasons why Mozilla users exists:

1. They can't use IE because they hate Microsoft.

2. They use a non-Windows OS because they hate Microsoft even more then Windows Mozilla users.

 

[Keego]

netscape in linux = suck

kde's built in browser works better (but I forget the name... grrr!)

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< There are 2 reasons why Mozilla users exists:

1. They can't use IE because they hate Microsoft.

2. They use a non-Windows OS because they hate Microsoft even more then Windows Mozilla users. >>



3. They use non-Windows OSes because they use computers differently than you.
4. They use non-Windows OSes because they are more comfortable in UNIX-like environments.
5. Old netscape fans that want a trimmed down netscape.

Go be a zealot somewhere else.

 

[AdamDuritz99]

<<

<< There are 2 reasons why Mozilla users exists:

1. They can't use IE because they hate Microsoft.

2. They use a non-Windows OS because they hate Microsoft even more then Windows Mozilla users. >>



3. They use non-Windows OSes because they use computers differently than you.
4. They use non-Windows OSes because they are more comfortable in UNIX-like environments.
5. Old netscape fans that want a trimmed down netscape.

Go be a zealot somewhere else. >>



OUCH! He has you there man. In Windows i use IE b/c it loads faster/looks better(but that's all in opinion too) In linux i perfer Opera. I don't really know why so many people hate MS, as you can really tell in some posts here. I like Windows and Linux, they both have their good and bad points. My biggest and basically only complaint is MS is the biggest software company, if not the biggest company in the world, and the best they can do is windows 2k. 2K is great, don't get me wrong, but Linux is completely free and comparable to Windows. hmmm....


peace
sean

 

[TallBill]

i refuse to use anything other then IE.. hehe.. cuz ie came with the os, and im to lazy to download others

 

[n0cmonkey]

<<

<<

<< There are 2 reasons why Mozilla users exists:

1. They can't use IE because they hate Microsoft.

2. They use a non-Windows OS because they hate Microsoft even more then Windows Mozilla users. >>



3. They use non-Windows OSes because they use computers differently than you.
4. They use non-Windows OSes because they are more comfortable in UNIX-like environments.
5. Old netscape fans that want a trimmed down netscape.

Go be a zealot somewhere else. >>



OUCH! He has you there man. >>



He who has you who?



<< In Windows i use IE b/c it loads faster/looks better(but that's all in opinion too) In linux i perfer Opera. I don't really know why so many people hate MS, as you can really tell in some posts here. I like Windows and Linux, they both have their good and bad points. My biggest and basically only complaint is MS is the biggest software company, if not the biggest company in the world, and the best they can do is windows 2k. 2K is great, don't get me wrong, but Linux is completely free and comparable to Windows. hmmm.... >>



I use IE in Windows, although IE6 has almost gotten to the point of absurdity. Unfortunately Im not allowed to install software on this machine. On all platforms that I can use it I do. Opera is great, but its still in beta for Mac OS X and doesnt work perfectly in OpenBSD.


Piece,
n0c

 

[CocaCola5]

Open source don't need to out duel MS.

 

[AdamDuritz99]

Oh sorry, i agree with shawdowhunter that many (not saying majority b/c i really don't know), but many people don't use MS products b/c they are just antiMS, but when you said other reasons, you are right, some people just use there pc's for other things, or feel more comfortable with something else. though if you say netscape is the best browser, i would probably laugh at you.


peace
sean