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Amused

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<< People die every day because of the underground pot market. When was the last time tobacco farmers booby trapped their crops? Well, that happens all the time in Northern California pot fields.

Links? Sure they booby trap their crops. But how many deaths do you get a year due to this?
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Let me get this straight... Are you trying to deny that there are many murders each year within the black market for illegal drugs, including pot?
 

TheOmegaCode

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<< I smoke Djarum Black Cloves 'cause I'm trying to quit.

99% of people hate them, but I love 'em.
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They aren't bad... They are actually worse than regular smokes though... I don't smoke though... only on everynow and again... like 1-4 a month...
 

tm37

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Smoking is accually benifitial to the government WITHOUT tobacco contributions.

Smokers who don't draw on the welfare system ACCUALLY contribute for more than they take out of the system.

You want to get the people who are making oll the money on the smoke sales?

THe one who is getting the majority of profits?

The one group that gets over 50 cents of your smoking dollar?


BOYCOTT THE GOVERNMENT!:Q
 

veryape

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<< Harvey i was going to stay out of this until you mentioned that cigs are just as if not MORE deadly than crack or heroin. Having one cig cannot kill a person. using heroin or crack just once CAN kill a person and has. as far as addiction....i would say that crack and heroin are more addictive than cigs, you just do it less often than cigs. >>

Pyonir, I wasn't even going to reply to this thread, but your post made me feel the need to. I am an ex-heroin addict, who is currently on methadone(which, contrary to many people ignorant to facts, doesn't get you high, and is equivelent to insulin for a diabetic or the patch for a smoker, but that isn't the topic at hand)but guess what I have not been able to stop. That's right, cigarettes.

I can tell you that heroin and cigarettes are about the same in their addictive properties, and i've gleened that knowlege from first hand experience, not a book. The only difference is that heroin gets you high, so it would seem to people who have not smoked cigarettes that there is no positive effect, so why do they smoke. Well, the answer is that cigarettes contain nicotene, which is a stimulant and is addictive, and it does give you a slight euphoric feeling, whether you realise it or not.

I'm not saying heroin is easy or easier to quit than cigarettes, because it isn't. They are equivelent in my experience. If I didn't have methadone I don't think i'd have stopped heroin, because the only amount of time I was ever able to get away from it with nothing was two months, and that was the most painful two months of my life, both physically and mentally. I have not been able to stop cigarette smoking for even a day, ever. You were right about one thing though, crack is a bit easier than both cigarettes and heroin, but not much.

If you have never smoked, you have no idea how hard it is to quit. I agree with Harvey that the cigarette companies lied to the public for many years, but the government is not penalizing the companies, at least not nearly as much as they are penalizing smokers by charging us five bucks a pack when they know damn well that most smokers never even require treatment for any smoking related disease, although they have done a pretty good job at making non-smokers believe cigarettes cost taxpayers zillions in their taxes every year.

Even if smokers did need tax money to pay for their treatment for smoking related illnesses, who cares, they pay their taxes too, so why should they be charged extra for it, especially when they will likely never even get sick from anything even remotely related to tobacco. Instead smokers are charged a bit more every year. It amazes me that people are so willing to make smokers pay billions of dollars a year in taxes, raise the price of smokes yearly, even though smoking related illness costs no more than a quarter billion a year, and that is being generous.

I'm tire of being penalized for being a smoker, and i'm sick of people who don't smoke complaining about what a liability I am and wanting to charge me more so they can pay less. How about I charge you non-smokers twenty bucks a six pack of beer and raise it a dollar every year. Would you like that?
 

yakko

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<< AmusedOne -- << ... the government has no right whatsoever to forcibly save people from themselves. >>

I'm more concerned with saving myself and others from a government that so blatantly corrupted by money that it can't even bring itself to consider taking reasonable steps to promote the public welfare by educating our kids about the dangers of tobacco and including smoking reduction in the health services they already (lamely) attempt to provide. It also calls into question what else they do for greed that runs contrary to the interests of the public, at large.
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It is not the governments job to baby us through our lives. We all know the dangers of smoking. We have known it for years before the GOVERNMENT required the labels on tobacco products to include a health warning. If you are so concerned about saving the world from the government smoking should not be anywhere near the top of your list of priorities. There are far worse things they do to bring down my quality of life that you should be concerned with.

And like it has been said before no amount of knowledge will stop everyone from doing stupid things Your friends are living proof of the sort of stupid choices people make when you let them think for themselves and make their own decisions.
 

Mill

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<< Pyonir, I wasn't even going to reply to this thread, but your post made me feel the need to. I am an ex-heroin addict, who is currently on methadone(which, contrary to many people ignorant to facts, doesn't get you high, and is equivelent to insulin for a diabetic or the patch for a smoker, but that isn't the topic at hand)but guess what I have not been able to stop. That's right, cigarettes. >>




I don't really understand you Veryape. Another friend of mine who is a recovering addict agreed with me before I was going to post a response. Methadone did get us high. Very high. We were smacked out. I did methadone probably 5 or 6 times in high doses. We have another friend who just got off methadone. Everytime she took that crap it knocked her out and made her so fcked up she couldn't talk.
 

Jzero

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<< Don't Cloves make you impotent? >>


Tell yourself that all you want...your girl might buy it, but I sure don't
 

LadyJessica

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Let me get this straight... Are you trying to deny that there are many murders each year within the black market for illegal drugs, including pot?

Hey, now you're just putting words in my mouth (or keyboard). I never said anything about illegal drugs other than pot. I haven't even mentioned the black market on such substances. I'm saying that murders due to pot are most probably insignificant and are likely much less than they are for other illegal drugs. When's the last time you saw someone trying to grow a cocoa plant here?
 

Frolodo

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Would this would be like the gun argument? It's not cigarettes that kill people, it's the "stick huggers" that smoke and kill themselves.
 

Siva

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I don't smoke and I'm not gonna. Aside from all the health effect, etc.... its too much money! Cigs are getting more expensive by the day it seems, and I know once i got hooked I'd never be able to stop, its not the kind of thing i can do. We aren't all supermen like russ. Even so I'm not gonna complain about anyone who wants to smoke, with today's society its hard not to know what you are getting into, and if you know what you're doing go for it (unless they are someone i care about or if its in the car, you rude fvckers, you know who you are).
 

Yeeny

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I quit a year ago in December, fourth time quitting for me. Every time I quit for over a year and went back, hopefully this time I can stick to it. As for anyone condemning people because they smoke, get over it. Every day people move to polluted areas, drink alcohol, speed when driving, drink caffeine, and do tons of other things that they have been warned are dangerous to their health. But do they stop? Hell no, and thats their choice. Just like if someone wants to light up, thats their choice, and their life, so get off your soap boxes and let people live their lives in peace.

Harvey, I am sorry about your friends, and I can see your point that when you were young, those warnings were not there for them to heed. But, most of them probably wouldn't have quit anyway. But people nowadays know better, we know the warnings, and we still do it. So its not the same thing, now we make our choices willingly, and we cannot blame anyone for that but ourselves.
 

veryape

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<< Pyonir, I wasn't even going to reply to this thread, but your post made me feel the need to. I am an ex-heroin addict, who is currently on methadone(which, contrary to many people ignorant to facts, doesn't get you high, and is equivelent to insulin for a diabetic or the patch for a smoker, but that isn't the topic at hand)but guess what I have not been able to stop. That's right, cigarettes. >>




I don't really understand you Veryape. Another friend of mine who is a recovering addict agreed with me before I was going to post a response. Methadone did get us high. Very high. We were smacked out. I did methadone probably 5 or 6 times in high doses. We have another friend who just got off methadone. Everytime she took that crap it knocked her out and made her so fcked up she couldn't talk.
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Yea, well talk to someone who was on it longer than a week. Either your friends were never heroin addicts in the first place or they are full of crap. It just amazes me how you're going to tell me, someone who's been on methadone a half dozen times, and this time for 2 and a half years, how methadone feels and works. Give me a break. Just because your 100lb friend was on a dose that was probably way too high for her for too short a time to know the difference, doesn't mean it gets you high. That high it produces lasts between a week and a month, and then nadda, zero, zilch. Trust me, and ask anyone who has been on a clinic longer than a month, or even better, go read a site devoted to it.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough, it gives heroin addicts a very slight feeling for about a week, and then totally subsides, but it gives anyone who hasn't been a heroin/opiate addict a great high, even lethal alot of times. If it were getting us high, there would be a hell of a lot more junkies on methadone then there are right now, I mean 80 dollars compared to the 1000 dollars I was spending a week on junk, hmmm. That would be a junkies wet dream, but alas, it's not.
 

Mill

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Right and I never used heroin, but I did use methadone and it got me high. She does weigh less than a 100 lbs and it messed her up really bad.
 

PistachioByAzul

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I've wondered if cigarettes are even physically addictive. To me it seems that what's "addictive" is the habit that is formed, and what keeps us doing it is the fact that it's so easy and painless and doesn't get you intoxicated. I'm not sure that's it is necessarily nicotine having an effect as we simply get a buzz from doing something so comfortable and familiar, smoking is always something you can fall back on, as long as you have that pack everything will be cool.

Compare the withdrawl effects of cigarettes vs that of heroin or coke, "irritability" vs hallucinations, physical and mental illness.
 

Amused

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<< I've wondered if cigarettes are even physically addictive. To me it seems that what's "addictive" is the habit that is formed, and what keeps us doing it is the fact that it's so easy and painless and doesn't get you intoxicated. I'm not sure that's it is necessarily nicotine having an effect as we simply get a buzz from doing something so comfortable and familiar, smoking is always something you can fall back on, as long as you have that pack everything will be cool.

Compare the withdrawl effects of cigarettes vs that of heroin or coke, "irritability" vs hallucinations, physical and mental illness.
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Oh it goes far beyond psychological for nicotine addiction, although the psychological factor is a big one. For the first few days to a week, your heart races uncontrollably and you have severe night sweats. The cravings are nearly uncontrollable. If it wasn't physical, nicotine replacement therapy wouldn't work. Actually, nicotine replacement works too well, simply replacing one addiction with another.
 

Amused

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<< This woman I work with smoked during two pregnancies, that pissed me off :disgust: >>



So did nearly 50% of women before the late sixties/early seventies. It's raises an already very low chance of low birth weight. It's not smart, but it's not the end of the world most people have made it out to be.
 

Bulk Beef

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Pack/day of Camel Lights. I just paid $4.52 for a lousy pack of cigarettes today, and I'm about ready to quit.
 
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