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BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
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You get bad files far more often with usenet. With torrents, if it has thousands of seeds and lots of upvotes, you can be pretty confidant it's a good file.

I thought there were more fakes with torrents.

If the file gets damaged or you miss a part what can you do? Most files on Usenet come with par files to fix problems.

What about torrent files that aren't popular? How many times are you left with an incomplete file? With Usenet it doesn't matter if it's not popular or old. You can get files that are more than 5 years old with confidence.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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I thought there were more fakes with torrents.

If the file gets damaged or you miss a part what can you do? Most files on Usenet come with par files to fix problems.

Dunno about fakes, but I've seen very few. Of course I read reviews also. Bittorrent has builtin checksumming. You never get a bad file. It might not be what you want, but you can be sure it's in as-uploaded condition. That's why bittorrent is my preferred transfer protocol for files of all types.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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On many occasions, I've used Usenet to get files that were missing from a dead torrent, then used those files to seed a dead torrent for the same release. Still, many torrent uploaders are incompetent idiots who do stupid things, like putting a bunch of RAR files into another archive format.

I'm talking about legal stuff, though.
 

wirednuts

Diamond Member
Jan 26, 2007
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ive torrented way more then usenetted. i hated how i always spent so much time sifting through utter crap on usenet. ive found some things, but for the most part it was a headache.

torrents are much easier. who knows which one is more private or safe, but if i had to guess i would say neither. but i encrypt my torretns, and the RARE times i have a problem its because i used a tracker site that i normally dont. my only guess is i connected with a monitoring server, because there is no other way anyone could know.

but i doubt its much longer before they start setting up fake newsgroup servers to catch pirates just the same way.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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torrents are much easier. who knows which one is more private or safe, but if i had to guess i would say neither. but i encrypt my torretns, and the RARE times i have a problem its because i used a tracker site that i normally dont. my only guess is i connected with a monitoring server, because there is no other way anyone could know.

People get nailed using torrents because everyone in the swarm can see everyone else's ip address. Blocklists are of marginal utility. All someone has to do is use a home connection, join a torrent, and set their client to log. They get the addresses of everyone that joined the torrent, and their ip address doesn't show up on blocklists. Encrypting the connection doesn't do anything. That's meant to defeat traffic shaping by ISPs, not cover the torrent activity.

To get around that you can use a vpn that doesn't log, or use private trackers. Private trackers aren't foolproof, but the investment for companies is too great to spend the time on it due to much smaller numbers of people.
 

Sureshot324

Diamond Member
Feb 4, 2003
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I thought there were more fakes with torrents.

If the file gets damaged or you miss a part what can you do? Most files on Usenet come with par files to fix problems.

What about torrent files that aren't popular? How many times are you left with an incomplete file? With Usenet it doesn't matter if it's not popular or old. You can get files that are more than 5 years old with confidence.

Both usenet and torrent sites are full of fake passworded rars, broken files, movies with out of sync audio, movies in other languages that aren't labelled, etc.. The difference is, with usenet you can't tell what's good and what's shit. You have to guess.

Torrent sites have upvote systems and files with lots of seeds are generally good. Also, if you're downloading a movie, you can see you're getting an actually video file and not a rar which could be passworded. With usenet, pretty much all large files are packaged as a bunch of rars due to limitations of usenet.
 

wirednuts

Diamond Member
Jan 26, 2007
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People get nailed using torrents because everyone in the swarm can see everyone else's ip address. Blocklists are of marginal utility. All someone has to do is use a home connection, join a torrent, and set their client to log. They get the addresses of everyone that joined the torrent, and their ip address doesn't show up on blocklists. Encrypting the connection doesn't do anything. That's meant to defeat traffic shaping by ISPs, not cover the torrent activity.

To get around that you can use a vpn that doesn't log, or use private trackers. Private trackers aren't foolproof, but the investment for companies is too great to spend the time on it due to much smaller numbers of people.

theres no way to track newsgroup users though? it seems like it would be even easier
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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Both usenet and torrent sites are full of fake passworded rars, broken files, movies with out of sync audio, movies in other languages that aren't labelled, etc.. The difference is, with usenet you can't tell what's good and what's shit. You have to guess.

Torrent sites have upvote systems and files with lots of seeds are generally good. Also, if you're downloading a movie, you can see you're getting an actually video file and not a rar which could be passworded. With usenet, pretty much all large files are packaged as a bunch of rars due to limitations of usenet.

The RARs help with torrents too.

"Scene" releases of various content are distributed as RARs for a reason and that reason also applies to torrents. You can get the RARs from multiple sources (Usenet, private FTPs, IRC fserves), and then seed a torrent if you want.

As I said before, I've found incomplete torrents before, obtained the missing RARs elsewhere (including Usenet) and then seeded the torrent.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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theres no way to track newsgroup users though? it seems like it would be even easier

There is if the newsgroup server keeps logs, and turns them over to someone who asks. Otherwise, I don't think so. Newsgroups are more work with less benefit, so the companies haven't bothered so far.
 

zokudu

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Nov 11, 2009
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The RARs help with torrents too.

"Scene" releases of various content are distributed as RARs for a reason and that reason also applies to torrents. You can get the RARs from multiple sources (Usenet, private FTPs, IRC fserves), and then seed a torrent if you want.

As I said before, I've found incomplete torrents before, obtained the missing RARs elsewhere (including Usenet) and then seeded the torrent.

I thought scene groups did that to allow for quicker distribution through ftp once a release launches.
 

SheHateMe

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Jul 21, 2012
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I use Astraweb. Great provider, no problems with anything. As far as discussions...erm...if you belong to an indexing community with a forum then yea. I use NZBMatrix for indexing. Hasnt failed me yet. There are good files out there, with NZB, they take any crap files down or viruses..whatever it is.
 
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MonKENy

Platinum Member
Nov 1, 2007
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there has been alot of generated talk around the web about usenet lately. You can kiss it goodbye. Its becoming to talked about and discussed. W/file share sites, and torrent hosting sites being taken down so much lately people are looking for new sources for files and its bringing dipshit users who have no Idea how to properly share files to places like that.

Just be careful out there boys and girls. and remember Big Daddy is always watching
 

pcslookout

Lifer
Mar 18, 2007
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Usenet will never go down. It is impossible to take down. Sure there is DMCA but they never get all of them.
 

wirednuts

Diamond Member
Jan 26, 2007
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Usenet will never go down. It is impossible to take down. Sure there is DMCA but they never get all of them.

until net neutrality laws are not a fad anymore. open internet spreads terrorism remember? we must be safe online therefore our government must take over full control.
 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
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alt.home.repair and rec.gardens are going strong like they were in the mid 90s. You might find it hard to believe that this is not the first place I go to for advice in those two areas.
 

BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
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I use Astraweb and it's great.

Deja News was a discussion archive, no binaries. It was not a Usenet provider.

It was really great if you wanted to look up old information. That kind of stuff doesn't usually last long on the web. It went back a lot further than any Usenet provider's retention.
 
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