Who thinks AMD will be out of desktop CPU market by 2014?

[Rifter]

So with the flop that is derpdozer who thinks AMD's days are numbered? I think they might make it to haswell if they lower prices and take a loss for a few years but within a year of haswell they are done IMO.

Dont forget to vote in the Poll.

 

[RiDE]

 

[Rifter]

you seriously think they are going to pull out of this and compete in the desktop market?

 

[Soccerman06]

So can anyone answer why they didnt just do a die shrink instead, that would probably lead to better performance than this. With the letdown that this shitdozer is, you would think someones getting shitcanned. We already went through this frequency is king bs years ago and now AMD wants to try it again? So many questions, probably no real answers.

Maybe they are just banking on the idiots and unaware customer who say "OOOH higher clocks AND more cores I MUST BUY THIS ISNTEAD!"

 

[Absolution75]

Intel is moving to what? 22nm in about 6 months? AMD just started on 32nm which turns out to be pretty poor for them.

Don't even forget about Intel's new 3d transistor which apparently is about to make their CPU's ridiculously better than they are now...

 

[Tsavo]

They won't be out of it, but they will continue hanging by a frayed thread like they've been doing since forever.

What's so disappointing about BD is that it doesn't look like it can easily be fixed in future iterations.

 

[Arkaign]

Intel could just push back release schedule and let AMD float, kind of like what happened for years until K7 started ramping up.

 

[Rifter]

Intel could just push back release schedule and let AMD float, kind of like what happened for years until K7 started ramping up.

This is what im trying not to think about. I want intel to keep pushing ahead.

 

[Arkaign]

This is what im trying not to think about. I want intel to keep pushing ahead.

It may be a wise business decision for Intel not to kill AMD at this time. They easily could nearly instantly with a couple of moves right now, but that would suck for everyone really.

 

[georgec84]

AMD needs to license ARM yesterday...their future will be in mobile.

 

[gevorg]

There is a third wheel called Apple that is pushing Intel really hard for faster and more power efficient CPUs. Intel might still delay Ivy Bridge, but not by much (I hope!). Or release Ivy at more conservative clocks to allow later refresh and a longer road to Haswell.

 

[Phynaz]

AMD needs to license ARM yesterday...their future will be in mobile.

Yes, because instead of competing with 1 Intel, they could compete with 100 of them

 

[Barfo]

There is a third wheel called Apple that is pushing Intel really hard for faster and more power efficient CPUs. Intel might still delay Ivy Bridge, but not by much (I hope!). Or release Ivy at more conservative clocks to allow later refresh and a longer road to Haswell.

Pushing really hard? Apple has to buy Intel processors whether they like them or not because there's no other choice.

 

[Rifter]

It may be a wise business decision for Intel not to kill AMD at this time. They easily could nearly instantly with a couple of moves right now, but that would suck for everyone really.

I know its not smart for Intel, I know they will delay to avoid being split up as a company. I just hope it doesnt happen as Intel is all we have left now and i want to still see gains being made.

 

[Kristijonas]

I love the sarcasm of this poll. Especially compared to AMDs plan chart.
They won't be out. It's a big company and the only competition in CPU market. They could be rolling behind intel for 10 years before bancrupcy. Also they have ATI, which is a successful company, I think. And they have llano. My guess is that after this failure, they will focus on making cpu's with really good integrated graphics. And that could lead to many things. Intel will probably now feel relaxed in a good way and instead of focusing on speed, might focus on more features, which can only be a good thing, as we have enough cpu speed already, don't we.
All of the above is just my opinion, I haven't read any financial data on this.

 

[smakme7757]

They won't be out at all. BD isn't the smash hit we hoped for, but it's still competitive just like Phenom II and the X6 line. The game hasn't changed, AMD lags slightly behind Intel, so essentially, unless Intel releases CPUs that smash both the high end and low end AMD processors by a massive margin while being competitive on price AMD will always be in the game.

 

[Rifter]

I love the sarcasm of this poll. Especially compared to AMDs plan chart.
They won't be out. It's a big company and the only competition in CPU market. They could be rolling behind intel for 10 years before bancrupcy. Also they have ATI, which is a successful company, I think. And they have llano. My guess is that after this failure, they will focus on making cpu's with really good integrated graphics. And that could lead to many things. Intel will probably now feel relaxed in a good way and instead of focusing on speed, might focus on more features, which can only be a good thing, as we have enough cpu speed already, don't we.
All of the above is just my opinion, I haven't read any financial data on this.

I dont think they have the cash to lag behind for so long after purchasing ATI. I would agree that Intel focusing on features is a good thing but they are doing the opposite, look at X79, They stripped half the features they had announced out of the chipset. Im sure BD's flop had something to do with that. From intels perspective it makes sense they are going to sell the chipset/CPU for the same price either way so the less features it has the better from a cost/profit standpoint.

 

[greenhawk]

people have been saying similar (ie "AMD is doomed") from at least the early 90's (well, when I remember hearing it the first time).

do not expect them to die any time soon.

As to the "comments" about AMD's vs intel's NM size, no suprise their seeing AMD has far far less of a R&D budget.

 

[Kristijonas]

That makes sense rifterut, but X79 is not the best example here as it was released before BD, when they were still afraid BD might be something competitive in performance. We'll have to see how intel goes with Ivy. I'd bet they will concentrate on features with it, as it's going to be fast enough even if it's "only" 10% faster than Sandy.

 

[wlee15]

It would be hilarious if after all the moaning and whining BD ends of selling like hotcakes in the OEM machines solely on the 8-core factor.

 

[Phynaz]

I just want their stock price to go back up to $9. I'll be the first out the door then.

Heck, I'll exit at $8 and be happy.

 

[jmarti445]

They have two things going for them, Fusion and Radeon. You can even say that Phenom isn't that bad but they have to drop the price a bit on the processors. Bulldozer is a bust.

 

[theevilsharpie]

It would be hilarious if after all the moaning and whining BD ends of selling like hotcakes in the OEM machines solely on the 8-core factor.

Intel might be able to pull off the marketing on that, but AMD simply doesn't have the pull with OEMs to sell them underperforming chips, particularly they need to put in a higher-capacity power supply to do so.

 

[MisterMac]

There is no way AMD will be out of the desktop market, EVER.

Not before we start looking at completely different ways to use computing and chips and so on.


Whoever thinks that is a...ahem.



If AMD wasn't here - how would we know sandybridge was a real success?


The problem comes if Intel pushes AMD to the fringes (Which they seem to be considering) - where it'll be the underdog for the underdogs sake, not a viable alternative.

As Enthusiast - we'll get screwed and have to live with whatever they want and just take it - since no one is here to tell us "taking it" is bad.


If the traditional market is safe - it does however raise the question if the continued growth will see intel start a new battle on ARM.

Winning the x86-64 market and having it 100% under control - youve have to give your workforce something to fight for.

Which could be TDP of a Cortex, but performance of a i3.



So i geuss it depends what you see as most positive.
50 Gflops on a tablet ? or 250 on a Desktop?

That's where we're headed anyway.


Imho by delaying Ivy bridge - they're killing AMD more and gaining a ton more OEM/SKU sales since they'll just about snap up as many in the "upgrade time" cycle as possible.

They probably already know Ivy will give X percentage better performance, and kill sandybridge - if released at same price points.
So why not wait and maximise profits?
....while AMD humbles along slowly getting pushed out to OEM builds and laptops.


Now lets imagine Haswell's GPU starts nearing top end cards, it will be complete dominance.

They have to fail @ this point for AMD to get continued revenue and atleast try to claw it's way back on performance against the Intel R&D machine.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

No. Why? Llano and Bobcat.

Bulldozer is as bad as the original Phenom, though.