Who thinks the refs of the superbowl were biased?

[oddyager]

Yeah there were a couple of nonsense calls but Seattle screwed themselves either way with their shoddy play and playcalling.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: SampSon
Refs gave the game to the steelers.

Agreed.

Ask yourself this, though. Would Seattle have still won without the calls? Pull back the Roethlesberger touchdown, and the Steelers still win 14-10. Their passing was sub-par, the coaching was mediocre, and the field goal kicker choked.

Wrong....pull back the calls and at worst it's 7-7 at half. 14-7 after the run. 14-14 after the completion to the 1. After that...who knows.

The sad part about this is that we will never know what the outcome would've been if both teams were allowed to play.

To Pittsburgh fans...keep this in mind, the Seahawks defense kept you at three and out through most of the first half. When did Big Ben start moving the ball? When Rocky Bernard, Andre Dyson and Marquand Manuel went down with injuries. Yes the Seahawks blew chances with dropped balls, etc.
I don't think you can say the same however...you were flat out, out-played and you know it.

So remove the refs from the equation and yes...it is a totally different game.

 

[Kevin1211]

funny pic

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: kranky
On that 15-yard penalty on Hasselbeck during the interception return - wasn't he flagged for hitting a BLOCKER low, and not for the tackle?

I know I've seen that called in other games.

Yes, that's what he was called for, but he hit the blocker in a failed attempt the tackle the ball carrier.
That's why it was a bad call...but either way, the Steelers still had the ball.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Boohoo, Steelers won, Seattle didn't. STFU.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Being a cowboys fan and still expecting the steelers to win, I was apalled at the officating. They're almost as bad as Big 10 refs! Maybe a few snuck in there or something.

 

[MidasKnight]

For those who voted " yes " to this poll here .....



Sorry conspiracy buffs, a loss sometimes is just a loss

 

[GrantMeThePower]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight
For those who voted " yes " to this poll here .....



Sorry conspiracy buffs, a loss sometimes is just a loss

Yes, but you realize that ESPN has almost as much to lose as the NFL if the game was rigged. ESPN has monday night football starting next year. ABC had the super bowl. ABC and ESPN are both owned by the same company (Disney) and would all be hurt if it was proven true. This article is just protecting their butts because they must. There was one token article there about it, but the idea of an actual set up was not discussed or anylzed. It was like they knew they had to say something and they just wrote that the refs made a mistake. Eff that. The game was rigged.

I'm not a seahawks fan by any measure. I live in L.A. I have no football team. I am a football fan and this game was a disgrace to the sport. If i was a diehard Pittsburgh fan (and they are a great time, IMO-I also graduated from USC and i LOVE Troy Polamolu) I'd be pissed that we didn't get to prove ourselves, instead it was handed over. This was complete and utter B.S. and this one ESPN article does nothing to contradict that.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight
For those who voted " yes " to this poll here .....



Sorry conspiracy buffs, a loss sometimes is just a loss

oooh. An OP-ED piece that says the same exact crap that has been said in this thread. big freakin' deal.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: kranky
On that 15-yard penalty on Hasselbeck during the interception return - wasn't he flagged for hitting a BLOCKER low, and not for the tackle?

I know I've seen that called in other games.

Yes, that's what he was called for, but he hit the blocker in a failed attempt the tackle the ball carrier.
That's why it was a bad call...but either way, the Steelers still had the ball.

it wasn't the only bad call.

again, if it were 3 bad calls over the course of the game, then no big deal. it was 3 bad calls in 4 plays.

that is a HUGE momentum swing.

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: MidasKnight
For those who voted " yes " to this poll here .....



Sorry conspiracy buffs, a loss sometimes is just a loss

oooh. An OP-ED piece that says the same exact crap that has been said in this thread. big freakin' deal.

You mean just like the " OP-ED " articles that say the same exact crap that the Seahawks were jobbed by the refs in this game? ..lol and do any of these " OP-ED " articles that say the refs sucked with the calls claim that " the fix " was in for the Steelers ? ...



Well if you really feel that the fix was in, then don't support the NFL in anyway from here on. Period. This Super Bowl will be remembered for sure down the road ... but not for the bad play both teams showed .. it?ll be remembered for the crying that went on and the poor sportsmanship the Seattle coaching staff showed.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: MidasKnight
For those who voted " yes " to this poll here .....



Sorry conspiracy buffs, a loss sometimes is just a loss

oooh. An OP-ED piece that says the same exact crap that has been said in this thread. big freakin' deal.

You mean just like the " OP-ED " articles that say the same exact crap that the Seahawks were jobbed by the refs in this game? ..lol and do any of these " OP-ED " articles that say the refs sucked with the calls claim that " the fix " was in for the Steelers ? ...



Well if you really feel that the fix was in, then don't support the NFL in anyway from here on. Period. This Super Bowl will be remembered for sure down the road ... but not for the bad play both teams showed .. it?ll be remembered for the crying that went on and the poor sportsmanship the Seattle coaching staff showed.

seems more likely it'll be remembered for the poor officiating

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: kranky
On that 15-yard penalty on Hasselbeck during the interception return - wasn't he flagged for hitting a BLOCKER low, and not for the tackle?

I know I've seen that called in other games.

Yes, that's what he was called for, but he hit the blocker in a failed attempt the tackle the ball carrier.
That's why it was a bad call...but either way, the Steelers still had the ball.

it wasn't the only bad call.

again, if it were 3 bad calls over the course of the game, then no big deal. it was 3 bad calls in 4 plays.

that is a HUGE momentum swing.

Not really. Not like it was 3 bad calls in 4 consecutive plays. There are always 3-4 bad calls in every single game. And lots of times they all go against one team.
But all the bad calls in this game did NOT go against Seattle.
The "incomplete pass" which was really a fumble by the Seattle receiver comes to mind.

You can't say the Big Ben TD was a "momentum swing", because they were going to go for it on 4th down. Odds are, they would have made it anyway. But if they don't, and kick the easy FG, fine....they Steelers have 4 less points. They still win by 7.

Bottom line, officiating good or bad, the Steelers won the game by making crucial plays when they had to.
Seattle had several chances to make similar plays, and could not.

Officiating was bad, but did not alter the outcome.

 

[ijester]

Most of the dweebs on here just don't get it. There was no conspiracy, just bad officiating.

And the game could have been completely different.

If they don't call that ticky-tack interference on Darryn Jackson - Touchdown Seahawks.
If they don't call the nonexistent hold it would have been 1st and goal Seahawks at the 1-2 yard line. Another Touchdown.
No catch call on the catch and fumble by Stevens - ball went out of bounds anyways.
Not to mention that the interception thrown by Hasselbeck was after they took away the 1st and goal catch, then the Steelers drove the field and scored. That wouldn't have happened.

That is a lot of difference in the game. And up until the Hawks started getting jobbed by lame penalties, they were completely dominating the game. Offense, Defense, you name it. The penalties took them out of sync, and they never got it back.

 

[Row1and]

I thought the refs did a bad job. very bad job.,

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: kranky
On that 15-yard penalty on Hasselbeck during the interception return - wasn't he flagged for hitting a BLOCKER low, and not for the tackle?

I know I've seen that called in other games.

Yes, that's what he was called for, but he hit the blocker in a failed attempt the tackle the ball carrier.
That's why it was a bad call...but either way, the Steelers still had the ball.

it wasn't the only bad call.

again, if it were 3 bad calls over the course of the game, then no big deal. it was 3 bad calls in 4 plays.

that is a HUGE momentum swing.

Not really. Not like it was 3 bad calls in 4 consecutive plays. There are always 3-4 bad calls in every single game. And lots of times they all go against one team.
But all the bad calls in this game did NOT go against Seattle.
The "incomplete pass" which was really a fumble by the Seattle receiver comes to mind.

You can't say the Big Ben TD was a "momentum swing", because they were going to go for it on 4th down. Odds are, they would have made it anyway. But if they don't, and kick the easy FG, fine....they Steelers have 4 less points. They still win by 7.

Bottom line, officiating good or bad, the Steelers won the game by making crucial plays when they had to.
Seattle had several chances to make similar plays, and could not.

Officiating was bad, but did not alter the outcome.

it was 3 bad or questionable calls in 4 plays. 1 Holding to bring back catch on the 1 yd line , 2 obvious miss on Horse Collar by Porter of Alexander, 3, int that call on hasselbeck (low block) was just a joke.

one of those calls could have had people thinking, all 3 in the same series of downs is just devastating.

also, WHERE in my post that you quoted did i mention ben's TD?? oh ya i didn't.

 

[V00DOO]

Thanks to the refs, the Steelers covered.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
it was 3 bad or questionable calls in 4 plays. 1 Holding to bring back catch on the 1 yd line , 2 obvious miss on Horse Collar by Porter of Alexander, 3, int that call on hasselbeck (low block) was just a joke.

one of those calls could have had people thinking, all 3 in the same series of downs is just devastating.

also, WHERE in my post that you quoted did i mention ben's TD?? oh ya i didn't.

Horse collar tackle is not illegal. You are the only person that I've seen mention it. Nobody in the press has at all.
The calll on Hasselbeck was wrong, and I agreed, but made no difference....it wouldn't have reversed the INT...Steelers still had the ball regardless. So it wasn't a game-changer by any means.
The holding was maybe questionable, but not completely bogus. The call that all the time.
Same with the pushoff in the endzone on Seattle. It was, by the book, offensive pass interference, right in front of the official.
And I threw Ben's TD in there because that's what everybody is talking about.

Oh, and the fumble by the Seattle receiver that was called an incomplete pass....completely wrong...he caught the ball, took two steps forward and dropped it. Steelers recovered. That was one of the worst calls of the game.

Again, even though there was some questionable officiating in this game, the Steelers still won it fair and square by making plays when they had to.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
it was 3 bad or questionable calls in 4 plays. 1 Holding to bring back catch on the 1 yd line , 2 obvious miss on Horse Collar by Porter of Alexander, 3, int that call on hasselbeck (low block) was just a joke.

one of those calls could have had people thinking, all 3 in the same series of downs is just devastating.

also, WHERE in my post that you quoted did i mention ben's TD?? oh ya i didn't.

Horse collar tackle is not illegal. You are the only person that I've seen mention it. Nobody in the press has at all.
The calll on Hasselbeck was wrong, and I agreed, but made no difference....it wouldn't have reversed the INT...Steelers still had the ball regardless. So it wasn't a game-changer by any means.
The holding was maybe questionable, but not completely bogus. The call that all the time.
Same with the pushoff in the endzone on Seattle. It was, by the book, offensive pass interference, right in front of the official.
And I threw Ben's TD in there because that's what everybody is talking about.

Oh, and the fumble by the Seattle receiver that was called an incomplete pass....completely wrong...he caught the ball, took two steps forward and dropped it. Steelers recovered. That was one of the worst calls of the game.

Again, even though there was some questionable officiating in this game, the Steelers still won it fair and square by making plays when they had to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_season


and you just haven't been listening to sports radio. almost everyone has mentioned it and has commented on it, at least the sports station around here. all of them agree the porter tackle of alexander in that series of plays was textbook horse collar and an illegal play. if you are going to make bogus calls like that hold on the play before than you HAVE to call that horse collar.

 

[Mermaidman]

bias? LOL!

 

[eits]

biased as hell.

 

[BillyBatson]

yups, very bad reffing

 

[JYDog]

Casual Seahawks fan who wanted a Seattle win but also wanted a good Steelers to team to show up(honestly) and watch a great game for the record and for the Superbowl.

Poor/weak calls. Seahawks momentum and gameplan shot down by refs.
Seattle had their way with Steelers Defense. Seattle for the most part of the game shackled the Steelers Offense. Seattle could have plays better and more professional in key moments, so what, teams are allowed to make mistakes. Seattle had a awesome game plan, Steelers bliz didn't work, Steelers couldn't stop Seattle from marching down the field with passed and little runs by Alex.. Where were the calls on the Steelers? If the refs brought a microscope into this game, why was the calls more evenly spread amoung the two teams? I think the refs allowed the fans(mostly for Steelers)vigor and euphoria for the home team to dictate their judgment. This is lame because its not supposed to happen in a SB game.

But please, anyone who says Seahawks should have caught those passes or should have played like their true form are just missing it. I won't even bother to elaborate, its that simple to understand what odds the Seahawks were up against...

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: JYDog
Casual Seahawks fan who wanted a Seattle win but also wanted a good Steelers to team to show up(honestly) and watch a great game for the record and for the Superbowl.

Poor/weak calls. Seahawks momentum and gameplan shot down by refs.
Seattle had their way with Steelers Defense. Seattle for the most part of the game shackled the Steelers Offense. Seattle could have plays better and more professional in key moments, so what, teams are allowed to make mistakes. Seattle had a awesome game plan, Steelers bliz didn't work, Steelers couldn't stop Seattle from marching down the field with passed and little runs by Alex.. Where were the calls on the Steelers? If the refs brought a microscope into this game, why was the calls more evenly spread amoung the two teams? I think the refs allowed the fans(mostly for Steelers)vigor and euphoria for the home team to dictate their judgment. This is lame because its not supposed to happen in a SB game.

But please, anyone who says Seahawks should have caught those passes or should have played like their true form are just missing it. I won't even bother to elaborate, its that simple to understand what odds the Seahawks were up against...

So Seattle's total inability to run the ball made no difference.

So Seattle's multiple drive-killing dropped passed made no difference.

So Seattle's inability to make FG's made no difference.

So Seattles getting an uncharacteristic amount of penalties made no difference....and don't tell me that they didn't get a lot of legit penalties that they usually don't get.

None of that killed any of their momentum?

Look, the PI call in the endzone definitely was a momentum shifter. But it was a legit, by-the-book call.

The holding call probably deflated them a bit.

But that's it. The call on Hasslebeck didn't hurt Seattle's momentum any...Pittsburgh already had the ball...the bad pass by Hasslebeck is what killed momentum there.

Again, the Steelers completely shut down Seattle's running game, and Seattle was basically unable to move the ball in the red zone. They moved it between the 20's fine, but you can't stop there.
Jeramy Stevens dropped 3 critical passes. One was really a fumble that the Steelers recovered....don't see anyone complaining about the refs missing that one.

Again, I agree that there was some bad reffing in this game, as there had been all season, but luckily, it didn't cost either team the game.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: JYDog
Casual Seahawks fan who wanted a Seattle win but also wanted a good Steelers to team to show up(honestly) and watch a great game for the record and for the Superbowl.

Poor/weak calls. Seahawks momentum and gameplan shot down by refs.
Seattle had their way with Steelers Defense. Seattle for the most part of the game shackled the Steelers Offense. Seattle could have plays better and more professional in key moments, so what, teams are allowed to make mistakes. Seattle had a awesome game plan, Steelers bliz didn't work, Steelers couldn't stop Seattle from marching down the field with passed and little runs by Alex.. Where were the calls on the Steelers? If the refs brought a microscope into this game, why was the calls more evenly spread amoung the two teams? I think the refs allowed the fans(mostly for Steelers)vigor and euphoria for the home team to dictate their judgment. This is lame because its not supposed to happen in a SB game.

But please, anyone who says Seahawks should have caught those passes or should have played like their true form are just missing it. I won't even bother to elaborate, its that simple to understand what odds the Seahawks were up against...

So Seattle's total inability to run the ball made no difference.

So Seattle's multiple drive-killing dropped passed made no difference.

So Seattle's inability to make FG's made no difference.

So Seattles getting an uncharacteristic amount of penalties made no difference....and don't tell me that they didn't get a lot of legit penalties that they usually don't get.

None of that killed any of their momentum?

Look, the PI call in the endzone definitely was a momentum shifter. But it was a legit, by-the-book call.

The holding call probably deflated them a bit.

But that's it. The call on Hasslebeck didn't hurt Seattle's momentum any...Pittsburgh already had the ball...the bad pass by Hasslebeck is what killed momentum there.

Again, the Steelers completely shut down Seattle's running game, and Seattle was basically unable to move the ball in the red zone. They moved it between the 20's fine, but you can't stop there.
Jeramy Stevens dropped 3 critical passes. One was really a fumble that the Steelers recovered....don't see anyone complaining about the refs missing that one.

Again, I agree that there was some bad reffing in this game, as there had been all season, but luckily, it didn't cost either team the game.

IF there had been 2 calls to go against the steelers, both of which could have been called (there is an offensive hold on every play) a hold on the steelers for the pass to ward by randel el and the 75 yrd run, then guess what, the steelers would have lost.

this was a game decided as much by the officials as the players on the field.