Who Wins Super Bowl LIV?

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BudAshes

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Should have been played on a larger field.

An NFL field is 100 by 53 1/3 yards with a midfield line at 50 yards. A CFL field is 110 by 65 yards with the midfield line at 55 yards. The end zones are different lengths as well. The CFL has an end zone that is 20 yards deep.


Good point, CFL is way more popular than the NFL, I'm sure they would know best.
 
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Muse

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Jul 11, 2001
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Aha, so poll was a wash.

The game.... I turned it off 4 seconds before the last Chiefs' score. Devastating. I'm in recovery mode. Maybe I'll stick with soccer, AKA futball.
 
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Should have been played on a larger field.

An NFL field is 100 by 53 1/3 yards with a midfield line at 50 yards. A CFL field is 110 by 65 yards with the midfield line at 55 yards. The end zones are different lengths as well. The CFL has an end zone that is 20 yards deep.

That might actually work to help do something about Mahomes. Gives other teams more field to chew time up with.
 

manly

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Yea, he was very good for a few seasons. I think he could still be a competent QB if he could stay away from injuries. I actually thought the Ravens made a mistake to trade him, but Jackson was phenomenal.
LMAO Joe Flacco was never ever "very good" for a season.
He was sensational for one playoffs run though.
 

brainhulk

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I'm glad KC won, but I thought the game was in the bag already for niners in the beginning of the 4th quarter because I thought their constant 6 yrd runs would not leave enough time. Then SF started passing more...Mahomes went off..and yeah. Another heartbreaking loss for Shanahan jr
 
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Ajay

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I'm glad KC won, but I thought the game was in the bag already for niners in the beginning of the 4th quarter because I thought their constant 6 yrd runs would not leave enough time. Then SF started passing more...Mahomes went off..and yeah. Another heartbreaking loss for Shanahan jr
Yup, looked allot like a Patriots SB drive.
 

ondma

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Went pretty much as I expected. SF could not keep running the ball like they had in the 2 previous playoffs, so Jimmy G needed to step up. He played decently, but certainly did not dominate when the game was on the line. Having that long pass to Kelsey called back certainly hurt, but it was a legitimate (if somewhat ticky/tacky) call.

Mahomes didnt have a great game (for him at least), but he has so much talent that for sure he will make a few great plays over the course of a game, and in this case SF didnt keep pace, and it was enough to win.
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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Well, it ended up being a great game. SF was in charge pretty much up until those last ~5 minutes--probably the longest anyone has managed to contain Majomes, so I'm glad to see that they stuck to their gameplan throughout as it was working so effectively.

I think Jimmy G saw himself under so much pressure because they went into that play-to-win mindset, which is great, but I think they should have kept the ball in the backfield as they had been doing. For them, that's not playing not-to-loss--that's their game. Anyway, still more on SF D and Majomes taking over at the end.

Very few punts in the game, and both teams were playing as well as they've played all year...though Majomes wasn't all that sharp until the very end.
Not sure what game you watched, but the 49ers were not in the "play to win" mode at all. Hell Kyle Shanahan flat out said they didn't use timeouts at the end of the first half because they were scared of KC getting the ball back with seconds left.

They were playing not to lose. But it was also weird that in the later part of the game they went away from everything that had been working for them the entire season, by putting the ball in Jimmy G's hands.

And then we saw Jimmy G have to put the team on his back and miss a wide open receiver that would have put them in the lead. Dude is very average right now. He may get better but he is absolutely average.
 

Muse

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Jul 11, 2001
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Not sure what game you watched, but the 49ers were not in the "play to win" mode at all. Hell Kyle Shanahan flat out said they didn't use timeouts at the end of the first half because they were scared of KC getting the ball back with seconds left.

They were playing not to lose. But it was also weird that in the later part of the game they went away from everything that had been working for them the entire season, by putting the ball in Jimmy G's hands.

And then we saw Jimmy G have to put the team on his back and miss a wide open receiver that would have put them in the lead. Dude is very average right now. He may get better but he is absolutely average.
49ers looked less than stellar at the end, guess it was from about the midpoint of the 4th quarter. Yeah, that pass over the top down the middle that Jimmy G overthrew by 5 yards was stunningly terrible compared with the pass at the end of the 2nd quarter to Kittle (who was called for offensive pass interference on the play). Shanahan obviously should have called his 1st timeout with ~90 seconds to go in the 2nd quarter, just about to receive the ball. They showed John Lynch signalling T from his luxury box urgently (although probably nobody in the stadium saw that, only people watching on TV!), it was clearly his thinking. I thought that head coaches have underlings who manage when to call timeouts. The situations are often complex and they should have rules when to call T, when not to. Maybe they don't/didn't have that kind of thing in place.

The ending was eerie. I hate it when a team that's leading, has dominated the game gets tracked down and conquered... well, especially when I'm rooting for the opposite. I never thought for a second that the 49ers had it in the bag. But Jimmy G absolutely was outplaying Mahomes through the first 3 quarters. He was IIRC 20/24 at one point. To me the end was sickening.

I read an article that suggested that the calls were going against the 49ers, particularly at the end. I'd wondered about that, truthfully. A little home cooking for the Chiefs and Ried.
 

purbeast0

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Anyone outplaying Mahomes through the first 3 quarters isn't saying much. Go look at what his stats were. It may have been his worst 3 straight quarters in his entire career.
 

Muse

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Anyone outplaying Mahomes through the first 3 quarters isn't saying much. Go look at what his stats were. It may have been his worst 3 straight quarters in his entire career.
Yet he won the MVP. They announced quite a while before he started the comeback that MVP voting was available, evidently it's by virtue of fan voting. I guess most of the votes must have come at the end. I didn't stick around to see the last touchdown call.
 

purbeast0

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Yet he won the MVP. They announced quite a while before he started the comeback that MVP voting was available, evidently it's by virtue of fan voting. I guess most of the votes must have come at the end. I didn't stick around to see the last touchdown call.
Of course he won the MVP. He lead them to 21 unanswered points in like 9 minutes, starting with the 3rd and 15 where he was nearly sacked and found a wide open receiver for 44 yards to start the run.

I really have no clue what him sucking in the first 3 quarters of the game has to do with him having arguably one of the best quarters in Super Bowl history. Without him, that 4th quarter would not have happened, hence why he is the most valuable player.
 

Muse

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Of course he won the MVP. He lead them to 21 unanswered points in like 9 minutes, starting with the 3rd and 15 where he was nearly sacked and found a wide open receiver for 44 yards to start the run.

I really have no clue what him sucking in the first 3 quarters of the game has to do with him having arguably one of the best quarters in Super Bowl history. Without him, that 4th quarter would not have happened, hence why he is the most valuable player.
I figured it had to be him. I did wonder, though. Through the first 3 quarters it seemed to me the MVP was Deebo Samuel.

That 44 yard completion didn't impress me particularly, I think it was Hill and he was wide open, no defender within 5 yards. Mahomes flung the ball up there and Hill grabbed it, nothing special. Problem for the 49ers was they couldn't always get pressure on Mahomes fast enough.
 

purbeast0

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I figured it had to be him. I did wonder, though. Through the first 3 quarters it seemed to me the MVP was Deebo Samuel.

That 44 yard completion didn't impress me particularly, I think it was Hill and he was wide open, no defender within 5 yards. Mahomes flung the ball up there and Hill grabbed it, nothing special. Problem for the 49ers was they couldn't always get pressure on Mahomes fast enough.
Uh what? They were pressuring the shit out of him all game and that is exactly why he had a bad first 3 quarters.

Would you have been impressed if Jimmy G hit the dude who was wide open to take the lead?
 

zinfamous

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Not sure what game you watched, but the 49ers were not in the "play to win" mode at all. Hell Kyle Shanahan flat out said they didn't use timeouts at the end of the first half because they were scared of KC getting the ball back with seconds left.

They were playing not to lose. But it was also weird that in the later part of the game they went away from everything that had been working for them the entire season, by putting the ball in Jimmy G's hands.

And then we saw Jimmy G have to put the team on his back and miss a wide open receiver that would have put them in the lead. Dude is very average right now. He may get better but he is absolutely average.

what I mean was that they abandoned their run game at the end, which at that time, puts them in "play to win" e.g: most teams will run the clock out on the ground, just play possession, which in the modern game, means abandoning the pass. opting not to score quickly. ...this is the reverse of SF's game, and the morons abandoned their actual winning strategy by going with "play to win," even though that isn't their game.

Sticking to their game would be the generic "play not-to-lose;" but pounding the ball is their game. I have no idea why they abandoned it at the end. It made no sense, especially as KC had shown already that Garappolo still wasn't very effective holding the ball.

So, it's like you said (bolded), which is exactly what I said. They were "playing not to lose" by adopting what is universally accepted as the "playing to win" across the NFL....because they abandoned their skillset. It made no sense.
 

Muse

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what I mean was that they abandoned their run game at the end, which at that time, puts them in "play to win" e.g: most teams will run the clock out on the ground, just play possession, which in the modern game, means abandoning the pass. opting not to score quickly. ...this is the reverse of SF's game, and the morons abandoned their actual winning strategy by going with "play to win," even though that isn't their game.

Sticking to their game would be the generic "play not-to-lose;" but pounding the ball is their game. I have no idea why they abandoned it at the end. It made no sense, especially as KC had shown already that Garappolo still wasn't very effective holding the ball.

So, it's like you said (bolded), which is exactly what I said. They were "playing not to lose" by adopting what is universally accepted as the "playing to win" across the NFL....because they abandoned their skillset. It made no sense.
What I think the 9ers did made sense. They realized that the Chiefs would key on the run if they let them, so they had Jimmy G pass pretty frequently and not just run the ball. He was having great success doing that because the linebackers were paying so much attention to the play action run option. 10+ yard completions, lots of them and many to pretty open receivers. And Jimmy was mostly pretty accurate with those. 4th quarter, what happened? Well, I think the Chiefs defense stepped up and forced punts. Chris Jones batting down passes was huge. Jimmy holds onto the ball too long many times. That allowed those batted balls. A guy like Brady knows where his checkdowns are. Jimmy didn't learn that. Well, I'm sure he did, but he isn't quick enough in his reads. Hopefully, that will come easier for him. My thoughts.

Of course, playing not to lose sucks. Protecting a lead sucks. Especially against the Chiefs as we saw through the playoffs.
 

zinfamous

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What I think the 9ers did made sense. They realized that the Chiefs would key on the run if they let them, so they had Jimmy G pass pretty frequently and not just run the ball. He was having great success doing that because the linebackers were paying so much attention to the play action run option. 10+ yard completions, lots of them and many to pretty open receivers. And Jimmy was mostly pretty accurate with those. 4th quarter, what happened? Well, I think the Chiefs defense stepped up and forced punts. Chris Jones batting down passes was huge. Jimmy holds onto the ball too long many times. That allowed those batted balls. A guy like Brady knows where his checkdowns are. Jimmy didn't learn that. Well, I'm sure he did, but he isn't quick enough in his reads. Hopefully, that will come easier for him. My thoughts.

Of course, playing not to lose sucks. Protecting a lead sucks. Especially against the Chiefs as we saw through the playoffs.

No, it doesn't make sense. They were dominating all game at the line. They were pounding the ball up KC's throats. Then they abandoned it. It's stupid. It's almost as dumb as calling a pass at the 1 yard line when you have 3 downs and enough time on the clock to hand it to Marshawn Lynch on all those possible attempts to win the Super Bowl. When you continue to have success while doing exactly what everyone expects you to do, you know they can't stop you. The dumb thing is to start doing the things that you know haven't been successful.

SF was designed as a ball possession team, and they succeeded all season +3 qrtrs of the Superbowl doing that. When they have success passing, it's play action, bootlegs, mostly within 15 yards to Kittle or...Kittle.
 

Ajay

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No, it doesn't make sense. They were dominating all game at the line. They were pounding the ball up KC's throats. Then they abandoned it. It's stupid. It's almost as dumb as calling a pass at the 1 yard line when you have 3 downs and enough time on the clock to hand it to Marshawn Lynch on all those possible attempts to win the Super Bowl. When you continue to have success while doing exactly what everyone expects you to do, you know they can't stop you. The dumb thing is to start doing the things that you know haven't been successful.

SF was designed as a ball possession team, and they succeeded all season +3 qrtrs of the Superbowl doing that. When they have success passing, it's play action, bootlegs, mostly within 15 yards to Kittle or...Kittle.
Mahomes was like a lost puppy for the first 3 qtrs with the 49ers D crushing it. The 49ers changed up their game in the last quarter (why?). Reid knew what to do and didn't hesitate, Mahomes was up to the challenge and KC D did their job wrt 49ers O (and JG in particular): Game over. The offensive and defensive coaches deserve a shout out as well.
 

brainhulk

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Wasn't Garrapalo a decent qb before his bonehead injury? I thought I remember him lighting it up. What happened to him? Or am I delusional?
 

purbeast0

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LOL @ the Vikings on that graph. That Kirk Cousins contract is going to come back to bite them in the ass, as pretty much everyone (at least in DC) knew.
 

glenn1

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LOL @ the Vikings on that graph. That Kirk Cousins contract is going to come back to bite them in the ass, as pretty much everyone (at least in DC) knew.

<shrug> he's a slight upgrade over JimmyG and in the class of "very good but not elite QBs". Basically better than all but the top 3-5 QBs in the league. Yeah his contract is brutal but the 'Skins would be a better team with him right now. Niners almost won a SB with JimmyG who is perhaps a notch below Cousins so that shows you can win with someone like Cousins also. Not like Cousins had an amazing game in the playoff loss to the Niners but it was really the Vikes running game that stunk up the joint (Dalvin cook 9 attempts for 18 yards and 0 TD).

If anything the team I'd be concerned about on that chart is the Steelers. If Big Ben doesn't come back then they're fvcked. They still likely are because they need a WR1 who's better than JuJu and depth on both D and O lines. They'd probably be better to dump Big Ben ($33.5 million cap hit) and sign Andy Dalton who would be much cheaper and perhaps not much worse in performance at this point in their careers. They could use the cap savings to shore up their other holes since they gave away their 1st round pick in the trade for Minkah Fitzpatrick (stupid for a team going nowhere last season with Big Ben on the shelf).
 
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