Who Won the Debate?

[bozack]

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Mitt dominated in this one....team O will truly have to step up their game next time


Thanks. I'm at work. A "NSFW" & link would have been a lot better than embedding that image. -Admin DrPizza

 

[sportage]

Mitt dominated in this one....team O will truly have to step up their game next time

As a political cartoonist myself, I can appreciate that.

 

[JoeyP]

When asked about the role of the government, Obama rambled on, while Romney referenced the constitution. Also, Romney's closer was very TIGHT and well articulated.

 

[sportage]

I don't know. Obama is way too smart for this, so I now wonder if Obama has a plan?
If Obama blew this first debate on purpose? The ammo on Obama's part was obvious, like the bail out of the auto industry where Mitt wanted them to go bankrupt. But Obama said nothing of this. And said nothing about so many issues.
So I have to wonder... was this his plan?
Just what is he up to?
This was more than poor performance from Obama. He knows better.
Just what is he up to?
Stay tuned....

 

[diesbudt]

I don't know about a plan, or care who won. But I believe if Obama had something correct to zing Romney on, he would have. My bet is a lot of the things people here at AT: P&N hear for both for and against each party are hearsays, lies, partial lies, or misinformation taken out of context.

But each person is going to believe what is good for the party he supports, and each person is going to dissagree what is bad for the party he/she supports.

I think Obama tried sticking closer to the truth, and since he had no real zingers on romney (because a lot of the bad we have heard about Romney is at least a partial lie) while Romney took any lies about the Obama administration and used it as ammo.

I think that is the difference, and why obama seemed weak in this debate.

(aka Obama tried using cold hard logic in politics. Never a good idea. Lie with passion!)

 

[squirrel dog]

yeah,stay tuned for a one term loser trying to defend four years of failure.

 

[Jeffg010]

I don't know. Obama is way too smart for this, so I now wonder if Obama has a plan?
If Obama blew this first debate on purpose? The ammo on Obama's part was obvious, like the bail out of the auto industry where Mitt wanted them to go bankrupt. But Obama said nothing of this. And said nothing about so many issues.
So I have to wonder... was this his plan?
Just what is he up to?
This was more than poor performance from Obama. He knows better.
Just what is he up to?
Stay tuned....

Damn dude you seem to be grasping at every straw out there. You need to get over the fact that Obama got his ass kicked. You can't wrap your head around what just happen last night.

 

[dank69]

Obama looke woefully underprepared. Couldn't keep his responses under 5 minutes, let alone 2 minutes. He didn't address most of the whoppers that everyone knew were coming from Romney. He just let them slide, almost like he wasn't paying attention or couldn't concentrate or something. Romney deflected like a champ:

And this is where there's a difference, because Governor Romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut -- on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts -- that's another trillion dollars -- and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. ...

First of all, I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don't have a tax cut of a scale that you're talking about. ...

Now, Governor Romney's proposal that he has been promoting for 18 months calls for a $5 trillion tax cut, on top of $2 trillion of additional spending for our military. And he is saying that he is going to pay for it by closing loopholes and deductions. The problem is that he's been asked over 100 times how you would close those deductions and loopholes, and he hasn't been able to identify them. ... When you add up all the loopholes and deductions that upper-income individuals can -- are currently taking advantage of, you take those all away, you don't come close to paying for $5 trillion in tax cuts and $2 trillion in additional military spending.

So if the tax plan he described were a tax plan I was asked to support, I'd say absolutely not. I'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. What I've said is I won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. That's part one. So there's no economist that can say Mitt Romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if I say I will not add to the deficit with my tax plan.

That $5 trillion is true. The reduction in rates that Romney proposes would be $5T. Obama had a real chance to nail Romeny to the wall here. All he had to do was cite the 20% reduction in tax rates across the board along with the other proposed reductions that anyone can read in black and white on Romney's website. Romney claims he can make that up by closing loopholes. Obama didn't make it crystal clear that the reductions = $5T and that Romney can't make up that loss by closing loopholes. He tried, but failed at making that point.

This is just one out of many missed chances Obama had to hoist Romney by his own petard. I don't know if he just thought this was going to be easy and didn't prepare, or if he was distracted, or something else entirely. But it was a fail, and a pretty bad one at that. :thumbsdown:

 

[Blackjack200]

This is just one out of many missed chances Obama had to hoist Romney by his own petard. I don't know if he just thought this was going to be easy and didn't prepare, or if he was distracted, or something else entirely. But it was a fail, and a pretty bad one at that. :thumbsdown:

All he had to do was go back at Romney and ask him which loopholes and deductions he was going to eliminate.

'Mr. Govornor, two of the biggest tax deductions are the mortgage interest deduction and the earned income tax credit. I certainly hope that you are not targeting those. If not, can you elaborate on which loopholes and deductions are going to pay for a $5 trillion tax cut that favors the wealthy? Our moderator has asked us for specifics so I hope you can provide them.'

EASY! I was tearing my hair out.

I think he was either distracted or trying to draw Romney out and get him to overextend himself.. One thing I would say is that with the economy still in such bad shape, it's very hard for him to come out swinging, he was extremely defensive, but I think he took it a bit too far. I think we'll see a bit more fire from him in the next debate, but I'm sure damage has been done.

 

[Thump553]

I must have watched a different debate than the pundits (I deliberately watch it on CSPAN and turn the tube off immediately at the end in order to avoid the pundits and form my own thoughts). My thoughts:

1) Romney's mannerisms drove me crazy-from his strobe-like eyeblinking to his constant movement, especially bobbing his head up and down.

2) Frankly I think Obama did some very clear explanations and destroyed Romney on certain issues-the $714B Medicare cut Romney alleged (over and over) especially.

3) Obama let too many of Romney's flat out lies slide, but I think that was a tactical decision-a debate is the time to aggressively push the positives of your program. Unless a misrepresentation can be clearly exposed in one or two sentences, let it go and hammer it later in followup speeches and commercials.

4) Things I wish Obama did: (a) most importantly, why doesn't he run against (the GOP) Congress? Obama is criticized for being unable to reach agreement with partisan wackadoodles. I'm sick of Romney et al blaming Obama for the sequestration-a solution required by the GOP Congress because of their unreasonable stubborness on the debt ceiling manufactured crisis. Obama should be emulating Truman and run against a do nothing Congress (even worse now than in 1984). Blaming Washington gridlock on the sane party in the game is absurd.

5) Where were all the fabled Romney zingers? Obama got off a couple of understated, rather droll ones but nothing good from Romney.

 

[soulcougher73]

 

[zsdersw]

The American people won as this just might be the point where the country turns from an unsustainable socialist entitlement course toward an entrepreneurial market driven dynamism.

And you can now say that you were there when the wake up call came.

Soaring rhetoric. Reminds me of the "hope and change" from 2008.

If this election is about removing Obama more than it is about electing Romney, I'm sorry, but no... we're going to be just as screwed no matter who wins.

 

[dank69]

I thought the debate itself was pretty evenly-matched. Mitt was on top of the numbers (whether they be bullshit or not) and quick with rebuttals. Obama seemed the "practical" candidate this year; a stark contrast from last cycle. Both over-talked the moderator and seemed pretty arrogant.

Maybe it's just me, but Romney's "plans" just seemed desperate. Everything Obama said he was going to do or had done, Romney is going to "do it better." He's going to repeal Obamacare, but keep all the parts people like. Oh, *and* increase Medicare funding, to boot.

He was in full-on salesman mode. Everything you could possibly want, all for $19.95. But wait! Vote now and he'll even lower taxes for all middle-class Americans! He doesn't even know how he can afford this! Hurry and vote now!

I must have watched a different debate than the pundits (I deliberately watch it on CSPAN and turn the tube off immediately at the end in order to avoid the pundits and form my own thoughts). My thoughts:

1) Romney's mannerisms drove me crazy-from his strobe-like eyeblinking to his constant movement, especially bobbing his head up and down.

2) Frankly I think Obama did some very clear explanations and destroyed Romney on certain issues-the $714B Medicare cut Romney alleged (over and over) especially.

3) Obama let too many of Romney's flat out lies slide, but I think that was a tactical decision-a debate is the time to aggressively push the positives of your program. Unless a misrepresentation can be clearly exposed in one or two sentences, let it go and hammer it later in followup speeches and commercials.

4) Things I wish Obama did: (a) most importantly, why doesn't he run against (the GOP) Congress? Obama is criticized for being unable to reach agreement with partisan wackadoodles. I'm sick of Romney et al blaming Obama for the sequestration-a solution required by the GOP Congress because of their unreasonable stubborness on the debt ceiling manufactured crisis. Obama should be emulating Truman and run against a do nothing Congress (even worse now than in 1984). Blaming Washington gridlock on the sane party in the game is absurd.

5) Where were all the fabled Romney zingers? Obama got off a couple of understated, rather droll ones but nothing good from Romney.

I think you guys forget that you are much more informed than the average American. You knew the lies when you saw them but most people watching the debates didn't and may never know.

 

[Blackjack200]

4) Things I wish Obama did: (a) most importantly, why doesn't he run against (the GOP) Congress? Obama is criticized for being unable to reach agreement with partisan wackadoodles. I'm sick of Romney et al blaming Obama for the sequestration-a solution required by the GOP Congress because of their unreasonable stubborness on the debt ceiling manufactured crisis. Obama should be emulating Truman and run against a do nothing Congress (even worse now than in 1984). Blaming Washington gridlock on the sane party in the game is absurd.

I think he's afraid of sounding petulant. When Romney was criticizing him for not cooperating with congress on the Affordable Care Act, everyone in the room knew the truth about how that Republican Party behaved, but Obama can't say "but they won't compromise on anything!" because it just makes him sound weak.

5) Where were all the fabled Romney zingers? Obama got off a couple of understated, rather droll ones but nothing good from Romney.

One zinger was when he referred to Obama's plan as "trickle down government". I'm sure Spidey busted a nut on that one.

 

[soulcougher73]

I dont know about you guys, but being lied to repeatedly by the 2 so called "best people" to run this country on stage in the national spot light sure doesnt sit well with me. To each their own though. Go sheeple go.

 

[PingSpike]

I stopped watching the debates after the last one when I noticed the moderators never called them out on dodging questions or making shit up. What is the point? Its just an advertising space. Was this one any different?

 

[zsdersw]

The Status Quo is the only winner from last night... and will be the only winner after the election. Everyone else is screwed.

 

[xj0hnx]

Watching closing statements right now, Obama doesn't even look like he believes the BS he's putting out. Romney has that kind of goofy, awkward manner, but he did at least put some conviction into his statements, almost as if he won't change position on them within the hour.

If I had to pick a winner, it's Romney, though I wouldn't say so much that Romney won, as Obama lost.

 

[lowrider69]

Which puppet won? Who cares, we lost.

 

[OutHouse]

holy crap the poll numbers on this thread shock me.

112 for mit

12 for obama.

for this board to vote like that, its clear mitt trounced Obama.

this morning news has been blasting Obama all morning. i heard one commentator say that Obama was worse than Bob Dole. Some commentators are saying they have never seen a sitting president get demolished as bad as Obama did.

FYI i listen to both sides, XM radio has a plethora of news stations to listen to.

 

[jackstar7]

holy crap the poll numbers on this thread shock me.

112 for mit

12 for obama.

for this board to vote like that, its clear mitt trounced Obama.

I'll be very curious to see a poll after the next couple, too. If Obama has a great night will we see similar voting, or will the anti-Obama be unnable to admit it...

Though the president has to actually perform for this experiment to happen... so we'll see.

 

[Greenman]

What happened to our extreme left contingent? I keep reading this looking for all the reasons why Obama really won, or why Obama hates himself and allowed Mitt to bend him over like that.

 

[palehorse]

Obvious answer is obvious...

What's 1+1?

 

[zsdersw]

What happened to our extreme left contingent? I keep reading this looking for all the reasons why Obama really won, or why Obama hates himself and allowed Mitt to bend him over like that.

As an aside, I find your sig to be very apropos... and as applicable to Romney as it is to Obama. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Hope that Romney will fix things isn't a strategy
Change in who occupies the Oval Office isn't a destination

 

[dank69]

What happened to our extreme left contingent? I keep reading this looking for all the reasons why Obama really won, or why Obama hates himself and allowed Mitt to bend him over like that.

That's because the bogeyman of the dishonest Democrat is just that, a bogeyman. Sucks when facts destroy your preconceived beliefs, doesn't it. Of course there are dishonest Democrats that have severe bias problems, but they are in the minority on this board. The GOP, however, not so much. Dishonesty is practically a core value for a GOP supporter these days.