Wow, did you just pull that out of thin air? I said in my 1 line post that skylake and kabylake are the same architecture sans the process node (14nm vs 14+nm). Nowhere did I say anything about comparing Skylake-X and consumer skylake/kabylake.
In fact, just the cache structure changes coupled with the AVX-512 instructions, would suggest that Skylake-X is a different architecture over the consumer line.
So, if Skylake-X is not on 14nm process, then it does share a process with kabylake (14+nm).
Skylake-X is on 14nm+.
Skylake and Kaby Lake are identical cores, save for the process and minor feature changes, mostly related to the IGP.Manufacturing process does not equal CPU architecture. You could produce Intel 386DX on 14m+ if you wanted and that wouldnt make it Kaby Lake.
If Skylake-X is in fact on 14nm+, then has more in common with KabyLake-X than it does with Skylake-S. Not sure how you can dispute that.
But I never said Skylake-X has the same architecture as the consumer class skylake/kabylake.
You are simply mixing terminology to suit your argument.
Skylake and Kaby Lake are identical cores, save for the process and minor feature changes, mostly related to the IGP.
This is why the IPC is identical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaby_Lake#Architecture_changes_compared_to_Skylake
If Skylake-X is not actually related to the Skylake core, then my analogy fails.
If Skylake-X is related to the Skylake core, but made on the 14nm+ process, then my analogy makes sense.
To me, anyway.
Yes, that is right there in the Wiki piece.Doesn't Kabylake also turbo faster with a faster speed shift?
On one hand, the "core wars" have begun, between Intel and AMD, in the consumer space, and with only 4C/8T, it seems that in a few years, you'll be "left behind".No way. My 6700k will last me for years. I don't need an 8+ core beast let alone one that has even more. What's the point anyway? What's it gonna do shave a few minutes off video encoding or content creation...that doesn't even apply to 98% of users. I guess I could get some epeen props but I'm pretty confident my lowly 4 core will be enough for awhile.
Yes, but now Intel is saying it too...Cores this and cores that....I've heard it for along time Larry. Close to six years. Hearing it over and over again doesn't make it true though.
Cores this cores that... oops benchmarks.Cores this and cores that....I've heard it for along time Larry. Close to six years. Hearing it over and over again doesn't make it true though.
They are saying it because they have just about hit the wall on clockspeed and IPC increases, so they need something else to get the public excited and willingly to spend money on.Yes, but now Intel is saying it too...
With the prevalence of 4+ full cores increasing, designers will probably start to take advantage. Intel moving may start designers moving...They are saying it because they have just about hit the wall on clockspeed and IPC increases, so they need something else to get the public excited and willingly to spend money on.
People think cherrypicking games that benefit from moar cores is an irrefutable sign that some kind of multi-core paradise will soon be upon us, when the reality is that many styles of games just aren't great candidates for increased threading.
The Core Wars is going to be a very long and slow process.
Not all applications will be able to be greatly speeded up, just because there are now more than 4 cores available, no matter what the designers want to achieve.With the prevalence of 4+ full cores increasing, designers will probably start to take advantage. Intel moving may start designers moving...
I started thread over in mobo's but maybe I'll get more answers here. Here are my questions:
"Looks like my 3570k is finally getting replaced this summer, most likely with the 7820X. I'm a bit out of the loop on the state of the art, so could use some advice. My machine will do a lot of video encoding, mostly Handbrake, and some gaming on 2560x1440 monitor. I will probably not overclock this machine, if I do it will be conservative.
What RAM specs should I be looking at? I'm guessing quad channel is better than dual, all things equal? What's this "ranking" I'm reading about?
How is Thunderbolt and USB 3.1 support going to be on X299?
Any other issues I should consider with X299?"
Yeah, AMD fanboys got way more rabid in CPU forums since 3570k, things certainly change.What you do want for handbrake and encoding is a ryzen cpu unless its h265. If its h264 you get 80-90% of the way for half cost with eg a 1700x and a b350mb non oc. Ryzen is the state of the art atm for this kind of workload. And at the same priceclass as a 7820 a 12/16c threadripper will probably be faster. I would wait and see for your workload. Things have changed since your 3570k.
Well, most mobos will have fine USB3.1 support because every USB 3.0 is USB3.1 ( ), but TB3 support will probably come down to board selection.Ok well assuming I decide on 7820X anyway, could someone help with my questions?
Ok well assuming I decide on 7820X anyway, could someone help with my questions?
Personally, I just bought 3200mhz RAM with 15 timings for my 7820X build. I would say that anything over 3000mhz will perform great with Skylake-X
Or it's the exact opposite. Games are being developed on eight core machines that share the same architecture as PC for the first time. The "cherry picking" as you call it all newer games that have all come out in the last 6-12 months. vs the ones that show the 4 core dominance are mostly from 2015 and a little into early 2016. Which all fits within the development window for the consoles. Most 2014 and 15 games started their life only ever seeing DX11, started life as Xbox360 and PS3 games that shifted focus. While games coming out now are games that lived their whole lives as Xbox One and PS4 games. Heck we already have one game that actually dumbs down the game if it detects 4 cores or less. Intel Coffee Lake isn't coming out with 6 cores because of Ryzen. It's going to be mostly because of a clock cap. But the end point was they couldn't keep the segmentation up much longer. They needed to bring more cores down.They are saying it because they have just about hit the wall on clockspeed and IPC increases, so they need something else to get the public excited and willingly to spend money on.
People think cherrypicking games that benefit from moar cores is an irrefutable sign that some kind of multi-core paradise will soon be upon us, when the reality is that many styles of games just aren't great candidates for increased threading.
The Core Wars is going to be a very long and slow process.