Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

[moonbogg]

No option to change your vote?

Fixed. Users can now change their vote.

For notation purposes, the record of the poll prior to having the ability to change the vote was:

33 say yes
156 say no

That's as of right now, the moment after making the option to change. We'll see how the polls shift now that some reviews are out.

 

[VirtualLarry]

No "Potato" option?

 

[formulav8]

We'll see how the polls shift now

I've paid attention over the last few days and well, nothing shifted sharply to yes if that's what was expected. IIRC the highest was of course NO and was 82% or so.

After the reviews it may get better or worse depending on persons expectations in certain area's.

 

[moonbogg]

We lost 3 yeses and gained 11 noes.

 

[TheGiant]

Changed my vote from Yes to No atm.

I think Intel lost this round. Ryzen is not better that my current rig. So lets wait ....

 

[fleshconsumed]

Still a definitive "no" from me, especially after reading AT review. It was really surprising seeing Intel power consumption numbers, total reversal from the past decade. Performance wise Intel does have advantage, but IMO not enough to make it appealing. Also checked newegg and x299 motherboards run at $250-500 or almost twice the equivalent X370 motherboards. So $200 more for CPU and $100 more for motherboard. Thanks but no. Makes me glad I made decision to go with Ryzen. If AMD updates Zen2 to 6ccx cores for 12 cores per die then I'll be one happy camper.

 

[CHADBOGA]

For at least 2 years now I have been contemplating getting 10 years out of my i5 3570K @ 4.0Ghz and the launches of both Ryzen and Skylake-X have not been enough to tempt me to reconsider that plan.

Let's see if Covfefe-Lake is any more tempting.

 

[Edrick]

Still haven't cancelled by 7820X order. Been tempted, but not yet.

 

[JimKiler]

I read the review at Tom's and the wattage and heat are horrible for Skylake-X. Also i hear liquid coolers have a longevitity problem. Does that mean you can pay through the nose for a new mobo and CPU and in 2 years your liquid cooler will destroy your CPU when it fails?

It was impressive how well a non Threadripper Ryzen 1800X can compete with Skylake-X.

 

[Topweasel]

I read the review at Tom's and the wattage and heat are horrible for Skylake-X. Also i hear liquid coolers have a longevitity problem. Does that mean you can pay through the nose for a new mobo and CPU and in 2 years your liquid cooler will destroy your CPU when it fails?

It was impressive how well a non Threadripper Ryzen 1800X can compete with Skylake-X.

Well no. Water coolers in theory have a longevity issue like a fan does because it has a motor and fan setup for pushing the liquid through the cold plate and to the radiator. But the length of time they last can be up to 5 years or more. I got 4 on my on 24/7 3930k, H80. In theory it still works but I built a new machine with a R7 1700 in it. Haven't turned the 3930k back on since. As for killing the CPU when it goes. No temps will rise quickly but not instantaneously and the CPU will throttle down till the point it locks up the machine and the CPU isn't doing anything. The big difference between Skylake X and other CPU's is that it has a higher temp allowance. But that is set lower than the temp it would take to do damage to the CPU. So it is hot. But not a bad hot. Just a different hot.

 

[ManyThreads]

Ordered a 7820K and Asus TUF Mk.1. Never owned a TUF board before with the built in fan, so hopefully that isn't a reliability concern. Even a mild OC at 4.5-4.6 Ghz on all cores will be absolutely fantastic for my usage. I waited past Ryzen for this and I'm glad I did. Cost was not an issue as I keep my PC's 5-6 years, and I don't mind if it runs a little warm or uses a lot of power as long as it isn't damaging anything.

 

[Shivansps]

The mayor letdown is the AVX-512 one FMA on 7800X and 7820X, one kinda doest have much reason to go for the 7800X now over the CFL-S.

 

[wildhorse2k]

So in the end we got multi core CPU which works well for single thread applications, but when those threads need to cooperate on a common task there is performance degradation due to non-inclusive cache and large latencies. Latency problems will be partially solved by increasing uncore frequency from 2.4Ghz to 2.8Ghz or higher (at cost of higher TDP) and using fast memory.

To avoid surprises I will purchase Skylake-X only once the 18C comes out to see if there is any change in socket or TIM/solder usage. The platform should be well tuned by then.

 

[Lil'John]

I will say maybe depending upon whether my home reno budget goes under expected and what the price I can get one at(discounted)

OTOH, my 'gaming' 3930k is going custom water cooler and I'll see where it lands. Plus I've got a dual e5-3695 v3 for moar cores

 

[Ajay]

We lost 3 yeses and gained 11 noes.

Yeah, well Intel kind of pulled a d*ck move by gimping not only the 6 core CPU, but also the 8 core. One has to spend $1K to get a fully functional HEDT CPU - used to be that ~$600 got one there. Add to that the poor decision on the TIM (it's going to cost Intel sales) and I'm not surprised that people are changing their minds. Why even build a crippled hexacore HEDT system when CFL is coming soon with six cores at a mainstream price??

If Intel goes to 8 cores with Ice Lake, the low end of HEDT will probably be all but lost (unless Intel gets rid of the 'K' line, so that overclockers need HEDT motherboards and 'X' CPUs for maximum overclockering). DDR4 does a great job feeding an 8 core CPU w/two channels, so there really isn't any need for quad channel memory (unless one needs 8 DIMMS to support larger amounts of DRAM).

I guess we live in interesting times

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yeah, well Intel kind of pulled a d*ck move by gimping not only the 6 core CPU, but also the 8 core. One has to spend $1K to get a fully functional HEDT CPU - used to be that ~$600 got one there. Add to that the poor decision on the TIM (it's going to cost Intel sales) and I'm not surprised that people are changing their minds. Why even build a crippled hexacore HEDT system when CFL is coming soon with six cores at a mainstream price??

If Intel goes to 8 cores with Ice Lake, the low end of HEDT will probably be all but lost (unless Intel gets rid of the 'K' line, so that overclockers need HEDT motherboards and 'X' CPUs for maximum overclockering). DDR4 does a great job feeding an 8 core CPU w/two channels, so there really isn't any need for quad channel memory (unless one needs 8 DIMMS to support larger amounts of DRAM).

I guess we live in interesting times

Given that the mesh fabric on the Xeon chips is definitely better suited for higher core count processors, I have to wonder if a mainstream 8 core Intel CPU would be the sort of "ideal" choice going forward if you're building a gaming + prosumer rig. Intel originally planned an 8 core mainstream CPU with Cannon Lake-S, but that obviously got canned. I think, though, we'll get 8 cores with Ice Lake-H/S, for sure.

 

[Ajay]

Given that the mesh fabric on the Xeon chips is definitely better suited for higher core count processors, I have to wonder if a mainstream 8 core Intel CPU would be the sort of "ideal" choice going forward if you're building a gaming + prosumer rig. Intel originally planned an 8 core mainstream CPU with Cannon Lake-S, but that obviously got canned. I think, though, we'll get 8 cores with Ice Lake-H/S, for sure.

I agree with you. The only limiting factor on an 8 core gaming/prosumer rig is the PCIe limit. Adding 4 more CPU PCIe 3.0 lanes or, better yet, moving to 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes, would relieve most peoples anxieties about having enough I/O bandwidth,IMHO. Very sad that Intel, the premiere fab world wide, got it's first 10nm process so terribly wrong - that really threw a monkey wrench into their plans.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I agree with you. The only limiting factor on an 8 core gaming/prosumer rig is the PCIe limit. Adding 4 more CPU PCIe 3.0 lanes or, better yet, moving to 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes, would relieve most peoples anxieties about having enough I/O bandwidth,IMHO. Very sad that Intel, the premiere fab world wide, got it's first 10nm process so terribly wrong - that really threw a monkey wrench into their plans.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. 10nm won't be very good (yay density but nay for xtor performance), but 10nm+ should be all right.

But, if recent reports are to be believed, it'll be a while before we see any 10nm-derived parts from Intel in desktops. It really is a shame, and I think what we are seeing coming out of Intel's product pipeline corroborates what that Canard PC guy said.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I still plan on buy a LGA3647 Xeon Gold (full AVX-512, 6-channel memory. etc.), so I think I will be ok with a 7820X (HT turned off).

Plus I will be upgrading CPUs to CannonLake-X as soon as those come out due to the increased AVX-512 instructions added.

AFAIK there won't be an X line for that basically canned series. They may do it as they've done with Broadwell, however it's likely easier to move Cascade Lake-SP to the -X before being succeeded by Ice Lake-X.

Fixed. Users can now change their vote.

Much appreciated! Changed mine from Yes to No.

Ordered a 7820K and Asus TUF Mk.1. Never owned a TUF board before with the built in fan, so hopefully that isn't a reliability concern. Even a mild OC at 4.5-4.6 Ghz on all cores will be absolutely fantastic for my usage. I waited past Ryzen for this and I'm glad I did. Cost was not an issue as I keep my PC's 5-6 years, and I don't mind if it runs a little warm or uses a lot of power as long as it isn't damaging anything.

You can expect the same OC experience with a TUF as any ROG branded board. As for the fan, they're usually loud and you don't need it if you have general decent cooling, leave it off.

Yeah, well Intel kind of pulled a d*ck move by gimping not only the 6 core CPU, but also the 8 core. One has to spend $1K to get a fully functional HEDT CPU - used to be that ~$600 got one there. Add to that the poor decision on the TIM (it's going to cost Intel sales) and I'm not surprised that people are changing their minds. Why even build a crippled hexacore HEDT system when CFL is coming soon with six cores at a mainstream price??

If Intel goes to 8 cores with Ice Lake, the low end of HEDT will probably be all but lost (unless Intel gets rid of the 'K' line, so that overclockers need HEDT motherboards and 'X' CPUs for maximum overclockering). DDR4 does a great job feeding an 8 core CPU w/two channels, so there really isn't any need for quad channel memory (unless one needs 8 DIMMS to support larger amounts of DRAM).

I guess we live in interesting times

Even if they will suspend the K-series for their mainstream segment, for those gamers out there (taken CPUs have an all-core boost of 4.5GHz and upwards), it will be fine if one enables the all-cores boost BIOS function present on many boards as higher frequencies aren't that beneficial (taken from KBL-S) and it's where having a sweet spot higher frequency RAM often becomes more beneficial. For prosumers on the other hand, yeah, they're basically forced to dig into HEDT. Like I've said before, Intel would be wise to go up to 8C on the mainstream and 10+ on HEDT - but leave the unlocked SKUs available on both platforms.

But, if recent reports are to be believed, it'll be a while before we see any 10nm-derived parts from Intel in desktops. It really is a shame, and I think what we are seeing coming out of Intel's product pipeline corroborates what that Canard PC guy said.

What did he say?

 

[ManyThreads]

You can expect the same OC experience with a TUF as any ROG branded board. As for the fan, they're usually loud and you don't need it if you have general decent cooling, leave it off.

Good to hear, thanks - I did not know I could turn off the M2 fan. I think the M2 drive will already be under a heatsink on that board so might not need the fan at all.

 

[Edrick]

AFAIK there won't be an X line for that basically canned series. They may do it as they've done with Broadwell, however it's likely easier to move Cascade Lake-SP to the -X before being succeeded by Ice Lake-X.

Sure looks like they are still thinking about CannonLake-X as of this month.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Sure looks like they are still thinking about CannonLake-X as of this month.

They could pull a Broadwell-E I suppose, but with the poor 10nm I really don't see how to make that count.

 

[crashtech]

Still no. We'll see when Coffeelake and Threadripper are on the scene, if those put downward pressure on x299 platform prices, my answer could change at that time.

 

[RichUK]

Nope. Coffee Lake 6C for me.

 

[EliteRetard]

If they hadn't just crapped all over the 8 core it could've been a consideration vs Ryzen 8 core, double PCIE lanes along with a touch more performance. But gimped to hell with only it's small performance lead (and power trade-off) aint worth it at all.

If 12 (or 10) core Threadripper can land anywhere near $600 and 4GHz it'll smash Intel completely for me.