Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

[GoNavy1776]

Hah, yes I'm single. I don't really see it as my duty to keep in Intel or Nvidia in check. Though I will say that Nvidia will never sell me SLI again.

Really you had that many issues? I used to run crossfire 290x x4 but never since. I rarely had problems and it really boosted my games.

 

[beginner99]

You don't think updates will improve SL-X at all?

Maybe. Point is I would not buy one now before you know if such upgrades are coming and by then you will know Coffelake performance. At least if gaming is your main use. If you encoding to gaming is like 50:50 then it's a completely different question.

 

[beginner99]

Hyperbole much?

Quoted out of context much?

 

[LTC8K6]

Maybe. Point is I would not buy one now before you know if such upgrades are coming and by then you will know Coffelake performance. At least if gaming is your main use. If you encoding to gaming is like 50:50 then it's a completely different question.

Can't see why you'd buy SL-X for gaming only in the first place. Or even Broadwell E. Gaming seems to be at the 6 core sweet spot now, and it seems to have reached that recently. 6 fast cores looks like it will be the ideal gaming only chip for a long time.

I often hear about gaming and doing other things at the same time, but I don't think many people actually do that. If they do, I guess they can use more cores running a bit slower.

 

[GoNavy1776]

Can't see why you'd buy SL-X for gaming only in the first place. Or even Broadwell E. Gaming seems to be at the 6 core sweet spot now, and it seems to have reached that recently. 6 fast cores looks like it will be the ideal gaming only chip for a long time.

I often hear about gaming and doing other things at the same time, but I don't think many people actually do that. If they do, I guess they can use more cores running a bit slower.

I do. I run handbrake and play games at same time on my Zen 1700x. I use a thread manager software though. Windows cant manage cores properly when you need dedicated affinities etc...

When Threadripper comes out, since its been established Skylake X has major heat and price issues with me I can run 24 threads to encoding and games the other 8.

Damn after typing that wow that's some madness that we've finally gotten to real high performance computing on desktops.

 

[Topweasel]

Can't see why you'd buy SL-X for gaming only in the first place. Or even Broadwell E. Gaming seems to be at the 6 core sweet spot now, and it seems to have reached that recently. 6 fast cores looks like it will be the ideal gaming only chip for a long time.

I often hear about gaming and doing other things at the same time, but I don't think many people actually do that. If they do, I guess they can use more cores running a bit slower.

There are two things. Games are by default using more and more CPU power. Even in the long run those are going to cap out to about 4 cores, you still have all the frame call work that DX12, Vulkan, and DX11 on Nvidia, that are throwing on more and more cores. We already see some limited performance benefits from the DX12 stuff, it's the former that is really going to push larger core usage up. As games themselves use more and more CPU power for things like AI, physics, and other CPU heavy stuff, it pushes the other work (like frame calls) to higher thread numbers. So if 1-4 cores are being used specifically for in game codes, then the GPU work would be thrown on cores 5+.

6 Will be a sweet spot for a little while (my guess is '17.5-'20), but it will be a bit of a snowball going forward, we could see circumstances that 8 and 10 core CPU's will have an advantage in the next couple years. Not necessarily enough for people to say "you need an 8c", but enough that people who want the best gaming experience would want to look in that direction.

 

[GoNavy1776]

There are two things. Games are by default using more and more CPU power. Even in the long run those are going to cap out to about 4 cores, you still have all the frame call work that DX12, Vulkan, and DX11 on Nvidia, that are throwing on more and more cores. We already see some limited performance benefits from the DX12 stuff, it's the former that is really going to push larger core usage up. As games themselves use more and more CPU power for things like AI, physics, and other CPU heavy stuff, it pushes the other work (like frame calls) to higher thread numbers. So if 1-4 cores are being used specifically for in game codes, then the GPU work would be thrown on cores 5+.

6 Will be a sweet spot for a little while (my guess is '17.5-'20), but it will be a bit of a snowball going forward, we could see circumstances that 8 and 10 core CPU's will have an advantage in the next couple years. Not necessarily enough for people to say "you need an 8c", but enough that people who want the best gaming experience would want to look in that direction.

Im personally more interested in the power if the R3 for games. Quad core low cost etc.... as far as 6 cores I agree s it being the absolute sweet spot for above avg user for next 2 to 3 yrs. I have. 1700x which will last at least 5 more years but I about to trade up to a 1950x and sell my 17. Then I'm highly anticipating either a 6 core r5 or new Zen AMY in the box the 1700x came out of. Either way the core wars are on and we all love it.

Sorry for cell typo

 

[Kippa]

My Ivy 6 core died on me last week. Going to get a new build and decided to go for the 10 core Skylake, seems to be a sweet spot between base clock speed circa 3.4ghz ish and multiple cores.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Can't see why you'd buy SL-X for gaming only in the first place. Or even Broadwell E. Gaming seems to be at the 6 core sweet spot now, and it seems to have reached that recently. 6 fast cores looks like it will be the ideal gaming only chip for a long time.

I often hear about gaming and doing other things at the same time, but I don't think many people actually do that. If they do, I guess they can use more cores running a bit slower.

Doesnt make sense to me either. Assuming you game 4 hours a day (a lot IMO), and even if you work from home and use your computer 8 hours a day for that, that leaves 12 hours a day free to do encoding or whatever other heavily multithreaded software you may be using.

 

[beginner99]

Can't see why you'd buy SL-X for gaming only in the first place.

Future proofing, e-pen, throw money out the window? Don't ask me but there are some guys here that did and I think in the end we agree. Skylake-x isn't for you if you mainly game and do office/internet/media. In fact if you aren't a professional and make money from your computing I hardly see how HEDT it worth it. I can render/encode overnight and through the day when I'm at work on a 6-core coffelake. That's right there 16 hrs of the day. I don't think many people need that much computing need that this is not enough.

 

[GoNavy1776]

Future proofing, e-pen, throw money out the window? Don't ask me but there are some guys here that did and I think in the end we agree. Skylake-x isn't for you if you mainly game and do office/internet/media. In fact if you aren't a professional and make money from your computing I hardly see how HEDT it worth it. I can render/encode overnight and through the day when I'm at work on a 6-core coffelake. That's right there 16 hrs of the day. I don't think many people need that much computing need that this is not enough.

Yeah but it's not juat cores. People think it's just Moar cores.

Its lanes also. Take for instance.

I get a Threadripper because I truly am disinterested at this point in Intel Skylake x.

I run 2x 1080ti at 16x. 2 nvme at full lanes. A 10g Ethernet card at 8x lanes. And a 1x Asus 7.1 phoebus sound card.

None of that is possible unless you run HEDT and even Skylake X lacks as much lanes until you get the real expensive chip options. But you still need a large socket processor for that. Not all about the cores.

Hell two 1080ti cuda encoding will blow away even 32 threads of CPU anyways so I will pro ably be cuda encoding my post production dronw videos.

 

[wildhorse2k]

Yeah but it's not juat cores. People think it's just Moar cores.

Its lanes also. Take for instance.

I get a Threadripper because I truly am disinterested at this point in Intel Skylake x.

I run 2x 1080ti at 16x. 2 nvme at full lanes. A 10g Ethernet card at 8x lanes. And a 1x Asus 7.1 phoebus sound card.

None of that is possible unless you run HEDT and even Skylake X lacks as much lanes until you get the real expensive chip options. But you still need a large socket processor for that. Not all about the cores.

Hell two 1080ti cuda encoding will blow away even 32 threads of CPU anyways so I will pro ably be cuda encoding my post production dronw videos.

It's questionable how Threadripper infinity fabric between dies will affect performance. From what I have read it is separate infinity fabric from connecting CCXs. That external infinity fabric will be used to transfer PCIe data (graphic cards, nvme drives, sata drives, network controllers) whenever the data is "remote" and at the same time serve as access to "remote" memory. So copying a file across network when network card needs to be accessed across external infinity fabric could have performance hit

Also note that Threadripper is not a gaming oriented product. We don't know if there will be any performance hit when using 2x 1080ti due to external infinity fabric.

It's a speculation now, but soon we will get benchmarks.

 

[GoNavy1776]

It's questionable how Threadripper infinity fabric between dies will affect performance. From what I have read it is separate infinity fabric from connecting CCXs. That external infinity fabric will be used to transfer PCIe data (graphic cards, nvme drives, sata drives, network controllers) whenever the data is "remote" and at the same time serve as access to "remote" memory. So copying a file across network when network card needs to be accessed across external infinity fabric could have performance hit

Also note that Threadripper is not a gaming oriented product. We don't know if there will be any performance hit when using 2x 1080ti due to external infinity fabric.

It's a speculation now, but soon we will get benchmarks.

If its anything like Epyc it will beat Intels ring bus thingy they use.

 

[wildhorse2k]

If its anything like Epyc it will beat Intels ring bus thingy they use.

Skylake-X doesn't use ringbus, it uses mesh.

 

[GoNavy1776]

Skylake-X doesn't use ringbus, it uses mesh.

Right that... the mesh. Whatever, its like 535,689 Kelvin when you overclock it. Im not down with that so I gave up on the whole line until they solder it again.