Who's Christian here?

[Giantsfan24]

Read the rest of the verse. The reason man became like God was because he knew good and evil. Before, he didn't.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24
If Christian means follower of Jesus, then technically, a mormon would be but like I said, which Jesus do they follow? Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet...are they christians because they believe in Him?

Would you view those suicide cults that quote Bible verses christians just because they throw around the name Jesus? A Christian(IMO) is a follower of the Jesus of the Bible. period.

Yes, but that is subject to your interpretation of the Jesus of the Bible. I see no difference in the Jesus I believe in as compare to the one in the Bible. You're the one that sees the difference.

I agree with you completely. Just as Paul said to the Corinthian (chapter 8),

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I like this scripture for two reason. One, Paul was not talking about heathen Gods as many suppose. There is but One God to us, which is in perfect harmony with your scriptures. However, why would he say there is one God, and One Lord, if they are the same person? The word "one" means other things other than singularity. It also mean unity. Why must they be one as in number, rather than one as in purpose?

 

[Giantsfan24]

Us refers to the trinity. Not three separate gods.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24
Exactly. If you want to consider yourself a christian, do so. But we have more than explained why we do not consider Mormons and JW's christians. I am not telling you to do anything.

We have shown why we think Mormon and JW beliefs are not Biblical. If you disagree, so be it. But we do have a reason. Its not that we don't like you

I understand, and like I've said, you're welcome to consider us whatever you like. It doesn't hurt my feelings one bit that people don't consider me a Christian. I'm fine with it.

 

[DaShen]

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

So somehow living forever is the same as becoming G-d and doing the same thing in other earths as G-d has by procreating life and furthering progeny that are son's of You, who is now a god? (BOM)

 

[Giantsfan24]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24
If Christian means follower of Jesus, then technically, a mormon would be but like I said, which Jesus do they follow? Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet...are they christians because they believe in Him?

Would you view those suicide cults that quote Bible verses christians just because they throw around the name Jesus? A Christian(IMO) is a follower of the Jesus of the Bible. period.

Yes, but that is subject to your interpretation of the Jesus of the Bible. I see no difference in the Jesus I believe in as compare to the one in the Bible. You're the one that sees the difference.

I agree with you completely. Just as Paul said to the Corinthian (chapter 8),

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I like this scripture for two reason. One, Paul was not talking about heathen Gods as many suppose. There is but One God to us, which is in perfect harmony with your scriptures. However, why would he say there is one God, and One Lord, if they are the same person? The word "one" means other things other than singularity. It also mean unity. Why must they be one as in number, rather than one as in purpose?

Because there is one God in three persons. Look at my isiaiah reference. There is no room to wiggle. ONE God and since later in isaiah it says that god alone saves, and cross that with Acts 4:12...Jesus =God

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24
Read the rest of the verse. The reason man became like God was because he knew good and evil. Before, he didn't.

You are 100% correct. So there are two things that have kept us from being like God. Knowledge of good and evil and being sinful. So, one down. As for the sin, Christ died for us so that we could be forgiven of our sins. If we are in fact forgiven, what then is left?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: DaShen
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

So somehow living forever is the same as becoming G-d and doing the same thing in other earths as G-d has by procreating life and furthering progeny that are son's of You, who is now a god? (BOM)

You're getting the idea. There's more to it than that, but now you are starting to understand what we believe.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24
Read the rest of the verse. The reason man became like God was because he knew good and evil. Before, he didn't.

You are 100% correct. So there are two things that have kept us from being like God. Knowledge of good and evil and being sinful. So, one down. As for the sin, Christ died for us so that we could be forgiven of our sins. If we are in fact forgiven, what then is left?

...The actual G-d part of the picture. The Bible is very clear that there is only one G-d and that there can be no other god before him. That G-d is G-d alone and we are not. I find that reassuring though.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: DaShen
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

So somehow living forever is the same as becoming G-d and doing the same thing in other earths as G-d has by procreating life and furthering progeny that are son's of You, who is now a god? (BOM)

You're getting the idea. There's more to it than that, but now you are starting to understand what we believe.

I understand the Mormon doctrine and theology. Went through the BOM and also other references. I am just saying it is unBiblical.

 

[Giantsfan24]

Like God, not God himself. I can be quiet "like a cat". Am I a cat. I hope not.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24

Because there is one God in three persons. Look at my isiaiah reference. There is no room to wiggle. ONE God and since later in isaiah it says that god alone saves, and cross that with Acts 4:12...Jesus =God

One:

1. Being a single entity, unit, object, or living being.
2. Characterized by unity; undivided: They spoke with one voice.
3.
1. Of the same kind or quality: two animals of one species.
2. Forming a single entity of two or more components: three chemicals combining into one solution.
4. Being a single member or element of a group, category, or kind: I'm just one player on the team.
5. Being a single thing in contrast with or relation to another or others of its kind: One day is just like the next.
6. Occurring or existing as something indefinite, as in time or position: He will come one day.
7. Occurring or existing as something particular but unspecified, as in time past: late one evening.
8. Informal. Used as an intensive: That is one fine dog.
9. Being the only individual of a specified or implied kind: the one person I could marry; the one horse that can win this race.

So with all those definitions of one, which one is the Lord referring to?

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Now it specifically states there are three. Now three doesn't have any other definitions that I know of, so unless 3=1 somehow, I'm going to go with the idea that one means unity in purpose, not unity in number.

 

[Giantsfan24]

Well, kinda. Jesus is called the Word by John. Father and Holy Ghost. 3 in 1...1 in 3. God is 1 God, three persons but still one God.

 

[mi1stormilst]

Originally posted by: homestarmy
I also am more of a man of science and feel as if I have grown out of it, much like a child discovers the mystery behind Santa Claus.

HEHE! WHOO WHOO! Funny that is the same logic I used when going from sanity to INSANITY! WACKA WACKA! lol

Oh and to try and help promote additional thought on some other topics:

1.) One cannot become god-like until one has at least obtained experiences in certain physical and spiritual realms. None of us have tasted death or passed on. None of us remember being with God in the pre-mortal life. None of us have the ability to form or shape worlds or control energy with our thoughts. We are a long way from even attempting to emulate Christ or any heavenly being for that matter...Heck I can't even play a HARP yet (-;

2.) Here is an analogy: If I tell you I have had sex with one woman and never with any other in my life you may or may not believe me. If you don't believe me it is very unlikely that I can change your mind no matter what I say if you want to be hard headed or untrusting about it. Now if it is easy to believe ... pretend that I claim to have slept with over 1700 women since my 16th birthday (I am now 30) is that easy to believe? How can I prove it to you. Unless I line up 1700 women and sleep with them in front of you your not going to KNOW that I am telling the truth.

Now what I can tell you is that I have had a very personal experience that lets me know that God exists...you can choose to believe me or not, there is little I can do to convince you either way. It is the truth. I also happen to believe in and worship Christ as a separate God with powers equal to his fathers.

Yes I am mormon.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24
Like God, not God himself. I can be quiet "like a cat". Am I a cat. I hope not.

But Giants fan's are purrrrfect in their felineness.

I am such an Uber Dork

**EDIT**
I am more of a Pirate myself Arrrrrr....

 

[spc hink]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: spc hink

Originally posted by: loic2003
I sure hope non of you christians are fat now. You realise gluttony and greed are part of the seven deadly sins, right? Effectively, you will go to hell for that.

Or... or do you just pick and choose what parts of the bible you feel apply to you? In which case you're not a true christian and should therefore go the whole way and give it up.

start thinking: it really rocks!

You are as ignorant as the fundamental Christians back in the day who refused to believe that the Earth was not the center of the universe. If you truly want to make a good case against religion, please post something intelligent.

Care to actually go ahead an substantiate your comment or will you just stick with name calling?

I think that your misconception of Christianity has been clarified in a previous post but if you would like more information, I would be glad to point you in the right direction. Many atheists like to claim that Christians are closed minded and lack intelligence and you post something ignorant like that someone will go to Hell for committing one of the 7 deadly sins. I have found that most of my friends who are atheist or agnostic to have above average intelligence and they make good arguments against religion. But you sir, are making your side look bad.

 

[Fraggable]

I'm an independent baptist and proud of it.

Sadly, some need physical evidence to 'prove' their beliefs. I have faith that God exists and that 100% of the Bible is correct and relevant.

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
I believe in God and pray but I don't attend church, what does that make me?

Christian... assuming you believe in the Jesus christ thing

whoa...I think this is why Christians get a bad name these days. People are lumping them into anyone who believes in God and prays. This is not true.

To call yourself a Christian there are some very big things you must believe

1. God exists in a trinty, Father, Son(jJsus), Holy Spirit
2. Jesus was sent to earth to die for our sins.
3. Jesus rose from the dead therefore defeatings death and sin

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: JasonSix78

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
I guess I sort of find it funny how Protestants, who are sola scriptura, believe that Catholics, who with the Orthodox (they were the same thing) put together and decided on the books of the Bible, are not Christians.

The reason why some Catholics aren't considered Christian is because of their practices/ways to get to heaven. Being saved means you admit you are a sinner, you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, that he died for your sins and the sins of the world, and that He is the Son of God (the sinner's prayer). You can do that at home, in a church, on the bus...anywhere you please. Catholics have to go through the sacraments as a way of being saved and accepting Christ. There's a lot of things in Catholicism that don't line up with the teachings in the New Testament and that's why some Catholics aren't considered Christians.

-Jason

YES

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I still don't understand how the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) is not considered "Christian".... :roll:

it is just a name.

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I still don't understand how the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) is not considered "Christian".... :roll:

Have you ever read their ridiculously twisted views of the Bible?

Please explain???

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Davegod75

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
I believe in God and pray but I don't attend church, what does that make me?

Christian... assuming you believe in the Jesus christ thing

whoa...I think this is why Christians get a bad name these days. People are lumping them into anyone who believes in God and prays. This is not true.

To call yourself a Christian there are some very big things you must believe

1. God exists in a trinty, Father, Son(jJsus), Holy Spirit
2. Jesus was sent to earth to die for our sins.
3. Jesus rose from the dead therefore defeatings death and sin

where in the bible is the Holy Trinity mentioned.

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24
What else to Cathlolics view as God's word?

Tradition. Pope.

add another major reason why Catholics are not "true" Chirstians.

 

[JASANITY]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
I believe in God and pray but I don't attend church, what does that make me?

Christian... assuming you believe in the Jesus christ thing

Catholics believe in Jesus and God, but you claim they aren't Chrisitan.

No, but I believe they'll go to heaven...

there is a distinction... and i'll repeat my question... how many times have you called a catholic a christian?

Always. Some of my family members are Catholic.

that's interesting... as many Catholics i talk to want to be called Catholic, not Christian

Do you considure denomiations that reject the Nicine creed to be Christians?

I think you and I have different interpretations of the word Christian... christian != all people who believe in Christ, but more Protestant. Some Catholics i called Christians took offense and said they were catholic, while others didn't care. For me, Christians are a branch from Catholicism... and yes, I believe both will go to heaven as they believe inthe core/primary values. Of course, the whole rosemary bead thing doesn't quite do it for me.

if they reject the Nicene Creed... and by doing so, reject that Jesus Christ came down to earth to die for the world's sins... then yes, I believe that they will not be saved...

I know Mormon and JWs will strongly disagree with you for they reject the Holy Trinity and thus the Nicene Creed.

Catholics aren't Christian because they worship Mary on the same level of Jesus Christ. I believe no Christian religion worships Mary like Catholics. That is why Catholics aren't Christians, they worship Mary!

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Giantsfan24

Because there is one God in three persons. Look at my isiaiah reference. There is no room to wiggle. ONE God and since later in isaiah it says that god alone saves, and cross that with Acts 4:12...Jesus =God

One:

1. Being a single entity, unit, object, or living being.
2. Characterized by unity; undivided: They spoke with one voice.
3.
1. Of the same kind or quality: two animals of one species.
2. Forming a single entity of two or more components: three chemicals combining into one solution.
4. Being a single member or element of a group, category, or kind: I'm just one player on the team.
5. Being a single thing in contrast with or relation to another or others of its kind: One day is just like the next.
6. Occurring or existing as something indefinite, as in time or position: He will come one day.
7. Occurring or existing as something particular but unspecified, as in time past: late one evening.
8. Informal. Used as an intensive: That is one fine dog.
9. Being the only individual of a specified or implied kind: the one person I could marry; the one horse that can win this race.

So with all those definitions of one, which one is the Lord referring to?

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Now it specifically states there are three. Now three doesn't have any other definitions that I know of, so unless 3=1 somehow, I'm going to go with the idea that one means unity in purpose, not unity in number.

very last part of the verse answers your question