Who's Christian here?

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe more than 5% of Christians are actual real Christians. The other 95% see Christianity and Church as a social club they belong to and/or are just afraid of going to hell.

A teacher asked us once if there was no heaven or hell would we still be Christians. I thought about that real hard for the next 10 years.

Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

Not true. Many people, I think, aren't sure whether there is a heaven or hell, but they hedge their bets by going to church anyway. But there are many of us who are Christians for reasons beyond that.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: Cooler
<-- Jew

Well how are Jew doing today?

OH NO JEW DIDN'T

jew talkin to me?

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: Cooler
<-- Jew

Well how are Jew doing today?

OH NO JEW DIDN'T

jew talkin to me?

im doing ok but the jew joke was not needed.

 

[George P Burdell]

If I had to pick a religion, I'd pick FSM.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: boggsie
Participation is fun, but what is the point simply identification?

I like to banter about regarding the core of the relationship with God that all men are created with, but very few appear to recognize.

Thoughts?

Start a new thread if that's why you want.

 

[imported_Skold]

I'm a Christian...that is all!

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: Cooler
<-- Jew

Well how are Jew doing today?

OH NO JEW DIDN'T

jew talkin to me?

what is wrong with jew guys...? have a little respect

**EDIT**
Any of you guys ever watch the "Hebrew Hammer"...
Shabot Shalom.... Judy Greer

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: homestarmy
You need a poll.

Why? What would the choices be?
I'm not really trying to find out what everyone else's religion is.
And between Christian and non-Christians, I'm sure the latter will dominate.

So you want to know if there are Christains here, but you are not looking for numbers.

If that is the case, the answer is yes, there are Christains present.

The question is not IF; it's WHO.

 

[JohnAn2112]

I grew up Catholic. I stopped going to church in high school. Then 2 and a half years ago, I started going to a Methodist church. Been going ever since.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe more than 5% of Christians are actual real Christians. The other 95% see Christianity and Church as a social club they belong to and/or are just afraid of going to hell.

A teacher asked us once if there was no heaven or hell would we still be Christians. I thought about that real hard for the next 10 years.

Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

Not true. Many people, I think, aren't sure whether there is a heaven or hell, but they hedge their bets by going to church anyway. But there are many of us who are Christians for reasons beyond that.

For what reason. You are being threatened into worshiping some being. The bible says bow down to god or go to hell.

 

[boggsie]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: boggsie
Participation is fun, but what is the point simply identification?

I like to banter about regarding the core of the relationship with God that all men are created with, but very few appear to recognize.

Thoughts?

Start a new thread if that's why you want.

I would prefer to attempt to hijack this one ...

C'mon!

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: homestarmy
You need a poll.

Why? What would the choices be?
I'm not really trying to find out what everyone else's religion is.
And between Christian and non-Christians, I'm sure the latter will dominate.

So you want to know if there are Christains here, but you are not looking for numbers.

If that is the case, the answer is yes, there are Christains present.

The question is not IF; it's WHO.

Um... I believe there are at least a good percentage of people who are believers here. maybe like 1/4 of the people or so. do the poll.

 

[mooncancook]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe more than 5% of Christians are actual real Christians. The other 95% see Christianity and Church as a social club they belong to and/or are just afraid of going to hell.

A teacher asked us once if there was no heaven or hell would we still be Christians. I thought about that real hard for the next 10 years.

if there is no heaven or hell then there will be no Christian because there will be no need for a Savior, therefore there is no need for Christ to die for us, therefore there would be no Christianity. You shouldn't dwell too hard on this question.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe more than 5% of Christians are actual real Christians. The other 95% see Christianity and Church as a social club they belong to and/or are just afraid of going to hell.

A teacher asked us once if there was no heaven or hell would we still be Christians. I thought about that real hard for the next 10 years.

Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

Not true. Many people, I think, aren't sure whether there is a heaven or hell, but they hedge their bets by going to church anyway. But there are many of us who are Christians for reasons beyond that.

For what reason. You are being threatened into worshiping some being. The bible says bow down to god or go to hell.

It's funny how so many people are always anti-Christian, but have no idea what the religion is about...

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe more than 5% of Christians are actual real Christians. The other 95% see Christianity and Church as a social club they belong to and/or are just afraid of going to hell.

A teacher asked us once if there was no heaven or hell would we still be Christians. I thought about that real hard for the next 10 years.

Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

Not true. Many people, I think, aren't sure whether there is a heaven or hell, but they hedge their bets by going to church anyway. But there are many of us who are Christians for reasons beyond that.

For what reason. You are being threatened into worshiping some being. The bible says bow down to god or go to hell.

It's funny how so many people are always anti-Christian, but have no idea what the religion is about...

I don't hate christians.

 

[shoRunner]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

this is also why you find many hypocrits, because christianity is not about getting a get out of hell free card....as you so naively perceive it.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe more than 5% of Christians are actual real Christians. The other 95% see Christianity and Church as a social club they belong to and/or are just afraid of going to hell.

A teacher asked us once if there was no heaven or hell would we still be Christians. I thought about that real hard for the next 10 years.

if there is no heaven or hell then there will be no Christian because there will be no need for a Savior, therefore there is no need for Christ to die for us, therefore there would be no Christianity. You shouldn't dwell too hard on this question.

HeroOfPellinor, that is a very negative view of the Church (intentionally capitalized). It isn't in our right to judge someone as being a true Christian or not. If the person professes, that is all you can judge on. Sorry, but you aren't judge, jury, or executioner; only G-d is.

**EDIT**
Also, if you ever travel outside of the States to help out the poor and indigent, I believe your viewpoint will change.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: DVK916

Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

this is also why you find many hypocrits, because christianity is not about getting a get out of hell free card....as you so naively perceive it.

No but according to christianity those who are not christian are garenteed a spot in hell.

 

[homestarmy]

Also, I was a forced Christain when I was younger. Maybe I would be more optimistic about it if it wasn't force-fed to me by making me go two times per day on occasion.

I also am more of a man of science and feel as if I have grown out of it, much like a child discovers the mystery behind Santa Claus.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: Cooler
<-- Jew

Well how are Jew doing today?

OH NO JEW DIDN'T

jew talkin to me?

im doing ok but the jew joke was not needed.

The joke in no way was meant to be threatening, disrespectful, antagonizing, etc. If you feel that you have been wronged and are being discriminated against, then bite me.

 

[mordantmonkey]

I'd like to participate by saying I am NOT christian.
I have attended two easter service, however only because i was paid (trumpet player). and I spent some of that money on booze and weed. yay for juvenile delinquency!

 

[dquan97]

I'm in!

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: DVK916

Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

this is also why you find many hypocrits, because christianity is not about getting a get out of hell free card....as you so naively perceive it.

No but according to christianity those who are not christian are garenteed a spot in hell.

The reason is that everyone, including Christians (sometimes especially Christians, that is what makes the actual gift so undeserving), deserve nothing but eternal seperation from G-d. To be in G-d's presence you must be blameless, without fault. None of us are. That is the premise. The Law and Sin is what seperates us from God. Since God is both Just and Merciful, he cannot just ignore the Law.

Is a judge just if he lets a proven criminal go free without giving the criminal what he deserves? Would a judge be just if let a rapists go 'scott free' because he pitied and loved the person who raped? No, of course not. Would it be just if another rapist offered to take the punishment instead. No, of course not. But if someone who did not commit a criminal act, like the Judge Himself, willingly took the rapists place, would the justice be done.

Therefore, G-d demenstrated His love for us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. He gave us the ability to be present before Him blameless because another person who was blameless took our place.

 

[shoRunner]

Originally posted by: DaShen

HeroOfPellinor, that is a very negative view of the Church (intentionally capitalized). It isn't in our right to judge someone as being a true Christian or not. If the person professes, that is all you can judge on. Sorry, but you aren't judge, jury, or executioner; only G-d is.

**EDIT**
Also, if you ever travel outside of the States to help out the poor and indigent, I believe your viewpoint will change.

the bible teaches that christians are not to judge unbelievers, but read I Cor. 5

"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

it is obvious that christians should be wary of those calling themselves christians, but are obviously not.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: DVK916

Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

this is also why you find many hypocrits, because christianity is not about getting a get out of hell free card....as you so naively perceive it.

No but according to christianity those who are not christian are garenteed a spot in hell.

The reason is that everyone, including Christians (sometimes especially Christians, that is what makes the actual gift so undeserving), deserve nothing but eternal seperation from G-d. To be in G-d's presence you must be blameless, without fault. None of us are. That is the premise. The Law and Sin is what seperates us from God. Since God is both Just and Merciful, he cannot just ignore the Law.

Is a judge just if he lets a proven criminal go free without giving the criminal what he deserves? Would a judge be just if let a rapists go 'scott free' because he pitied and loved the person who raped? No, of course not. Would it be just if another rapist offered to take the punishment instead. No, of course not. But if someone who did not commit a criminal act, like the Judge Himself, willingly took the rapists place, would the justice be done.

Therefore, G-d demenstrated His love for us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. He gave us the ability to be present before Him blameless because another person who was blameless took our place.

So because we are all sinners we deserve to be tortured in the lake of fire forever?