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pontifex

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe more than 5% of Christians are actual real Christians. The other 95% see Christianity and Church as a social club they belong to and/or are just afraid of going to hell.

A teacher asked us once if there was no heaven or hell would we still be Christians. I thought about that real hard for the next 10 years.


Heaven and Hell are what make people christian. When you believe that you will be tortured for eternity if you don't comply it is a strong motivator.

Not true. Many people, I think, aren't sure whether there is a heaven or hell, but they hedge their bets by going to church anyway. But there are many of us who are Christians for reasons beyond that.

so by going to church, whether you believe in heaven/hell or not, you still go to heaven?
where do the people who don't believe in either and don't go to church go?

my belief is that religion was created as a sort of mind/crowd control to instill fear into the populace to keep them from doing things they shouldn't. it may have worked back in the days when they didn't know what science was, but as science became prominent and proved that things were a certain way because thats how it worked, not by magic.

inciting fear as a way to control people is still alive today. its a shame that people lack common sense or the ability to control themselves that have to believe that they'll go to hell if they do something bad.
 

w00t

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Nov 5, 2004
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Dont make people feel bad for not being Catholic at least put some more answers. coming from a Catholic person :-D
 

BlueFlamme

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I skimmed, but don't forget Messianic Jews would count.

Probably a better choice of wording would be:

How many people believe that Jesus Christ died for them, took away their sins, will take them to heaven, and that is the only way to get to heaven


Add me to that category.
 

Krazefinn

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To summarise, we're given the choice. To live with the lifegiver. Or without.
hell, gaol, jail, etc was the old hebrew term denoting the "burning dump outside the city walls" where all refuse was thrown.
to choose the latter results in your final eternal demise. just becuase the "smoke of their torment rises forever" doesnt mean an actual eternal fire.
And I dont think my loving god could burn the ones who reject him forever. he simply allows those not wanting to live with him...to live without. And life without the penultimate source of life...is death. Or so methinks, if you ascribe to the the commonly held christian view. too many fundamentals (we are all anthropomorhic) apply their own view, feelings, to interpretation and disposition re; wrath of god. Its their own creation, holding their own biases, vengeance, retribution. And doesnt take into account longsuffering mercy, payment of the penalty by another, and assumes to know the mind of god. A creator god couldnt destroy his creation, instead wants to save all. there are some who refuse, and he allows all to chose own destiny.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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I love how your question is so biased towards christianity.

You're either Christian or one of those other heathens who believes something else. :roll:

You are a Troll.
 

JDrake

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Dec 27, 2005
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:thumbsup: (edit: I voted yes)
You should have another option "I'm Christian and actually go to church!"
 

daniel49

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yeppers.

Faith test:
If you were accussed of being a christian and were taken to a court of law.
Would there be enough evidence to convict you?
 

MBrown

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I am christian. I go to Londonderry Christian Church in Londonderry, NH. I am also the drummer for my church's worship band. I've drumming for my church's worship band since my sophmore year in HS in 2001.
 

n7

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Jan 4, 2004
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I'd say yes, but TBH, i don't actively practise my faith...

Still believe though, well to an extent...
 

AbAbber2k

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Originally posted by: MBrown
I am also the drummer for my church's worship band. I've drumming for my church's worship band since my sophmore year in HS in 2001.

Is it just me is this the classic "I'm a better christian than you," phrase? Switch it up however you want, but it always comes across as "I worship hard than you!"

In other news, the South Park Christian Rock episode is one of the best eps EVAR.
 

DVK916

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Dec 12, 2005
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sad so many christians on this forum.

Seeing more christians here than atheist makes me . I thought people here would be open minded.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: DVK916
sad so many christians on this forum.

Seeing more christians here than atheist makes me . I thought people here would be open minded.

We should start an atheist thread so we can argue about who is the better atheist. :laugh:

We could quote non-religious songs or South Park episodes. We could talk about pie. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
 

BlueFlamme

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Nov 3, 2005
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Originally posted by: DVK916
sad so many christians on this forum.

Seeing more christians here than atheist makes me . I thought people here would be open minded.

And how open minded are you when making that statement? :roll: (and no, I will not respond to any more flamebait)
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: BlueFlamme
I skimmed, but don't forget Messianic Jews would count.

Probably a better choice of wording would be:

How many people believe that Jesus Christ died for them, took away their sins, will take them to heaven, and that is the only way to get to heaven


Add me to that category.

Sweet, that means I can be a Christian too since I'm Mormon.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: BlueFlamme
Originally posted by: DVK916
sad so many christians on this forum.

Seeing more christians here than atheist makes me . I thought people here would be open minded.

And how open minded are you when making that statement? :roll: (and no, I will not respond to any more flamebait)

Your post has nothing to do with pie. Please don't try to hijack this thread again.
 
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