Who's Christian here?

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: monk3y
Born half Hindu half Christian... Practice neither.

You aren't born into a religion.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: The Godfather
First of all, its Cathlics/Orthodox. Because it all started out as 1, but then the Church St. Sofia seperated from the Church in Italy due to money and greed on both sides.

but Catholic!=Orthodox

 

[SpecialEd]

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: Davegod75
catholics are iffy about being truly chirstian in my book.

To be truly Christian you have to believe Christ died for you sins and by believing this you can be saved.(John 3:16) You are saved by God's grace not by works.


Reason I don't think catholics subscribe to this:

that x amount of Our Fathers is penance for your sin
7 sacraments
baptism = salvation
say the pope is infalliable


All this being said I am a Christian

I agree with you but I'd rather not get into it here.

I agree as well. Not to mention the idolization of Mary.

I'm going to agree with this as well.

<-- Christian

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I'm sure I'm going to get put on some hit list, but I'm a Christian.

Hahaha... The poll seems to reflect the percentages in America slightly. So I doubt it.

To the athiests, there is nothing wrong with the Christian belief, it is actually a great religion that changes many people's lives in a good way (even if you don't believe in it). There is something wrong with the Christians who practice it (but that is an inherent belief in Christianity). People who believe in Christ and accept his free gift tend to be the ones who need Him the most and realize it. The Christians who judge non-Christians are the ones who aren't living a Christian lifestyle.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: JinLien

What is a "Christian"?

A self centered God loving person that condemns everything that isn?t Christian?

A person that say, its craps if it is not Catholic?

Or, a person that love others regardless of their religious/non-religious believe?

<-- A bitter atheist that was forced to attend Sunday mass & served as alter boy by my God loving Catholic mother.

i'm a bitter christian for the same exact reasons as you.... doesn't stop me from having faith, though.

same here. Christian fundies make me hurl. I don't think G-d takes kindly to them using His name for their own ill-gotten gains or illogical morals either.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: JinLien

What is a "Christian"?

A self centered God loving person that condemns everything that isn?t Christian?

A person that say, its craps if it is not Catholic?

Or, a person that love others regardless of their religious/non-religious believe?

<-- A bitter atheist that was forced to attend Sunday mass & served as alter boy by my God loving Catholic mother.

i'm a bitter christian for the same exact reasons as you.... doesn't stop me from having faith, though.

same here. Christian fundies make me hurl. I don't think G-d takes kindly to them using His name for their own ill-gotten gains or illogical morals either.

Why do you censor the word God, yet you capitalize the G?

 

[IronWing]

<- agnostic w/ strong atheist and animist symphathies.

 

[TBone48]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: JinLien

What is a "Christian"?

A self centered God loving person that condemns everything that isn?t Christian?

A person that say, its craps if it is not Catholic?

Or, a person that love others regardless of their religious/non-religious believe?

<-- A bitter atheist that was forced to attend Sunday mass & served as alter boy by my God loving Catholic mother.

i'm a bitter christian for the same exact reasons as you.... doesn't stop me from having faith, though.

same here. Christian fundies make me hurl. I don't think G-d takes kindly to them using His name for their own ill-gotten gains or illogical morals either.

Why do you censor the word God, yet you capitalize the G?

I think it's a way of showing respect for God by not using His name casually or irreverently?
Please clarify if I'm mistaken, DaShen.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm jewish, god says you should all serve me.

Where does it say that?

 

[b064r]

I think christian is no just about religion
It is more to relationship about you and Jesus
and religion will not take you to heaven, Jesus is...

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
If I had to pick a religion, I'd pick FSM.

 

[Isla]

Heretic.

(edit: Not sure what that qualifies me as, heh)

 

[AmdEmAll]

Im a Christian Protestant.

 

[theLION]

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Im a Christian Protestant.

me too!!

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: JinLien

What is a "Christian"?

A self centered God loving person that condemns everything that isn?t Christian?

A person that say, its craps if it is not Catholic?

Or, a person that love others regardless of their religious/non-religious believe?

<-- A bitter atheist that was forced to attend Sunday mass & served as alter boy by my God loving Catholic mother.

i'm a bitter christian for the same exact reasons as you.... doesn't stop me from having faith, though.

same here. Christian fundies make me hurl. I don't think G-d takes kindly to them using His name for their own ill-gotten gains or illogical morals either.

illogical morals i won't agree with however, unforunately, there are a lot of people who call themselves chrisitans who will misuse their status, religiion, etc. For this I am sorry as a Christian as it does not reveal the true nature of being a follower of Christ. We are not perfect, we are sinners and I apologize for myself and others who probably try to present ourselves as somehow better than those who are not Christians.

 

[xaeniac]

fellow brothers I am a Christian; God bless all;

 

[ndruw]

<- Missouri Synod Lutheran

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Davegod75

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: JinLien

What is a "Christian"?

A self centered God loving person that condemns everything that isn?t Christian?

A person that say, its craps if it is not Catholic?

Or, a person that love others regardless of their religious/non-religious believe?

<-- A bitter atheist that was forced to attend Sunday mass & served as alter boy by my God loving Catholic mother.

i'm a bitter christian for the same exact reasons as you.... doesn't stop me from having faith, though.

same here. Christian fundies make me hurl. I don't think G-d takes kindly to them using His name for their own ill-gotten gains or illogical morals either.

illogical morals i won't agree with however, unforunately, there are a lot of people who call themselves chrisitans who will misuse their status, religiion, etc. For this I am sorry as a Christian as it does not reveal the true nature of being a follower of Christ. We are not perfect, we are sinners and I apologize for myself and others who probably try to present ourselves as somehow better than those who are not Christians.

This is true for all religions. The world isn't seperated into Christians and evil people.

-Kevin

 

[regpfj]

?I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit.? - Mark Twain

Why Atheism?

 

[spamsk8r]

Originally posted by: Krazefinn
To summarise, we're given the choice. To live with the lifegiver. Or without.
hell, gaol, jail, etc was the old hebrew term denoting the "burning dump outside the city walls" where all refuse was thrown.
to choose the latter results in your final eternal demise. just becuase the "smoke of their torment rises forever" doesnt mean an actual eternal fire.
And I dont think my loving god could burn the ones who reject him forever. he simply allows those not wanting to live with him...to live without. And life without the penultimate source of life...is death. Or so methinks, if you ascribe to the the commonly held christian view. too many fundamentals (we are all anthropomorhic) apply their own view, feelings, to interpretation and disposition re; wrath of god. Its their own creation, holding their own biases, vengeance, retribution. And doesnt take into account longsuffering mercy, payment of the penalty by another, and assumes to know the mind of god. A creator god couldnt destroy his creation, instead wants to save all. there are some who refuse, and he allows all to chose own destiny.

It was Gehenna that was the burning trash dump. Sheol (Hades in Greek translations) means "The Unseen Place," also called Abraham's Bosom in the New Testament. Just wanted to interject a bit

Also, count me in. It's amazing at how many Christians have such a limited understanding of the original texts. I really think apologetics are more effective when you can argue from a full understanding of what the scriptures say, not just what our English translations tend to say. I think all Christians should study basic Greek and Hebrew, I think the Jews got the whole "0making their children study the original texts" thing right. I advise each of you who professes Christ to learn about Hermeneutics, Epistemology, as well as other schools of philosophy (so you don't look like a moron when someone tells you they subscribe to Objectivism or Kantian Utilitarianism ). That's all, thanks for reading.

 

[spamsk8r]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Winchester

Originally posted by: Davegod75
catholics are iffy about being truly chirstian in my book.

To be truly Christian you have to believe Christ died for you sins and by believing this you can be saved.(John 3:16) You are saved by God's grace not by works.


Reason I don't think catholics subscribe to this:

that x amount of Our Fathers is penance for your sin
7 sacraments
baptism = salvation
say the pope is infalliable
EDIT: They worship Mary and not Jesus = False gods


All this being said I am a Christian

I concur. You are saved by God's grace.

Isn't that the principle behind Lutheranism. YOu dont need to pray through Mary or the pope to reach God or Jesus?

Dont get me wrong though, the pope, John Paul in particular was a spectacular man. His actions and words gave hope and influenced so many lives. A very holy and incredible man; he will be missed. I do not however believe i have to go through him to pray to my God.

-Kevin

Another quick comment: Lutheranism (by this I mean Luther's purpose for the Reformation, not modern Lutheranism necessarily) came about mainly from Luther actually reading the texts of scripture, and adopting the code of "Sola Scriptura," or Scripture Only, which meant anything not explicitly defined in Scripture (such as praying to Mary and the Saints, the sale of Indulgences, and prayers for the dead) was not necessary for salvation. Modern day Lutheran churches, if I recall correctly, do have close similarity with the Catholic rituals. By the way, in case anyone was confuesed, the Pseudepigraphal books (ones in the modern Catholic Bible and not in the Protestant translations) were added to the Canon much later than the rest of the books. Protestants did NOT omit these books, as may be claimed, they were never official canon (they actually conflict with the Gospels, and the Gospel of Thomas was most likey written ~200 years after the death of Christ).

 

[Giantsfan24]

To answer the "how could a loving God send someone to hell". God doesn't send any one. As one person said, the gates of hell are locked from the inside. 2 Peter 3:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3:9

Humanity chooses to sin and disobey God and then reject the provision he provides. God went out of His way to save us, now its up to us to decide whether to accept that gift.

But I also believe that those who have had no chance to accpet or reject the gospel will be judged according to the revelations given to them(such as cultures cut off from society for long periods of time). According to Romans 1, we have all have no excuse. Its just that some have recieved more knowledge than others.

About Lutheranism, I grew up in that church and while I agree with most of it, there are small issues I have with it. Overall though, there message lines up with mine. If you want a summary of my beliefs, go to http://www.Harvest.org or any calvary chapel website(started by chuck smith).

 

[spc hink]

First off, I am a Christian. Protestant, non-denominational. But I am also a man of science. I believe in evolution and the big bang. But I think that God did these things. I think that many Christians are closed minded and take the Bible too literally. In one of my classes, I had a teacher who was very conservative and we had a creation vs. evolution debate. He was very biased towards creation and when I said that I believed in both, he flat out told me that I was wrong. I then asked him if he was God or if God had touched him with all knowing powers. He was a cool teacher and didn't hold it against me though.

But I think that the ignorance runs on the other side of the bridge also. Many people denounce God without truly understanding him or what he is about. One of the problems with understanding Christianity is that there are many things that don't make sense and only God understands these things. I know this sounds like a get out of jail free card for Christians but that is just how the cookie crumbles.

In response to people only being Christian because of hell, I think there is much more to Christianity than that. The Bible is not a book to live by just so God doesn't roast your ass, but more of a "I wouldn't do that sh!t if I were you" guide. A lot of the stuff that is written in there makes sense. I am not going to defend Leviticus though. If you want a good laugh, read it. being Christian has its perks. If you are ever alone and want someone to talk to, God will listen and it won't even cost you minutes. Also, when ever I can't find my keys or wallets or something I say a little prayer and most of the time God hooks it up. Could just be a coincidence but it works for me.

I am just saying that you should do some more research into Christianity before thinking that we are all a bunch of close-minded Bible thumpers. I would love to have a discussion about this but without the trolls and people just posting witty one liners (I will admit that some of them were funny though) and if you read all of this I would like to thank you. Most posts this long I just skim but I thought that this thread was very interesting and worthy of my 1000th post.

 

[Stojakapimp]

First off, I don't understand how Protestants could sit there and claim that Catholics are not Christians. Absolutely ridiculous.

Secondly, as other people have mentioned, you either need to add Orthodox on that list or leave off denominations. You can't specify Christians and then leave out the oldest practicing sect

 

[Green Man]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: monk3y
Born half Hindu half Christian... Practice neither.

You aren't born into a religion.

LOL

It's by far the most common way to get into one. BY FAR.