Who's interested in the new Mustang SUV?

[ondma]

God that center display is fuuuuugly. Is it really so difficult to recess these things into the dash; they need to stick out like somebody duct-taped an iPad to the dash?

I agree it is ugly, same thing to a lesser degree on the Mazda 3, Altima, etc. OTOH, my Impreza has a screen totally contained in the dash, and it seems to limit space and location for the heating/AC ducts.

 

[ponyo]

i feel like this is a design exercise that someone said, release it now! we will figure out how to build it later.

such a copy of tesla. but hey, if you cant beat them, join them.

What if Ford actually joined Tesla and is using Tesla motor under the hood in this Mustang SUV? Maybe that’s why the design and specs are so similar to Tesla Model Y.

 

[ultimatebob]

What if Ford actually joined Tesla and is using Tesla motor under the hood in this Mustang SUV? Maybe that’s why the design and specs are so similar to Tesla Model Y.

I'd imagine that the car will be OK with or without Tesla's help. This isn't Ford's first electric car, and they've already built a few decent (not great, but decent) plug-in hybrid models already.

 

[zinfamous]

Zune vs iPod. I’m curious how close Zune, I mean Mach-E will be to the targeted spec. So far, production i-Pace, E-Tron, and Taycan have all missed the promised target battery ranges by good bit.

Ford started before all of them, however, and actually had set a "10-year E/Automated lineup" plan some time ago, so afaik, they aren't doing this to play catch-up to anyone. The only US automaker that wasn't struggling to pay back bailout money to the US for several years was Ford, and this is part of what they were doing wtih that time.

so...we'll see I guess.

 

[ponyo]

https://electrek.co/2019/10/07/ford...r-design-should-copy-charging-business-model/

 

[WhiteNoise]

I think it is pretty sweet looking. 0-60 in the 3s is pretty nice too. Using the name Mustang? Odd but not a big deal to me.

 

[Kaido]

Short of Apple Carplay, I bet their UI design will be the best on the market. Giant touchscreen, no home or back buttons, big physical knob. Love it!

 

[Brainonska511]

I think it is pretty sweet looking. 0-60 in the 3s is pretty nice too. Using the name Mustang? Odd but not a big deal to me.

At first glance, it looks okay. I'm not a big fan of SUVs to begin with - having lived in more densely populated areas, I'd rather have a small hatchback that's easier to park and carries what I need for 99% of the time. I'm also not a big fan of moving towards these big touch screens. It's okay to have a moderate-sized screen to display stuff, but give me some hard buttons that are easier to press by feel/memory when driving - don't throw out 70+ years of psychology research and button design because some tech bro thinks a touchscreen is the be-all-end-all of design.

I can see why they went with a Mustang branding though, given the likely buyer at this price point, a design supposedly inspired by the sports car, and it's 0-60 times. Definitely happy to see traditional automakers come out with more electric vehicles.

 

[Kaido]

At first glance, it looks okay. I'm not a big fan of SUVs to begin with - having lived in more densely populated areas, I'd rather have a small hatchback that's easier to park and carries what I need for 99% of the time. I'm also not a big fan of moving towards these big touch screens. It's okay to have a moderate-sized screen to display stuff, but give me some hard buttons that are easier to press by feel/memory when driving - don't throw out 70+ years of psychology research and button design because some tech bro thinks a touchscreen is the be-all-end-all of design.

I can see why they went with a Mustang branding though, given the likely buyer at this price point, a design supposedly inspired by the sports car, and it's 0-60 times. Definitely happy to see traditional automakers come out with more electric vehicles.

I wonder if they're going to expand on the Mustang IP, since they're done making cars other than the Mustang:

1. Electric SUV
2. Electric sports car
3. AWD sports car (hate to say it, but I'd buy one! winters here are brutal!)
4. 4-door sports car (Panamera-style)

I mean, they've hit the point where the new GT500 only comes in automatic because human reflexes simply can't keep up with the shifting required to hit the zero to 60 speeds, which is an amazing accomplishment in & of itself, but is also one of the big reasons why I bought a stick-shift Mustang & plan on keeping it forever & ever...the future is now, old man!

 

[zinfamous]

At first glance, it looks okay. I'm not a big fan of SUVs to begin with - having lived in more densely populated areas, I'd rather have a small hatchback that's easier to park and carries what I need for 99% of the time. I'm also not a big fan of moving towards these big touch screens. It's okay to have a moderate-sized screen to display stuff, but give me some hard buttons that are easier to press by feel/memory when driving - don't throw out 70+ years of psychology research and button design because some tech bro thinks a touchscreen is the be-all-end-all of design.

I can see why they went with a Mustang branding though, given the likely buyer at this price point, a design supposedly inspired by the sports car, and it's 0-60 times. Definitely happy to see traditional automakers come out with more electric vehicles.

Yes, I absolutely hate capacitive touch on displays--it is the last thing you want if you are concerned about safety and distraction related to all the gizmos that are being shoved into these car entertainment systems. And the giant display walls....I'm not trying to pretend to be a police officer, and I'm also still a bit wary of everything in my vehicle running through software this way, pushing firmware updates. ...which I know is a bit of an OK, Boomer moment because tech has been running under the hood like this for longer than we've had these giant screens, but these are still gadgets to me, that in my experience, have never been that dependable after 5 years or so

 

[KentState]

There are two glaring things that would keep me from buying it. 1) The Mustang name just ruins the car. Keep the mullet names to the original Mustang/Camaro vehicle and do something new. 2) The door handles are horrible. Having to push a button and then grab the sheet metal or a cheap looking handle is design for sake of design. I can see many smashed fingers, destroyed paint and frustration coming out of it.

Everything else makes me question getting a model Y, especially the inclusion of CarPlay. Also, compared to a Model Y performance, the GT after taxes will be nearly $10k less to purchase.

 

[rstrohkirch]

The range on this and the Model Y is still too short for me. I would opt for performance version and I would need a total range of at least 320mi during the winter. I'm sure in 3 years when my next lease is up they will be well into the mid 300s if not 400 range.

 

[Viper GTS]

At this point for me in order of interest:

Rivian R1T > Mustang Mach-E > Model Y

Lack of Android Auto/CarPlay on Tesla is a major omission as is the lack of satellite radio. Few do car electronics better than Ford (Sync 3 is great) and that is a major advantage in their favor vs Y. Tesla has resale value going for it though as nobody seems to want non Tesla EVs on the resale market.

Rivian is a very different price point but the R1T is what I'm probably waiting for. I would make an exception for a stupid cheap near $0 down EV lease like the Ioniq deals Hyundai has been running. At that price point it would pay for itself in gas savings alone (cover the lease cost + insuring a 4th vehicle). Could be an interesting stop-gap if I want to wait for the 800V Rivians.

Viper GTS

 

[FeuerFrei]

I guess this explains why GM is reviving the HUMMER - as an electric.
This - and Tesla's Model Y.

 

[Commodus]

At this point for me in order of interest:

Rivian R1T > Mustang Mach-E > Model Y

Lack of Android Auto/CarPlay on Tesla is a major omission as is the lack of satellite radio. Few do car electronics better than Ford (Sync 3 is great) and that is a major advantage in their favor vs Y. Tesla has resale value going for it though as nobody seems to want non Tesla EVs on the resale market.

Rivian is a very different price point but the R1T is what I'm probably waiting for. I would make an exception for a stupid cheap near $0 down EV lease like the Ioniq deals Hyundai has been running. At that price point it would pay for itself in gas savings alone (cover the lease cost + insuring a 4th vehicle). Could be an interesting stop-gap if I want to wait for the 800V Rivians.

Viper GTS

I absolutely understand your rankings and think you have a fair point... but of the bunch, I'd still probably get a Model Y.

The lack of CarPlay and Android Auto isn't great, but Tesla just seems to be ahead of some brands in key areas like battery performance and semi-autonomous tech. That and I'll be honest, the Model Y may be more practical for my partner and I -- it's more like a hopped-up car where the Mach-E and R1T are an SUV and truck respectively.

 

[Kaido]

The range on this and the Model Y is still too short for me. I would opt for performance version and I would need a total range of at least 320mi during the winter. I'm sure in 3 years when my next lease is up they will be well into the mid 300s if not 400 range.

I'm curious to see how Tesla is planning the 620-mile range on the Roadster 2.0. I'd love a 500+ mile EV range on a Model Y!

 

[Commodus]

I'm curious to see how Tesla is planning the 620-mile range on the Roadster 2.0. I'd love a 500+ mile EV range on a Model Y!

It's a combination of more efficient battery tech with, well, more battery -- 200kWh. You'd think it would be impossibly heavy, but that shouldn't be the case. It's expected that any improvements in the Roadster will filter down to the rest of the line (at least once it makes financial sense), so hopefully there'll be a day when you only have to worry about range when you're traveling particularly great distances.

 

[drnickriviera]

2) The door handles are horrible. Having to push a button and then grab the sheet metal or a cheap looking handle is design for sake of design. I can see many smashed fingers, destroyed paint and frustration coming out of it.

I think there is an article on Jalopnik now about the handles. Said you can't smash your fingers.

I can't find the article that a read a while back, but it talked about flush door handles. You'll see them more on EVs as it gained like 1-2% in efficiency. It never really mattered with a gas burner. When a gallon of gas is equal to around 30kwh, the evs need to get everything they can out of the battery. Although I don't understand why more mfgs dont offer heat pumps as standard

 

[pauldun170]

Mustang 4dr?
Seems legit

Is a pickup in the works?

 

[bigi]

Don't meat to shit at this parade, but actual specs/price will not be even close in real life.

Zero vertical integration - all EV components are from different contracted manufacturers. To manufacture this "LEGO" en mass and manage properly will not be easy.

It is okay 1st effort on paper from Ford, but let's wait until they sell 100K of those.

We have seen so many of etron, taycans, fiskers, ipeace. All are late, low volumes, non-existent and/or delayed.

 

[Ottonomous]

I am going to throw an old cummins diesel into my mustang to show dem goddamn libs

 

[Commodus]

Mustang 4dr?
Seems legit

Is a pickup in the works?

I'll say this, the Mustang Mach-E looks a helluva lot nicer to me than that four-door or the pickup. It may be clearly piggybacking on the Mustang name, but it's not just a 'stang with an extra opening or two.

 

[pauldun170]

I'll say this, the Mustang Mach-E looks a helluva lot nicer to me than that four-door or the pickup. It may be clearly piggybacking on the Mustang name, but it's not just a 'stang with an extra opening or two.

I owned a Probe GT.
I clearly don't care about car names or "legacy" BS.

If the wife wanted a replacement SUV in that segment Ford would be on the list of places to go.

Don't kids today debadge everything nowadays?
Who cares about the model name? If its a good car ....its a good car.

 

[Commodus]

I owned a Probe GT.
I clearly don't care about car names or "legacy" BS.

If the wife wanted a replacement SUV in that segment Ford would be on the list of places to go.

Don't kids today debadge everything nowadays?
Who cares about the model name? If its a good car ....its a good car.

Well, exactly! I'd rather have a well-designed car with questionable badging than a sub-par vehicle with an "appropriate" badge. We all know how the Mustang lost its way until the 2005 remake.

 

[ultimatebob]

I owned a Probe GT.
I clearly don't care about car names or "legacy" BS.

If the wife wanted a replacement SUV in that segment Ford would be on the list of places to go.

Don't kids today debadge everything nowadays?
Who cares about the model name? If its a good car ....its a good car.

I look at it this way... Twenty years from now, I'll tell people that I used to own a Mustang GT and they'll probably think that I owned one of these boring pieces of junk instead of something that was unique and cool.

Hell... It's already happened to the Mini Cooper that I used to own. That also used to be a cool and unique ride, until they also screwed up that brand by selling lameassed "Countryman" BMW SUV's under the same nameplate.

You were lucky... they discontinued your Probe GT before Ford decided to turn it into a Minivan or something equally uncool.