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wirednuts

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even onboard video cards are finally becoming faster then most people need. i agree, ssd's are what we all want right now. cpu's are far faster then needed for 95% of what we do, and a 4870 video card still plays 95% of games at full settings 1080p. the load times though... yeah....
 

RussianSensation

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i was talking about re5 which was the only game that i have played so far to check for differences... i am sure the more recent cpu demanding games will benefit.. i was referring to everyday usage and re5 gaming only... i see basically no difference from changing to a much faster cpu so far..

My performance in that game increased from 55 fps at 1920x1080 8AA to 118 fps at the same settings by going form Q6600 @ 3.4ghz to Core i7 860 @ 3.9ghz; Fixed DX10 benchmark using a 6970. That's 2x performance increase by only swapping the CPU. I was massively bottlenecked by an overclocked Q6600. That's not a surprise since Intel worked closely with Capcom to optimize this game for Core i architecture. RE5 is one of a few games that actually scales extremely well with i5/i7 over older architectures.

In your case, your framerates should have tripled coming from a dual core Opteron.

But don't take it from me (some random guy on a hardware website that keeps saying CPU performance matters). How about Tom's Hardware, a website which tests for a living?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/resident-evil-5,2409-11.html

Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz = 38.5 fps
Core 2 Quad 2.4ghz = 69.7 fps
Core i7 2.66ghz 2.66ghz = 122.5 fps

^^ All of these benches were done with an identical low-end (by today's standard) GTS250.

Your Opteron is slower than a Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz.

If you didn't "feel" any difference, that's because you probably find 30-40 fps to be smooth in FPS games (nothing wrong with that if that's your preference). But in reality, a modern system with a 6970 would have no problems getting 110-120 fps at the 1920x1080 8AA/16AF settings, while your Opteron would be getting < 45 fps. So let's not pretend the difference isn't there.
 
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Barfo

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Whenever I can get my hands on a CPU + Motherboard combo that performs like a 2500k for $300 or less. Decent mobo at that.

Perhaps next year.
 

Jhatfie

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I rarely have a issue justifying moderate hardware upgrades. For me it is a hobby and far cheaper than the thousands I used to spend racing motorcycles. Plus I sell my old hardware or trade out my son's computer or the HTPC if I feel inclined. For instance I sold my year and a half old i5-750 and motherboard for $210 and got my new i5-2500k and Z68 motherboard for $360+. $150 out of pocket is not cheap by any means, but I spend $160/mo on my cable bill and I get far more entertainment out of my computer. In 6-18 months I will upgrade again depending on if the itch is great enough or not. So my justification is the enjoyment I get from building/messing with new hardware and the extra performance, even if it is not a giant leap, is just the icing on the cake.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I rarely have a issue justifying moderate hardware upgrades. For me it is a hobby and far cheaper than the thousands I used to spend racing motorcycles. Plus I sell my old hardware or trade out my son's computer or the HTPC if I feel inclined. For instance I sold my year and a half old i5-750 and motherboard for $210 and got my new i5-2500k and Z68 motherboard for $360+. $150 out of pocket is not cheap by any means, but I spend $160/mo on my cable bill and I get far more entertainment out of my computer. In 6-18 months I will upgrade again depending on if the itch is great enough or not. So my justification is the enjoyment I get from building/messing with new hardware and the extra performance, even if it is not a giant leap, is just the icing on the cake.

Yeah, you can't discount the hobby-with-curiosity factor.

There was a time when I'd squeeze three to five years out of every new machine, keep the old ones for a while on a LAN. Now I have more than I need, and pass them on as hand-me-downs to the fam-damn-ily.

Also in those times of squeezing blood from stones, I was teaching programming in a Comp-Sci/Info-sys program to foreign grad students. My department chair once said "you can afford to build a new computer every year . . . . " But I never actually did that on a regular basis as I review the statistical time-series of builds I did for myself.

This time around, while I'd reasoned that my Q6600@3.0 Ghz would do for a few more years, there were two things in the back of my mind I might have analyzed more carefully: I HATE the motherboard, and there had been a glitch with Media Center causing occasional random crashes. It occurred infrequently enough that my efforts to cure it -- while ongoing -- lacked panic and urgency.

Now that I've ordered the parts and built the new Z68/i7-2600K, I thought I might at least have postponed for at least three more months.

And while playing "musical computer repairs" with my Bro's machine, the new build and my Q6600, I think I've found the problem with the glitch. Which I had to do anyway, if I were to pass it on to Bro in about four months.

But in the current economic times, your hobbies may give you pause as you think about being prepared for . . . whatever. . . .

Not too bad, though. I'm just a bit weary of living in a room where I need to step carefully around computers, cases, parts -- like Burt Munro of "The World's Fastest Indian," living and sleeping in a one-room motorcycle garage with a pot-belly stove used to forge experimental pistons . . .

If a grown-up occasionally feels like the four-year-old sauntering down the street with a big Hershey-bar and chocolate drooling down his chin, I suppose the computers are better than the Hershey bar. Which reminds me . . . . . I haven't had one in SOOO long! I think I'll count some pennies to prepare for the next gas-conserving grocery-run . . . .
 

jihe

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Whenever I can get my hands on a CPU + Motherboard combo that performs like a 2500k for $300 or less. Decent mobo at that.

Perhaps next year.

Doesn't microcenter already have deals like this?
 

dennilfloss

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Haven't bought any new game since I got my 955BE. Still playing Oblivion. Still not overclocking my CPU. I may just upgrade my graphic card when Skyrim is released in November but only if my 4870 1GB has problems with it at 1920x1200. For all I know, it might not be much more demanding than Oblivion with KTP3 textures.
 

sm625

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They really gouge you on the motherboard. It costs at least $350 to get a decent overclockable motherboard and a 2500k. Major rip off.
 

n7

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I can't justify it, but i continue to do so.

I presently have an i7 2600k.
Previously:
i7 970
i7 860
i7 750
And faaaaar too many s775 CPUs prior to those.

I've sadly lost most of my love of hardware lately though, so i think the upgrade pace will slow a lot in the coming years.
 

exar333

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They really gouge you on the motherboard. It costs at least $350 to get a decent overclockable motherboard and a 2500k. Major rip off.

Pretty cheap to me. I paid $300 for the 920 on launch day, you can get a MB +2500k for just a little more now.
 

exar333

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I can't justify it, but i continue to do so.

I presently have an i7 2600k.
Previously:
i7 970
i7 860
i7 750
And faaaaar too many s775 CPUs prior to those.

I've sadly lost most of my love of hardware lately though, so i think the upgrade pace will slow a lot in the coming years.

Same here. I am still rocking my i7 920 and have not needed to upgrade in almost 3 years now. I was thinking SB-E, but with that delayed, and only 6 cores announced, I may wait for IB-E 8C+ for my next build.

I WANT to be excited, but nothing is really exciting right now. It's a great time to build a SB system if you are coming from anything AMD or older Intel CPUs than Nehalem, but for us who built in the last couple years it is not all that tempting TBH.
 

nyker96

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Same here. I am still rocking my i7 920 and have not needed to upgrade in almost 3 years now. I was thinking SB-E, but with that delayed, and only 6 cores announced, I may wait for IB-E 8C+ for my next build.

I WANT to be excited, but nothing is really exciting right now. It's a great time to build a SB system if you are coming from anything AMD or older Intel CPUs than Nehalem, but for us who built in the last couple years it is not all that tempting TBH.

I think i7 920s are excellent investments considering going even to say Ivy won't get you so much more. You might get more if getting a 2011 skt 6 core or more. but any 4-core even the newer ones won't make you feel like such a big upgrade esp. you are doing 3,8ghz already. It's a great chip I think you can keep it another year or two.
 

RussianSensation

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They really gouge you on the motherboard. It costs at least $350 to get a decent overclockable motherboard and a 2500k. Major rip off.

A $350 Mobo + CPU that is faster than a $1000 990X for most tasks? How is that a ripoff? There isn't a single better performance CPU than the 2500k + mobo for $350 right now, or in the foreseeable future.

Either way, for 24/7 operation with safe voltages on air cooling, all 1155 mobos pretty much overclock the same since you are using the multiplier. A basic $130 S1155 mobo will let you do 4.7-4.8ghz on a 2500k. If you want exotic overclocking beyond 5.0ghz with very high VCore, you are probably using liquid cooling or better and don't care about spending $350 on a mobo alone.

Even during Core 2 Duo and i5/i7 (1st gen days), a $110-140 board would easily allow you to max out these CPUs on air cooling. The only time a mobo became of paramount importance in the last 5 years with respect to overclocking on the Intel side was with 45nm Penryn Quads. Those CPUs were extremely picky with high FSB overclocking.
 
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toyota

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They really gouge you on the motherboard. It costs at least $350 to get a decent overclockable motherboard and a 2500k. Major rip off.
$325 up front for my mobo and 2500k combo plus it has a $20 rebate. please explain to me how $305 would be a bad deal for a cpu that will kick butt for the next few years and a mobo that has pretty much any feature someone would want?
 
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yottabit

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lol, I hope nobody is stupid enough to buy the first bundle listed. they will be very unhappy trying to get their 1155 cpu to fit in that 1366 socket mobo.

Oh that's weird, it's definitely a typo because if you click the link for it it takes you to a Gigabyte 1155 mobo. Haha. This flyer is very outdated, I'm not sure if they still have bundles, but you can easily put a CPU+mobo together for under 300
 
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ensign_lee

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Whenever I can get my hands on a CPU + Motherboard combo that performs like a 2500k for $300 or less. Decent mobo at that.

Perhaps next year.

Keep your eye on microcenter's deals. I got my buddy at i5-2500k and a P67 UD3 for like $280 AFTER taxes and rebates.
 

Smartazz

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$350 for a good mobo and a 2500k is a good deal. It truly is an amazing chip, especially if you're upgrading from anything before first gen i7/i5. I can understand not wanting to pay $350, but it's a good value when you consider the performance you get.
 

BonzaiDuck

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$350 for a good mobo and a 2500k is a good deal. It truly is an amazing chip, especially if you're upgrading from anything before first gen i7/i5. I can understand not wanting to pay $350, but it's a good value when you consider the performance you get.

What's this talk about a good motherboard costing $350?

That sounds like the ASUS Maximus IV Extreme and Extreme-Z, the MSI "Big-Bang-Marshall," and a gaggle of last-season's X58 geese-for-geeks. So? You get a few extra features. During my last "year-of-Enthusiast-enthusiasm" [2007] I spent $350 on an LGA-775 motherboard, learning to regret it later. I picked up the next "half-gen" improvement on that board for less than $250, and it was several ways and dimensions better.

This time around in my "year-of-enthusiasm," I spent $209 on my Asus Z68-V-Pro.

So . . . I don't get it. But if you want to let go of some money, send it to MEEE!!
:biggrin:
 

Snakecharmed

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Doesn't microcenter already have deals like this?

The deals for a 2500K and a good motherboard are there. I paid $300 for an i5-2500K and a Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 two weeks ago at Micro Center and Gigabyte has an additional $15 mail-in rebate that runs until the end of the month. I was trying to wait out for Bulldozer because I do try to support AMD, but I gave up on that hope at the beginning of this month. The full of sound and fury signifying nothing [H] showcase for AMD last weekend proved that I made the right decision.

I didn't need any justification to upgrade my CPU. I've been using an AMD Athlon XP-M 2400+ overclocked to 2.4GHz for more than six years. That's a total of eight years between the time when my previous CPU and current CPU were each respectively considered top-shelf technology.

My previous desktop CPUs:
1996: Intel Pentium 166MHz
1999: Intel Celeron Mendocino Socket 370 366MHz overclocked to 525MHz
2001: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz overclocked to 1.46GHz
2005: AMD Athlon XP-M Barton 2400+ overclocked to 2.4GHz

I don't think many people in this thread, if any, have me beat on the biggest gap between CPUs.
 

BonzaiDuck

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BonzaiDuck, we were talking about a motherboard and 2500k COMBINED for $350.

Whoops -- my "bad." That's different. IF you can get a GOOD motherboard in the bundle, I'd guess that's "soch a dee-ull!! Soch a dee-ull!!"


My previous desktop CPUs:
1996: Intel Pentium 166MHz
1999: Intel Celeron Mendocino Socket 370 366MHz overclocked to 525MHz
2001: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz overclocked to 1.46GHz
2005: AMD Athlon XP-M Barton 2400+ overclocked to 2.4GHz

I don't think many people in this thread, if any, have me beat on the biggest gap between CPUs.

Definitely not diss-ing the AMD line. It's a gap in my experience. Last AMD I had was a faster replacement for the Intel 8088. But those were socket compatible. Probably before you're time, sonny!

But -- yeah -- those are some jumps there. First casualty to my experience was the Apple; I knew some people who had both an Intel-based and an Apple. Later -- what was it? Something called the K-9? -- I saw AMD moving forward, but I stuck with the Intel cores. Then -- the Dark Ages somewhere around the Pentium 4 Era, when AMD was surging ahead.
 
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toyota

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Whoops -- my "bad." That's different. IF you can get a GOOD motherboard in the bundle, I'd guess that's "soch a dee-ull!! Soch a dee-ull!!"
as I mentioned earlier my MSI board and 2500k were only $325 up front and will be $305 after MIR. my board certainly appears to be a pretty good board with many features.
 
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