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Ichiro wishes that he was as productive as Rickey Henderson. His highest WAR so far is at 7.2 and he's been at 4.8 - 5.5 for the last few seasons. Meanwhile, Rickey Henderson managed to put up WARs over 10 twice and was at or over 7.0 five times in his career.
I mean when you're using things like "higher strikeout rate when swinging at the ball" as a negative, that's when you know that you refuse to look at overall production and just have a pathetic argument.
This is a valid argument, if you're comparing both of their first 10 American years. Rickey had a better first 10 years offensively.
Ricky's best years were from age 21-31 (1980-1990) and his decline started in 1991. He was only good for 10 years. Ichiro started his American baseball career 6 years older and was still just as good defensively. Saying that Rickey was an "elite outfielder" is a joke and flat out lie. Elite fielders don't post lifetime dWAR's of 7.1, Ichiro will more than double it by the time it's said and done (he's at 12.7 now). And PS: many elite outfielders are leadoff men. Brett Gardner, Carl Crawford, and Shane Victorino come to mind.
You say "20 points in OBP is huge". Well, how does that compare to 50 points in average? You're a smart guy, right? You can't tell me that 20 OBP > 50 points in average, even for a leadoff hitter. You can't tell me that someone who led both the NL and AL in batting average over 10 years minus Pujols (1 % point) is not phenomenal in this day and age. You can't tell me that intentional walks don't mean anything, or batting with RISP. The bottom line is Rickey was a 1 tool player for 14 years, a 2/3 tool for 10, and Ichiro has been a 4 tool his entire career. There is greatness in longevity and Rickey was just a flash in the pan. Ichiro, when it's said and done, is 4X200 seasons away from being the all time hit king (including Japan's hits). Will you still say Rickey is the greatest in 2015 when Ichiro is the international hit king?