Who's the little c0cksucking fvcktard that signed me up for Spam and mailing lists?

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Specifically see these sections:

3. What Constitutes Injury to Reputation?

The plaintiff must establish proof of damage to reputation in order to recover any damages for mental anguish; see Gobin v. Globe Publishing Co., 232 Kan. 1, 649 P.2d 1239, 1244 (1982); Swanson v. American Hardware Mutual Ins. Co., 359 N.W.2d 705, 707 (Minn. App. 1984) (rev. denied) ("To establish a claim in a defamation action [plaintiff] must prove that the [defendant] made false and defamatory statements about them which injured their reputation.").

Evidence of plaintiff's poor reputation is generally admissible to mitigate damages. Davis v. Hamilton, 92 N.W. 512, 515 (Minn. 1902); Finklea v. Jacksonville Daily Progress, 742 S.W.2d 512, 517 (Tex. App. 1987). If an individual's reputation cannot be further damaged, a defamation suit serves no purpose, wastes judicial resources, and hinders First Amendment interests. Id.

The "libel-proof" plaintiff. A plaintiff is "libel-proof" when his reputation has been irreparably stained by prior publications. At the point the challenged statements are published, then, plaintiff's reputation is already so damaged that a plaintiff cannot recover more than nominal damages for subsequent defamatory statements. Marcone v. Penthouse Int'l Magazine for Men, 754 F.2d 1072, 1079 (3rd Cir. 1985).

However, a court will not dismiss a defamation action merely because the plaintiff already has a bad reputation. Schiavone Construction Co. v. Time, Inc., 646 F. Supp. 1511, 1516 (D.N.J. 1986), rev'd, 847 F.2d 1069, 1072-73 (3rd Cir. 1988). Finklea, 742 S.W.2d at 516 ("[E]ven the public outcast's remaining good reputation is entitled to protection.") Rather the statement upon which the defamation claim is based should relate to the same matters upon which the prior bad reputation was founded, or to substantially similar matters.

In extreme cases, a plaintiff's general reputation may be so bad that a court will hold a plaintiff libel-proof on all matters. For example, Charles Manson or Adolph Hitler could not be damaged by defamatory statements. Langston v. Eagle Publishing Co., 719 S.W.2d 612, 623 (Tex. App. 1986).




And this one:

C. The defendant knew or should have known that the
communication was false

Defamation allows recovery for unfair damage to reputation. As a consequence, if true statements are made about a person which damage their reputation, they cannot maintain a lawsuit.

This is a relatively recent development. One origin of libel and slander laws was a criminal cause of action by the English Crown used to silence its critics; hence, it was the truth of the alleged libel which provoked the lawsuit. However, as the right of free speech developed and gained support, the use of defamation to suppress true statements was rejected. Virtually all states today apparently require that the alleged defamatory statement be false before a defamation action may proceed.

For example, the Minnesota Supreme Court has held:

We hold that a private individual may recover actual damages for a defamatory publication upon proof that the defendant knew or in the exercise of reasonable care should have known that the defamatory statement was false. The conduct of defamation defendants will be judged on whether the conduct was that of a reasonable person under the circumstances.

Jadwin v. Minneapolis Star & Tribune Co., 367 N.W.2d 476, 491 (Minn. 1985). Other cases follow this reasoning. See LeDoux v. Northwest Publications, Inc., 521 N.W.2d 59, 67 (Minn. App. 1994) ("In order for a statement to be defamatory . . . it must be false."); Janklow v. Newsweek, Inc., 759 F.2d 644, 648 (8th Cir. 1985), cert. den., 479 U.S. 883 (1987) ("Libel, by definition, consists of publication of a false and unprivileged fact.").

However, the U.S. Supreme Court has expressly reserved the question of whether the U.S. Constitution requires purely private defamation plaintiffs to prove falsity in all cases. See Philadelphia Newspapers, Inc. v. Hepps, 476 U.S. 767, 779 n.4 (1986). In other words, there may be no constitutional barrier if a particular state wishes to allow defamation actions even for true statements.

How false is false? The test is whether the alleged defamatory statement as a whole is true or false. Minor inaccuracies are not subject to defamation claims if the overall substance of the statement is true. "The plaintiff cannot succeed in meeting the burden of proving falsity by showing that only that the statement is not literally true in every detail. If the statement is true in substance, inaccuracies of expression or detail are immaterial." Jadwin, supra, 390 N.W.2d at 441.

No Defamation by Implication. Failure to report all the facts may lead to a defamatory conclusion by the reader. But unless the overall substance of the statement can be proven false, no defamation claim will arise. "[T]he cause of action known as defamation by implication . . . is not recognized in Minnesota." Kortz v. Midwest Communications, Inc., 20 Media Law Rep. (BNA) 1860, 1865 (Ramsey County Dist. Ct. 1992). A public official may not maintain a defamation by implication claim. Diesen v. Hessberg, 455 N.W.2d 446, 451 (Minn. 1990).


D. Negligence Is Standard Of Liability

In Minnesota, the defendant is liable if it "knew or should have known in the exercise of reasonable care" that the defamatory statement was false. Jadwin, supra. This is the standard formulation for liability based on negligence, that is, liability arising from failure to take due care.

This is a low standard of liability. However, First Amendment considerations substantially limit the application of this standard.


 

BruinEd03

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Millenium...you do realize I know about libel/slander right? And have you actually read the thing? You would be guilty if it injured the person's reputation and the allegations were not truthful. Though I suppose your defense could go something like this:

"I am such an asshat on ATOT that no one really takes me seriously anyways."

You would have a strong chance of winning on that grounds, actually.

-Ed
 

Walleye

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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: schizoid
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: schizoid
Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Originally posted by: Millennium
You little passive aggressive pussy! Obviously you are scared to say what you really want to say to me. I have PMs enabled and I have an e-mail address, yet you are such a little scaredy cat that you fvcking sign me up for spam and mailing lists instead. Fvck you asshole! Are you three years old? I have my suspicions on who did it. Namely Spac3d, the little redneck trolls that have been arguing with me, and whoever else has a major case of being a fvcking PUSSY.

WHAT THE FVCK is your problem? Can't you face someone if you have a disagreement with them? Is that the best you can do? Half the damn things you signed me up for automatically remove you if you don't reply. The other half were easy to remove myself from. Do it again and I WILL e-mail the list owners and get your IP and I will SUE your ass.

The reason I am almost positive it is Spac3ed, is that his DUMBASS put in his own zipcode, in the profile of one of the mailing list groups. Mods, I will be happy to provide screenshots or whatever information you need to perma-ban his ass.

The zip code he used is: 45875 which is in Ohio... now it might not be him but I don't know of any other pricks that live in Ohio that act like a three year old. :| :| :| :| :| :| :|

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*raises hand* it was me. Whatcha gonna do about it?

-Ed

Well, if it were you, there would be several options. You could be a man and fess up and stop being an ass. I could sue you or beat your ass.

Didn't I just fess up? or can you not read? Now what you gonna do about it?

-Ed

I'll tell you what he's gonna do: jack shizzle.

Can't prove a damn thing without an IP.

Which I am waiting on, but if Bruin Ed wants to admit to it, then I can contact his school and wait for the IP as additional proof. Most people don't admit to doing something they didn't do unless they are stupid or a fvcking moron.

Sorry to mmm...throw a little kink in your theory, but hypotheticaly I mean just purely hypothetical...suppose the perpetrator had *gosh darnit* DSL instead of using a school network. But no, that's not the point of this hoopla either. Care to take another crack at it?

-Ed

What does it matter if you are using their network or not? You are still using their e-mail system, so if they got a subpoena they would have to release your last updated personal info.

I thought you were in law school? They must not have covered civil law yet.

Actually...if you sign up someone for spam, you don't really need to use your email address. You just enter the person's email address. I thought you passed kindergarten? They must not have covered little kiddie thoughts yet.

-Ed

I think it was me.

I did it.

PS: I just don't like the idea of people acting like complete morons on ATOT and not being a part of it. Sorta like back in the day, where it just felt weird to have an idtiotic opinion and not find Grasshopper27 in the middle of it.

So, yeah, it was me. I signed you up for spam.

Sorry.

Then WHY did you sign me up??

He didn't. Neither one of them did. They are both trying to say that anyone could have done it, and that we were spammed because of something we did/said. Regardless, spamming someone is a pretty passive thing to do when you could just PM or e-mail them with your anger.



Stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm not trying to say anything.

I'm trying to make a general nuisance of myself, as per usual.

If I am trying to say something, it's more to the effect of "hey...every time someone posts something completely useless and retarded on ATOT, it seems like Schizoid's there."

I'd like to think I'm ATOT's Abassador of Retardedness.

But, I guess I was trying to make a point.

That point?

I like toast.
Try french toast
Mmm...french toast is good.


these quotes are pretty
 

Buddhist

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Yes, but damages can be of various forms. People talking gossip about him, etc. Though it is not a slam dunk case, I would say there is a shot by the other party at the very least. 100 times better than Millenium's suit against me, at least. But then again that's not saying much since Millenium really has no case against me.

-Ed[/quote]

Just out of curiosity... doesn't a self confession of "I did it" consitute enough support for further inquiry legally? And just like you said, anyone could have signed up from any library or hell, even a proxy server, so the strongest evidence in this case would be a confession. I'm not trying to jump in this argument, but i'm just curious.

-M.T.O
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: BruinEd03

<sigh> You do realize that accusations such as yours without reasonable basis (and no...I thought he did...or he was mean to me...does not constitute reasonable basis) is grounds for defamation right? You're only savior would be if you got it right as truth is an absolute defense against lible. However, since you seem to believe my confession, you'd better hope that person doesn't learn from you and get lawsuit happy.

I just wanted to point out the irony of a law student misspelling libel.
 

Buddhist

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Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Millenium...you do realize I know about libel/slander right? And have you actually read the thing? You would be guilty if it injured the person's reputation and the allegations were not truthful. Though I suppose your defense could go something like this:

"I am such an asshat on ATOT that no one really takes me seriously anyways."
You would have a strong chance of winning on that grounds, actually.

-Ed

Wow.

Touche

 

schizoid

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Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Millenium...you do realize I know about libel/slander right? And have you actually read the thing? You would be guilty if it injured the person's reputation and the allegations were not truthful. Though I suppose your defense could go something like this:

"I am such an asshat on ATOT that no one really takes me seriously anyways."

You would have a strong chance of winning on that grounds, actually.

-Ed

Keep me out of this.
 

PlatinumGold

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and in the end bruined you made yourself look pretty foolish and to what end??

do you think your tirade in this thread will reduce by even the SMALLEST amount the number of RANTS that will get posted here daily??



or are you just trying to show off your learning??

either way, your just an asshat in this thread as far as i'm concerned.
 

BruinEd03

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Originally posted by: Buddhist
Yes, but damages can be of various forms. People talking gossip about him, etc. Though it is not a slam dunk case, I would say there is a shot by the other party at the very least. 100 times better than Millenium's suit against me, at least. But then again that's not saying much since Millenium really has no case against me.

-Ed

Just out of curiosity... doesn't a self confession of "I did it" consitute enough support for further inquiry legally? And just like you said, anyone could have signed up from any library or hell, even a proxy server, so the strongest evidence in this case would be a confession. I'm not trying to jump in this argument, but i'm just curious.

-M.T.O[/quote]

Yah he can try to have an inquiry on his own dime and time. I would actually invite such an inquiry. I actually have nothing to hide, but hey it's his $ that he's pissing away.

-Ed
 

Mill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Millenium...you do realize I know about libel/slander right? And have you actually read the thing? You would be guilty if it injured the person's reputation and the allegations were not truthful. Though I suppose your defense could go something like this:

"I am such an asshat on ATOT that no one really takes me seriously anyways."

You would have a strong chance of winning on that grounds, actually.

-Ed

If you do then why did you make such ridiculous statements? You said he had a case. Read the law and you will see he didn't.

Especially since what I actually said:

"The reason I am almost positive it is Spac3ed, is that his DUMBASS put in his own zipcode"

"I have my suspicions on who did it. Namely Spac3d, the little redneck trolls that have been arguing with me, and whoever else has a major case of being a fvcking PUSSY."


No 100% positive declaration was made that Spac3d was the culprit, nor was there an attempt to defame him based on falsehoods. Evidence at hand suggested the suspicion of him, so that is exactly what I posted. Notice what I bolded and you will see that I never made an accusation, but rather stated WHAT evidence led to the creation of a list of suspects. Then I listed the most likely list of suspects and went from there.

You obviously have very little idea about libel and slander, so I suggest you read up on them before taking the bar.

There is a reason people are allowed to make a hypothesis about which party did something to them. That is not defamation in any certain way. I would now politely suggest you shut the fvck up considering you don't know what you are talking about.
 

BruinEd03

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
and in the end bruined you made yourself look pretty foolish and to what end??

do you think your tirade in this thread will reduce by even the SMALLEST amount the number of RANTS that will get posted here daily??



or are you just trying to show off your learning??

either way, your just an asshat in this thread as far as i'm concerned.

Eh...I know...it's stupid to argue with this guy...but sometimes you just gotta take one for the team. My bad. =/

-Ed <-- Knows that you shouldn't argue with Millenium's because he'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.
 

Fudssa

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:camera:s? I've seen people get angry over trivial matters before but no blood vessels burst.
Still photos would be fine but a high res video clip would be better.
 

Mill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Originally posted by: Buddhist
Yes, but damages can be of various forms. People talking gossip about him, etc. Though it is not a slam dunk case, I would say there is a shot by the other party at the very least. 100 times better than Millenium's suit against me, at least. But then again that's not saying much since Millenium really has no case against me.

-Ed

Just out of curiosity... doesn't a self confession of "I did it" consitute enough support for further inquiry legally? And just like you said, anyone could have signed up from any library or hell, even a proxy server, so the strongest evidence in this case would be a confession. I'm not trying to jump in this argument, but i'm just curious.

-M.T.O

Yah he can try to have an inquiry on his own dime and time. I would actually invite such an inquiry. I actually have nothing to hide, but hey it's his $ that he's pissing away.

-Ed[/quote]

Please pull out Ohio State law and show to me how my statements could be construed to defame spac3d. I am sure you will say you don't have the time, but go ahead and humor me and do it. Otherwise it suggests you don't really know as much as you claim. Defamation requires a LOT of things to be fulfilled. Putting someone on a list of suspects and giving evidence to further suspect said person is not a reasonable case of defamation. Please, attempt to prove me otherwise so I can laugh in your face.
 

BruinEd03

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Originally posted by: Fudssa
:camera:s? I've seen people get angry over trivial matters before but no blood vessels burst.
Still photos would be fine but a high res video clip would be better.

Hm...I'm actually pretty calm...seeing as how my mailbox already has a healthy dose of spam (and thus I can't distinguish even if someone does sign me up for spam).

-Ed
 

Mill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
and in the end bruined you made yourself look pretty foolish and to what end??

do you think your tirade in this thread will reduce by even the SMALLEST amount the number of RANTS that will get posted here daily??



or are you just trying to show off your learning??

either way, your just an asshat in this thread as far as i'm concerned.

Eh...I know...it's stupid to argue with this guy...but sometimes you just gotta take one for the team. My bad. =/

-Ed <-- Knows that you shouldn't argue with Millenium's because he'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

Or maybe I beat you because you are sitting back attempting to post about stuff you haven't learned yet. Please, prove me wrong or shut the fvck up.

 

BruinEd03

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Originally posted by: Buddhist
Yes, but damages can be of various forms. People talking gossip about him, etc. Though it is not a slam dunk case, I would say there is a shot by the other party at the very least. 100 times better than Millenium's suit against me, at least. But then again that's not saying much since Millenium really has no case against me.

-Ed

Just out of curiosity... doesn't a self confession of "I did it" consitute enough support for further inquiry legally? And just like you said, anyone could have signed up from any library or hell, even a proxy server, so the strongest evidence in this case would be a confession. I'm not trying to jump in this argument, but i'm just curious.

-M.T.O

Yah he can try to have an inquiry on his own dime and time. I would actually invite such an inquiry. I actually have nothing to hide, but hey it's his $ that he's pissing away.

-Ed

Please pull out Ohio State law and show to me how my statements could be construed to defame spac3d. I am sure you will say you don't have the time, but go ahead and humor me and do it. Otherwise it suggests you don't really know as much as you claim. Defamation requires a LOT of things to be fulfilled. Putting someone on a list of suspects and giving evidence to further suspect said person is not a reasonable case of defamation. Please, attempt to prove me otherwise so I can laugh in your face.[/quote]

I never said it would be a slam dunk. And no, it is not worth my time to look up Ohio State law. It is not worth it to prove to you otherwise, rather, I'll just enjoy the scenery from here. Chances of you getting sued? Admittedly slim to zero (for various factor, namely it is beneath said person's dignity to waste his time on you). Though, I see how you like to try to argue every point regardless of whether it has any direct bearing on your point. My point and I think everyone else's point here is that:

You, Millenium, are an Asshat.

Do you understand this? I really don't know what you've done before (and really, I don't care all that much), but to go and blatantly accuse someone based on a zip code is pretty lame.

-Ed

 

Mill

Lifer
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Well if you don't care Bruin then why do you keep posting? If you are going to argue the entire time, there should be no out in which you say you don't care and you are going to stop.

Sounds like you are tired of me proving your assertions wrong.

Here is the Ohio law for you, and I obtained it from the Ohio State Bar:

Q.: What about me? Can I get in trouble for saying something about someone that isn't true?
A.: In some cases, yes. Individuals, not just the media, can be held liable for defamation if they either publish (libel) or say (slander) something about someone that isn't true and that person suffers harm as a result. If you defame a private individual, that person would have to be able to prove: 1) that you made a statement, reported as fact, to another person; 2) that the statement was false; 3) that the statement caused damage to that person; and 4) that you were negligent in making that statement. If you defame a public figure (such as a celebrity or member of government, for example), that person will have to prove: 1) that you made a statement to another person, reported as fact; 2) that the statement was false and caused damage; and 3) that you made the statement with actual malice-that is, with knowledge that the statement was false or with reckless disregard as to whether the statement was false or not.

Remember, however, that you cannot be held liable for voicing your opinion, only for making untrue factual assertions.[/b]

1. I didn't report anything as fact.
2. No proof my statement is false.
3. I wasn't negligent
4. No malice and there was no reckless disregard or anyway to know if the statement was false.

Go sit in your corner.

 

Mill

Lifer
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Are you going to address the points, or continue to use ad-hominem, and other fallacious ways to get out of having a discourse with me?

 

BruinEd03

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Well if you don't care Bruin then why do you keep posting? If you are going to argue the entire time, there should be no out in which you say you don't care and you are going to stop.

Sounds like you are tired of me proving your assertions wrong.

Here is the Ohio law for you, and I obtained it from the Ohio State Bar:

Q.: What about me? Can I get in trouble for saying something about someone that isn't true?
A.: In some cases, yes. Individuals, not just the media, can be held liable for defamation if they either publish (libel) or say (slander) something about someone that isn't true and that person suffers harm as a result. If you defame a private individual, that person would have to be able to prove: 1) that you made a statement, reported as fact, to another person; 2) that the statement was false; 3) that the statement caused damage to that person; and 4) that you were negligent in making that statement. If you defame a public figure (such as a celebrity or member of government, for example), that person will have to prove: 1) that you made a statement to another person, reported as fact; 2) that the statement was false and caused damage; and 3) that you made the statement with actual malice-that is, with knowledge that the statement was false or with reckless disregard as to whether the statement was false or not.

Remember, however, that you cannot be held liable for voicing your opinion, only for making untrue factual assertions.[/b]

1. I didn't report anything as fact.
2. No proof my statement is false.
3. I wasn't negligent
4. No malice and there was no reckless disregard or anyway to know if the statement was false.

Go sit in your corner.

Sounds like you need a hug tonoight. *hug*!

Don't worry...despite your Asshated nature, we still love you!!

-Ed
 

Mill

Lifer
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Oh, and to address your earlier unwarranted attack, I am only a asshat to those who deserve it. Obviously, you have been deserving quite a few times...
 

BruinEd03

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Oh, and to address your earlier unwarranted attack, I am only a asshat to those who deserve it. Obviously, you have been deserving quite a few times...

*hug*!!

-Ed
 

Mill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BruinEd03
Originally posted by: Millennium
Well if you don't care Bruin then why do you keep posting? If you are going to argue the entire time, there should be no out in which you say you don't care and you are going to stop.

Sounds like you are tired of me proving your assertions wrong.

Here is the Ohio law for you, and I obtained it from the Ohio State Bar:

Q.: What about me? Can I get in trouble for saying something about someone that isn't true?
A.: In some cases, yes. Individuals, not just the media, can be held liable for defamation if they either publish (libel) or say (slander) something about someone that isn't true and that person suffers harm as a result. If you defame a private individual, that person would have to be able to prove: 1) that you made a statement, reported as fact, to another person; 2) that the statement was false; 3) that the statement caused damage to that person; and 4) that you were negligent in making that statement. If you defame a public figure (such as a celebrity or member of government, for example), that person will have to prove: 1) that you made a statement to another person, reported as fact; 2) that the statement was false and caused damage; and 3) that you made the statement with actual malice-that is, with knowledge that the statement was false or with reckless disregard as to whether the statement was false or not.

Remember, however, that you cannot be held liable for voicing your opinion, only for making untrue factual assertions.[/b]

1. I didn't report anything as fact.
2. No proof my statement is false.
3. I wasn't negligent
4. No malice and there was no reckless disregard or anyway to know if the statement was false.

Go sit in your corner.

Sounds like you need a hug tonoight. *hug*!

Don't worry...despite your Asshated nature, we still love you!!

-Ed

I am going to keep bumping this thread every day until you answer how I would have fufilled the bolded statements. You are trying to get yourself out of this by going off-topic or using fallacies. Please, Bruin, answer the questions or admit you were wrong.
 
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