Who's the terrorist now?

[SparkyJJO]

I wouldn't say that ALL muslims are terrorists, but it appears that a lot of terrorist groups are composed of Muslims. There are 2 types of muslims - radical and non-radical, and it is the radical ones that are usually terrorist.

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

:roll: where did you get those statistics? ten thousand? True, American soldiers have killed civilians, but I don't see any way that they have killed that many! They are not doing it for the fun of it either, and any that have died are mostly caused by accident (i.e. when they get caught in crossfire). You've just been eating what the liberal media has been feeding you and want you to believe. The media NEVER reports anything good I've noticed. Do you have any clue how many Iraqi police are marching side-by-side with our troops? Or how many Iraqis have showered our troops with gratitude? It is the RADICALS who are fighting us, who are mad that Saddam was taken down.
I guess you would have preferred if we stayed out of Iraq and let Saddam continue murdering people :roll:

 

[SparkyJJO]

oops, double post..........

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor
Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

hahaha, thats like saying "why do some liberals (like Conjur) feel that they have to constantly say something anti-Bush administration while neocons (like CSG) feel that they have to constantly say something pro-Bush administration.

Why do you have nothing to say about with what I said? Or contribute anything intelligent to this thread? Do you have something against Islam/Muslims as well?

You are a troll.

Ban.

You constantly make personal attacks against other members. It is you that needs to be banned.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Ahh yes, iraquis must be up on their history, like the time we took over Iraq (the 1st time), Somolia, Korea, Vietnam, and all of our WWII territory, Japan and half of europe are US states you know. 513 stars and 13 stripes for ever.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
I wouldn't say that ALL muslims are terrorists, but it appears that a lot of terrorist groups are composed of Muslims. There are 2 types of muslims - radical and non-radical, and it is the radical ones that are usually terrorist.

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

:roll: where did you get those statistics? ten thousand? True, American soldiers have killed civilians, but I don't see any way that they have killed that many! They are not doing it for the fun of it either, and any that have died are mostly caused by accident (i.e. when they get caught in crossfire). You've just been eating what the liberal media has been feeding you and want you to believe. The media NEVER reports anything good I've noticed. Do you have any clue how many Iraqi police are marching side-by-side with our troops? Or how many Iraqis have showered our troops with gratitude? It is the RADICALS who are fighting us, who are mad that Saddam was taken down.
I guess you would have preferred if we stayed out of Iraq and let Saddam continue murdering people :roll:

Ok, go to bbcnews.com. They have reports suggestion over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND dead since the war started and have attributed most civilian deaths to the coalition troops.

Stop trying to twist this unjust war to the liberation theme. It has been tried and failed. You dont have "radicals" killing over 1000 of our best trained, best equipped forces.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Ahh yes, iraquis must be up on their history, like the time we took over Iraq (the 1st time), Somolia, Korea, Vietnam, and all of our WWII territory, Japan and half of europe are US states you know. 513 stars and 13 stripes for ever.

emm, so you're denying we are an occupation force in Iraq? Last time I check, our President, our military and the administration in general has termed that we are the OCCUPYING POWER in Iraq. Next time, please be informed about what you're talking about.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor
Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

hahaha, thats like saying "why do some liberals (like Conjur) feel that they have to constantly say something anti-Bush administration while neocons (like CSG) feel that they have to constantly say something pro-Bush administration.

Why do you have nothing to say about with what I said? Or contribute anything intelligent to this thread? Do you have something against Islam/Muslims as well?

You are a troll.

Ban.

You constantly make personal attacks against other members. It is you that needs to be banned.

Outrageous posts like this which invite me to respond and participate in an off-topic discussion with you makes you a troll. It is you that needs to be banned.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Ahh yes, iraquis must be up on their history, like the time we took over Iraq (the 1st time), Somolia, Korea, Vietnam, and all of our WWII territory, Japan and half of europe are US states you know. 513 stars and 13 stripes for ever.

emm, so you're denying we are an occupation force in Iraq? Last time I check, our President, our military and the administration in general has termed that we are the OCCUPYING POWER in Iraq. Next time, please be informed about what you're talking about.

No, youre right, we're keeping it.

BLOOD FOR OIL BLOOD FOR OIL!

We'll call it, america 2.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Ahh yes, iraquis must be up on their history, like the time we took over Iraq (the 1st time), Somolia, Korea, Vietnam, and all of our WWII territory, Japan and half of europe are US states you know. 513 stars and 13 stripes for ever.

emm, so you're denying we are an occupation force in Iraq? Last time I check, our President, our military and the administration in general has termed that we are the OCCUPYING POWER in Iraq. Next time, please be informed about what you're talking about.

No, youre right, we're keeping it.

BLOOD FOR OIL BLOOD FOR OIL!

We'll call it, america 2.

Good, now the next step in your realization should be that we are the "terrorists" as perceived by Iraqis, making us as bad as those who attacked us.

And after that, you should recognize that the people who wrong never succeed. When America was wronged, it fought back emphatically. Now we have committed a wrong, we will never win in Iraq.

 

[Acanthus]

Yes, we walk the streets gunning down civilians and waving crosses at them.

Its all covered up by american media so no one sees it.

If they keep resisting we'll just let the nukes fly and drill for oil through the glass.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor
Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

hahaha, thats like saying "why do some liberals (like Conjur) feel that they have to constantly say something anti-Bush administration while neocons (like CSG) feel that they have to constantly say something pro-Bush administration.

Why do you have nothing to say about with what I said? Or contribute anything intelligent to this thread? Do you have something against Islam/Muslims as well?

You are a troll.

Ban.

You constantly make personal attacks against other members. It is you that needs to be banned.

Outrageous posts like this which invite me to respond and participate in an off-topic discussion with you makes you a troll. It is you that needs to be banned.

a troll is not someone who points out another's personal attacks. a troll is someone who posts incendiary threads, insults people randomly, and bring no value to the forums. basically - YOU. I say again, you should be given a vacation. you are one of the most ignorate hatemongers on this site.

 

[Metron]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Metron

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Yolner
99% of terrorist acts in the last few years commited by muslims.... What other facts do you need?

99%? Show me proof. Define terrorism. Thanks.

stop talking if you have no proof or facts. What university are you trying to get into? Radford? You have no brains, seriously. I told you kids need to go to kidsPnN.com. Where is your buttbuddy Trente to come defend you?

I could careless about the world. We see lots of terrorism in the United States don't we. Every single day. Damn these Muslims. Kick them out.

Aimster,

You could care less? So you do care then about how Muslims are perceived by the rest of the world... *smirk*

If you're going to use cliches, get them right... e.g. "I couldn't (or could NOT) care less."

My point: what I do see missing from most Muslim perspectives is that they don't acknowledge that members of THEIR religion have stepped over the line. Instead you offer statements like "..19 Arabs..." not 19 Muslims were responsible for the 9/11 attack. You won't accept or even acknowledge any responsibility that a Muslim is at fault. Why is that?

Maybe that's a cultural difference between Christians and Muslims, but I find it highly disheartening. Americans were saddened and disheartened by the actions of the military at Abu Grabe, and we didn't start spouting excuses like: "But they were not Americans..." or "But they were not Christians...". We accept and acknowledge that mistakes were made, and we're trying to hold those responsible to be accountable for their actions.

My question to you and the OP is: Why can't Muslims do the same?

Metron

emm, I care for both Palestinian and Israeli people. I believe no human life is worth not being cared about, even if it is bin Laden or President Bush. My care for human life does not exempt these people from being punished for their crimes.

19 PEOPLE were responsible for 9/11. On the flip side, the majority of USA is responsible for Iraq. Over 150000 soldiers are present in Iraq. Their action is terrorism, which because it is unlawful and done for ideological and political purposes. However, you and others like you continue to condemn a population of 1.2 billion Muslims for the actions of 19 people. The list of Islam/Muslim bashers on this forum is short, but nonetheless very vocal. On the contrary, there are quite a number of Muslims on this forum who do not bash Christianity, Judaism or any other religion, even though each of them have their fair share of extremists.

Your last paragraph claims the soldiers were punished for Abu Gharib. I believe a total of 8 soldiers were punished. That is not accoutability. Accountability would be when we punish Mr. Bush, Mr. Rumsfield and Mr. Cheney for the action in Iraq. Many Muslim nations are fighting aggressively against terror and terrorists. These nations include Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc. Similarly, in my opinion, Iraqis are also fighting against terror.

My question to you is why do you not accept that Muslims are on the receiving end of terror in the past 20 years with over a million deaths, and continue to blame Muslims for terrorist actions?

I'll grant to you that a million Muslims have died, but that doesn't give the Muslim faith license to continue suicide bombings and terrorist attacks.

You support my contention with your own argument! Thank you. The many Muslim nations you list are working vigorously against terrorists, because Muslims as a culture EMBRACE terrorism as a political tool. The civilized world does not embrace terrorism. If Muslims, as a culture, would like to advance into the civilized world, Muslims need to eliminate sources of terrorism WITHIN THEIR OWN CULTURE.

Yes, I continue to hold ALL Muslims accountable, because you continue to try to have it both ways. You continue to claim 19 "people" (again not accepting that they were all Muslims) were responsible for 9/11. Then you later post "...Al-Qaeda has a total of 15000 members...", which is it (19, 15000, or all Muslims)? How can a fundamentalist religion that instills a philosophy of hated in it's youth not be held accountable when the culture directs intefadah and jihad against a country like the US?

I ask you again (since you didn't answer in your previous post), why is it that Americans can accept that we've made mistakes, and yet Muslims continue to deny that their own culture creates extremist individuals responsible for terrorism?

 

[EDoG2K]

Good post, Sultan, but I'm afraid you lost the moral high ground falling into the trap of personal attacks and trolling and trying to reply to every response, relevant or not.

Here's the main point as I see it:

Not all muslims are terrorist, so the American people shouldn't assume if someone is muslim he/she is a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. Right now the Americans have a very abrasive foreign policy due to the "Bush Doctrine", so more and more formerly law-abiding/freedom loving muslims are being alienated from the US and becoming more sympathetic to the 'terrorist' causes.

As for who is the terrorist, certain muslim factions use terrorism as a political tool and that is their way of furthering their agenda. They have certain resources and it is how they wage war; it is unfair and naive to expect Al-Queda/other organizations to face the US/Isreal head on in a conventional war.

I don't know if I would call the US a 'terrorist' in Iraq, but we are certainly killing people, and that is a problem. Especially when we never should be there to begin with. Terrorists? No, not really. Hostile occupying foreign invaders? Yup.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Metron
I'll grant to you that a million Muslims have died, but that doesn't give the Muslim faith license to continue suicide bombings and terrorist attacks.

You support my contention with your own argument! Thank you. The many Muslim nations you list are working vigorously against terrorists, because Muslims as a culture EMBRACE terrorism as a political tool. The civilized world does not embrace terrorism. If Muslims, as a culture, would like to advance into the civilized world, Muslims need to eliminate sources of terrorism WITHIN THEIR OWN CULTURE.

Yes, I continue to hold ALL Muslims accountable, because you continue to try to have it both ways. You continue to claim 19 "people" (again not accepting that they were all Muslims) were responsible for 9/11. Then you later post "...Al-Qaeda has a total of 15000 members...", which is it (19, 15000, or all Muslims)? How can a fundamentalist religion that instills a philosophy of hated in it's youth not be held accountable when the culture directs intefadah and jihad against a country like the US?

I ask you again (since you didn't answer in your previous post), why is it that Americans can accept that we've made mistakes, and yet Muslims continue to deny that their own culture creates extremist individuals responsible for terrorism?

Another Islamophic person who continues to demonstrate how Americans like him always have needed a common enemy and have held themselves hostage to the administrations scare tactics.

The Muslim faith does NOT condone, nor continue terrorist bombings or suicide attacks against civilian targets. If a suicide attack is against a person wearing an army uniform, that in no way is a terrorist attack. This is a reply to your first contention.

The Muslim nations are working against terrorists and NOT Muslims. Thank you for making yourself sound stupid. Thats a reply to your second contention. There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. If they all acted out to your claims, the world would be in a complete different state.

Your third contention just goes on to show your anti-Islam nature. Only 19 people were responsible for 9/11. Not 15000 members of Al-Qaeda were responsible. Not all Muslims are responsible. The religion does not instill hatred. You have no knowledge about the religion. Intefadah means uprising and has nothing to with Islam. You have no knowledge about the concept of Jihad.

Now lets answer your last stupid question. All Muslims have condemned terrorists and terrorist acts, including 9/11, the Beslan tragedy, etc, etc. They continue to root out the bad elements from the society. They have apprehended these criminals and have punished them.

Now I will ask you a question since I have answered all of yours:

Why are you so Islamophobic when the army of this very nation is committing terrorism in Iraq, not with 19 people, not with 15000 but with 150000!!! I have already demonstrated how this invasion is a terrorist action. Recent reports have suggested almost 100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, and have laid the cause of these deaths on the coalition forces. Let me know when you come up with a proper response to that question.

Till then, you're another one of those who have evidently shown their bias and bigotry against others and continue to live under fear of one enemy or the other.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor
Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

hahaha, thats like saying "why do some liberals (like Conjur) feel that they have to constantly say something anti-Bush administration while neocons (like CSG) feel that they have to constantly say something pro-Bush administration.

Why do you have nothing to say about with what I said? Or contribute anything intelligent to this thread? Do you have something against Islam/Muslims as well?

You are a troll.

Ban.

I don't have anything further to say regarding your comments because you're just a troll looking for debate and no amount of reason will get beyond your extremely biased opinions. Plus, I've got better things to do with my time.

Your act is tired and the fact that you had to start another "Muslims vs. everyone else" thread just proves that point.

You are a troll and you should be banned. :thumbsdown:

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Good post, Sultan, but I'm afraid you lost the moral high ground falling into the trap of personal attacks and trolling and trying to reply to every response, relevant or not.

Here's the main point as I see it:

Not all muslims are terrorist, so the American people shouldn't assume if someone is muslim he/she is a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. Right now the Americans have a very abrasive foreign policy due to the "Bush Doctrine", so more and more formerly law-abiding/freedom loving muslims are being alienated from the US and becoming more sympathetic to the 'terrorist' causes.

As for who is the terrorist, certain muslim factions use terrorism as a political tool and that is their way of furthering their agenda. They have certain resources and it is how they wage war; it is unfair and naive to expect Al-Queda/other organizations to face the US/Isreal head on in a conventional war.

I don't know if I would call the US a 'terrorist' in Iraq, but we are certainly killing people, and that is a problem. Especially when we never should be there to begin with. Terrorists? No, not really. Hostile occupying foreign invaders? Yup.

Moral high ground? Ha! Most of those who have posted on this thread have shown their Islamophobic attitude, insulted the religion, denigrated the Prophet of Islam and you're telling ME I have lost moral high ground? Thats hilarious.

I dont quite understand the point you are trying to make with the rest of the post. If a suicide bomber blows himself up in a cafe, he IS a terrorist. If a suicide bomber blows himself up at a checkpoint killing soldiers, then he is not a terrorist.

Similarly, if an IDF soldier kills a suicide bomber, he is not a terrorist, but if he kills a 13 year old girl and then proceeds to "confirm the kill", he is definitely a terrorist.

Therefore, both sides have terrorists.

Of course the US invasion in Iraq is a terrorist action. It was unlawful - no WMD existed, or were found, therefore Saddam abided by UN Resolutions of destroying WMD and programs. UN did NOT give authority to go to war. The UN Secretary General said it was unlawful. Period. This administration itself claims the invasion was to bring "democracy", "freedom", "liberation" to Iraq, all of which are ideological goals. They are being imposed by force. That is EXACTLY the definition of terrorism. Look it up.

 

[Metron]

I have no fear, I'm merely attempting to have a rational and civilized debate with a person who is evasive, inflammatory, and generally unresponsive.

It's quite obvious that you're disturbed by the actions of a minority of MUSLIMS who are destroying the credibility of your religion. Your problem though, like most bullies, is that you want to blame everyone other than those who are accountable for your problems.

You attack me and my knowledge and not my arguments. Such ad hominem debate is pointless.... there is no use in arguing with someone who is manic, or insane.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor
Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

hahaha, thats like saying "why do some liberals (like Conjur) feel that they have to constantly say something anti-Bush administration while neocons (like CSG) feel that they have to constantly say something pro-Bush administration.

Why do you have nothing to say about with what I said? Or contribute anything intelligent to this thread? Do you have something against Islam/Muslims as well?

You are a troll.

Ban.

I don't have anything further to say regarding your comments because you're just a troll looking for debate and no amount of reason will get beyond your extremely biased opinions. Plus, I've got better things to do with my time.

Your act is tired and the fact that you had to start another "Muslims vs. everyone else" thread just proves that point.

You are a troll and you should be banned. :thumbsdown:

When one does not have anything intelligent to say, they resort to posting ridiculous comments like these. My OP was directed at Islam/Muslim bashers, not "everyone else".

Many with reasonable opinions have commented in this thread. You are not one of them.

Thank you for ceasing to contribute to this thread. You will not be missed. Goodbye.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Metron
I have no fear, I'm merely attempting to have a rational and civilized debate with a person who is evasive, inflammatory, and generally unresponsive.

It's quite obvious that you're disturbed by the actions of a minority of MUSLIMS who are destroying the credibility of your religion. Your problem though, like most bullies, is that you want to blame everyone other than those who are accountable for your problems.

You attack me and my knowledge and not my arguments. Such ad hominem debate is pointless.... there is no use in arguing with someone who is manic, or insane.

I replied to your EVERY contention. My problem is with those few degenerates who attack religion without knowledge of its teachings. Your arguments are ofcourse faulty since you lack complete knowledge about it. This is not said in a derogatory or insulting manner, because should you choose to explore this topic more, you will learn more, as will I with a person who does not sink to insulting a whole religion and its people.

On the other hand, you have not responded to the question I asked you.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor
Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

hahaha, thats like saying "why do some liberals (like Conjur) feel that they have to constantly say something anti-Bush administration while neocons (like CSG) feel that they have to constantly say something pro-Bush administration.

Why do you have nothing to say about with what I said? Or contribute anything intelligent to this thread? Do you have something against Islam/Muslims as well?

You are a troll.

Ban.

I don't have anything further to say regarding your comments because you're just a troll looking for debate and no amount of reason will get beyond your extremely biased opinions. Plus, I've got better things to do with my time.

Your act is tired and the fact that you had to start another "Muslims vs. everyone else" thread just proves that point.

You are a troll and you should be banned. :thumbsdown:

When one does not have anything intelligent to say, they resort to posting ridiculous comments like these. My OP was directed at Islam/Muslim bashers, not "everyone else".

Many with reasonable opinions have commented in this thread. You are not one of them.

Thank you for ceasing to contribute to this thread. You will not be missed. Goodbye.

It has nothing to do with having something intelligent to say. When someone understands that they might as well be talking to a wall they don't bother. You have your view on life just like everyone else. Unfortunately for you most people do not agree with your views so you feel you must post over and over to try and get your opinion across. Unless you haven't noticed it isn't working. In fact, you're doing your faith more harm than good because you're a jerk. :disgust:

 

[Metron]

ad hom·i·nem ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-nm, -nm) adj. Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives.

You are derogatory and insulting.... "Now lets answer your last stupid question.." you call me a "...degenerate..." stating that my arguments are "... of course faulty since you lack complete knowledge about it [your religion]." Could you be any more arrogant?

As I said previously, you want to blame everyone other than those who are accountable for your problems.

From AP wire reports... 22 minutes ago:
"Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States."

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Metron
ad hom·i·nem ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-nm, -nm) adj. Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives.

You are derogatory and insulting.... "Now lets answer your last stupid question.." you call me a "...degenerate..." stating that my arguments are "... of course faulty since you lack complete knowledge about it [your religion]."

As I said previously, you want to blame everyone other than those who are accountable for your problems.

hehe, nice pick and choose.

Your question was stupid because evidence that shows the exact opposite exists and you choose to ignore it completely.

I didnt call you a degenerate. But if you are one of those who attacks the beliefs of 1.2 billion, then you sure are one. Sure I may not have enough morals and insult one person. The degenerates who insult the beliefs of 1.2 billion are far worse.

Your arguments are faulty because you dont have knowledge about the Islamic religion which is evident from your comment stating that it is a fundamentalist religion with a philosophy that instills hatred. Now your lack of knowledge is a fact and I already said I did not mean it in an insulting or derogatory manner.

As I said previously, you are one of those Americans who needs an enemy every few years and be taken hostage by the scare tactics; just like your father and forefather were afraid of the Red Army, you are afraid of Islam, and therefore biased.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Robor
Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

hahaha, thats like saying "why do some liberals (like Conjur) feel that they have to constantly say something anti-Bush administration while neocons (like CSG) feel that they have to constantly say something pro-Bush administration.

Why do you have nothing to say about with what I said? Or contribute anything intelligent to this thread? Do you have something against Islam/Muslims as well?

You are a troll.

Ban.

I don't have anything further to say regarding your comments because you're just a troll looking for debate and no amount of reason will get beyond your extremely biased opinions. Plus, I've got better things to do with my time.

Your act is tired and the fact that you had to start another "Muslims vs. everyone else" thread just proves that point.

You are a troll and you should be banned. :thumbsdown:

When one does not have anything intelligent to say, they resort to posting ridiculous comments like these. My OP was directed at Islam/Muslim bashers, not "everyone else".

Many with reasonable opinions have commented in this thread. You are not one of them.

Thank you for ceasing to contribute to this thread. You will not be missed. Goodbye.

It has nothing to do with having something intelligent to say. When someone understands that they might as well be talking to a wall they don't bother. You have your view on life just like everyone else. Unfortunately for you most people do not agree with your views so you feel you must post over and over to try and get your opinion across. Unless you haven't noticed it isn't working. In fact, you're doing your faith more harm than good because you're a jerk. :disgust:

I thought you left.

Very few have replied to my original post. I argue that Iraq invasion is a terrorist action, and cite proof with the deinition of terrorism. I correct misinformation about my religion. I accept the shortcomings of the Muslim nations. I accept extremists elements exist in the Muslim people, and I also argue that similar extremist elements exist in other religions, at an equal level.

Now if you find something in the above that you disagree with, share it, rather than troll and scream "ban ban ban".

 

[EDoG2K]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Good post, Sultan, but I'm afraid you lost the moral high ground falling into the trap of personal attacks and trolling and trying to reply to every response, relevant or not.

Here's the main point as I see it:

Not all muslims are terrorist, so the American people shouldn't assume if someone is muslim he/she is a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. Right now the Americans have a very abrasive foreign policy due to the "Bush Doctrine", so more and more formerly law-abiding/freedom loving muslims are being alienated from the US and becoming more sympathetic to the 'terrorist' causes.

As for who is the terrorist, certain muslim factions use terrorism as a political tool and that is their way of furthering their agenda. They have certain resources and it is how they wage war; it is unfair and naive to expect Al-Queda/other organizations to face the US/Isreal head on in a conventional war.

I don't know if I would call the US a 'terrorist' in Iraq, but we are certainly killing people, and that is a problem. Especially when we never should be there to begin with. Terrorists? No, not really. Hostile occupying foreign invaders? Yup.

Moral high ground? Ha! Most of those who have posted on this thread have shown their Islamophobic attitude, insulted the religion, denigrated the Prophet of Islam and you're telling ME I have lost moral high ground? Thats hilarious.

I dont quite understand the point you are trying to make with the rest of the post. If a suicide bomber blows himself up in a cafe, he IS a terrorist. If a suicide bomber blows himself up at a checkpoint killing soldiers, then he is not a terrorist.

Similarly, if an IDF soldier kills a suicide bomber, he is not a terrorist, but if he kills a 13 year old girl and then proceeds to "confirm the kill", he is definitely a terrorist.

Therefore, both sides have terrorists.

Of course the US invasion in Iraq is a terrorist action. It was unlawful - no WMD existed, or were found, therefore Saddam abided by UN Resolutions of destroying WMD and programs. UN did NOT give authority to go to war. The UN Secretary General said it was unlawful. Period. This administration itself claims the invasion was to bring "democracy", "freedom", "liberation" to Iraq, all of which are ideological goals. They are being imposed by force. That is EXACTLY the definition of terrorism. Look it up.

By losing the moral high ground, I meant that you have the stronger arguement but you've allowed your anger and emotions to make you look like an angry extremist. So much anger, you didn't even realize I'm actually on your side. Good luck.

 

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Blah. I meant I could careless for people who wish that the other one's would just die. For example: Trente wishes death on all Palestinians/Muslims and is always jumping in every thread to defend Israel no matter what. If an Israeli kills a civilian he makes an excuse for it. Israel is never wrong in his eyes.

If a Palestinians blows himself up then someone is going to be like well they have no army. Israel has supressed them.

Never ending arguement. However, wishing the other side death is pointless. I could careless for taking sides in that matter. I have an opinion of the situation (they both suck). Not all Israelis/Palestinians are terrorist/killers. However the people that run both countries are horrible leaders.

Never can anyone justify murder. There is no way unless you are filled with hate.

I got a PM from someone calling me a non-Muslims for not defending Palestinians in a thread. Why should I defend them because I am Muslim and they are also Muslims? I notice some Jews defend Israel only because they are a Jew. That is really wrong in my eyes.