Whose going to buy Apples new OSX, Tiger?

[JASANITY]

I'm going to try one out. I have the yao ming powerbook. Anyone else tempted to try it out, maybe even buy a mac mini or something to run it?

 

[n0cmonkey]

I'll buy it eventually. But I don't want to spend the money just yet.

 

[Hubris]

I'm getting it for free from my Student Developer Subscription. I've got it installed though, and it's damn cool.

 

[JASANITY]

Tiger is AWESOME! Boot up is like 20 seconds, runs ultra fast! Search is awesome! Dashboard is pretty sweet! Automator is perfect for us lazy programmers! Rock Solid Stability! Wow, I am really impressed with this!

 

[timswim78]

I have never owned a MAC before, but this has me really interested in trying out OSX. If I can sell one of my Windows/Linux boxes, I'll buy a mac mini and try out tiger.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Hubris
I'm getting it for free from my Student Developer Subscription. I've got it installed though, and it's damn cool.

HOW

I'm a student at a University (Uni of Cal System)...do they have this option? I kow microsoft has it, but i already had a copy of windows so i didn't need it...and i'm not a ocder so Visual Studio .NET means nothing to me

 

[RichieZ]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Hubris
I'm getting it for free from my Student Developer Subscription. I've got it installed though, and it's damn cool.

HOW

I'm a student at a University (Uni of Cal System)...do they have this option? I kow microsoft has it, but i already had a copy of windows so i didn't need it...and i'm not a ocder so Visual Studio .NET means nothing to me

student developer sub costs $99 per year

about the roginal question: I am entitled to a free copy under my ADC student menbership but I bought it anyways cuz I qualied for the up-to-date program, should enhance the resale value of my powerbook later. I can't go around selling my ADC copy now can i?

 

[JASANITY]

Easy to install too, just pop in the cd, hit install, and the rest is history. I upgraded from the previous OS installed. No issues so far.

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: RichieZ

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Hubris
I'm getting it for free from my Student Developer Subscription. I've got it installed though, and it's damn cool.

HOW

I'm a student at a University (Uni of Cal System)...do they have this option? I kow microsoft has it, but i already had a copy of windows so i didn't need it...and i'm not a ocder so Visual Studio .NET means nothing to me

student developer sub costs $99 per year

about the roginal question: I am entitled to a free copy under my ADC student menbership but I bought it anyways cuz I qualied for the up-to-date program, should enhance the resale value of my powerbook later. I can't go around selling my ADC copy now can i?

I'm not certain, but I believe the ADC version is full retail (unless you're not selling it for sentimental reasons ).

And Student Developer is available to any student. Just go to www.apple.com/developer and check it out. I got it because you get a one time hardware purchase discount, and it gave me $500 off my 15" Powerbook, and with getting Tiger for free, too, it more than paid for itself.

 

[jamesbond007]

If I had a Mac faster than my iMac G3 700MHz, yes. It looks pretty promising for Apple, but until my mom wants something faster, she'll stick with Panther.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: jamesbond007
If I had a Mac faster than my iMac G3 700MHz, yes. It looks pretty promising for Apple, but until my mom wants something faster, she'll stick with Panther.

Tiger should be faster than panther.

 

[JASANITY]

Tiger runs a lot faster than Panther. I feel like I just had a hardware upgrade, when in reality I just updated the OS! I have a 1ghz 17 inch powerbook. The Yao.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: RichieZ

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Hubris
I'm getting it for free from my Student Developer Subscription. I've got it installed though, and it's damn cool.

HOW

I'm a student at a University (Uni of Cal System)...do they have this option? I kow microsoft has it, but i already had a copy of windows so i didn't need it...and i'm not a ocder so Visual Studio .NET means nothing to me

student developer sub costs $99 per year

about the roginal question: I am entitled to a free copy under my ADC student menbership but I bought it anyways cuz I qualied for the up-to-date program, should enhance the resale value of my powerbook later. I can't go around selling my ADC copy now can i?

I'm not certain, but I believe the ADC version is full retail (unless you're not selling it for sentimental reasons ).

And Student Developer is available to any student. Just go to www.apple.com/developer and check it out. I got it because you get a one time hardware purchase discount, and it gave me $500 off my 15" Powerbook, and with getting Tiger for free, too, it more than paid for itself.

I'm going to do the same thing when they release dual core/pci-e powermacs $2300 for that = awesome.

 

[remagavon]

dp

 

[drag]

I beleive with the lack of performance in 3d drivers in earlier versions of OS X has to do with it.. They moved the 3d driver 'closer to the metal' to get similar performance to Linux/Windows...

That and as they work on optimizing and unloading the GUI 'eye candy' type stuff onto the OpenGL stuff it should increase performance because that stuff gets moved from proccessing on the CPU to being proccessed on the GPU. That Quartz Extreme stuff.. that's what they call using OpenGL (and thru OpenGL the hardware acceleration).

So if you combine more efficient drivers, GCC 4.x optimizations, and more accelerated GUI then that is were it's getting it's speed increase from even though they are increasing the GUI features and special effects.

At least that's my guessing. With Linux they are working on moving the old bitmapped 2d stuff over to OpenGL accelerated Vector based graphics and they are getting significant speed increases, especially with text rendering, alpha blending, and stuff like that.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: drag
I beleive with the lack of performance in 3d drivers in earlier versions of OS X has to do with it.. They moved the 3d driver 'closer to the metal' to get similar performance to Linux/Windows...

That and as they work on optimizing and unloading the GUI 'eye candy' type stuff onto the OpenGL stuff it should increase performance because that stuff gets moved from proccessing on the CPU to being proccessed on the GPU. That Quartz Extreme stuff.. that's what they call using OpenGL (and thru OpenGL the hardware acceleration).

So if you combine more efficient drivers, GCC 4.x optimizations, and more accelerated GUI then that is were it's getting it's speed increase from even though they are increasing the GUI features and special effects.

I read somewhere that gcc 4 might not be faster than previous versions, since they're re-doing the optimization frameworks. I haven't looked into it yet, and I don't know if that applied to Apple's contributions or not.

At least that's my guessing. With Linux they are working on moving the old bitmapped 2d stuff over to OpenGL accelerated Vector based graphics and they are getting significant speed increases, especially with text rendering, alpha blending, and stuff like that.

I hope they're not moving X to that... At least not quickly.

 

[drag]

Well somewhat quickly.

Like everything else with X it's all compomentalized and they aren't going to break backward compatability. They'll keep the old framework, with some clean up, making things more modular (seperating Xlibs from the X server and such). But the movement is towards OpenGL, no doubt about it.

With the next version of GTK 2.x (2.8, I beleive) they will have Cairo with Glitz as a optional rendering method (as opposed to Xrender as the default). That wil take care of the OpenGL accelerating of the window, widgets, and text. (also make things look much nicer, especially on hi-res displays), if you want it. Cairo is interesting because it can take multiple rendering methods, like traditional X render, Framebuffer, or Glitz (and thru that OpenGL and thru that hardware acceleration), or be rendered on whatever system is aviable to Windows and OS X users. Then it can be rendered to a veriaty of outputs like the display or to PNG files and even to PDF files (which would make printing in Gnome MUCH MUCH simplier)

Qt will do something similar..

Then you have experimental Window managers now with OpenGL acceleration.. most notiably Luminocity, which is a test bed for Metacity, which is the default window manager for gnome.

Then you have the actual X server itself, a experimental version of the X.org window manager is XGL, which has OpenGL acceleration for windows and composition toys. For instance waima author created a some little toys like moving windows drop shadows (follows the mouse or something like that), and they recreated the OS X expose' with a couple hundred lines of code. This stuff, of course, is just to show off and is modified version of xcompmgr.. but eventually that sort of functionality will be implimented in the Window manager itself.

So OpenGL-accelerated Cairo with GTK or QT + OpenGL accelerated Windows manager + OpenGL accelerated X window server = OpenGL driven free software desktop.

Of course they are keeping it all compomentalized in the traditional *nix fasion.. you can run glitz with a normal window manager and normal X server or you can run XGL with a normal gtk widgets and a normal window manager or you can run a OpenGL accelerated Window mananger with normal widgets and normal X server.. or any combination that would be practical. Also they can do this without breaking backward compatability (baring the bugs that come from new developement, of course).

Also having everything OpenGL will make making stable drivers much easier. No more of the dual-nature of the X server drivers. Just one driver... And for systems that don't have decent drivers then it will simply use Mesa software acceleration. And because DRI drivers, and most others, are extensions of the free software Mesa libraries, cards that are only able to accelerate some things, but not others, will still have full compatability since what they cannot accomplish with hardware will be substituted with software.

 

[Wuzup101]

I'll be getting my copy in the ADC mailing in May (or so apple says). I'm in no hurry to upgrade right now as I'm starting finals week and I don't need something to sidetrack me. Our school offers the software free also, so I can get 2 free copies easy enough. That reminds me I have to change my mailing addy for apple so they send it to my house instead of the dorm that I wont be in!

Anyway, can't wait to put it on my 15" powerbook. It should be quite a treat. There are some obvious bugs that apple has to fix... but I'm sure they will come in a timely manner...

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
I'll be getting my copy in the ADC mailing in May (or so apple says). I'm in no hurry to upgrade right now as I'm starting finals week and I don't need something to sidetrack me. Our school offers the software free also, so I can get 2 free copies easy enough. That reminds me I have to change my mailing addy for apple so they send it to my house instead of the dorm that I wont be in!

Anyway, can't wait to put it on my 15" powerbook. It should be quite a treat. There are some obvious bugs that apple has to fix... but I'm sure they will come in a timely manner...

Actually, Tiger should be coming in the monthly mailing starting last Friday. Least that's what my ADC e-mail said.

 

[hopejr]

I have pre-ordered it, but it hasn't arrived yet

 

[CplHicks]

I'd buy it if it were available on x86 hardware - which I've heard it just might be in the near future. This would make a lot of sense to me, let Apple compete with Microsoft based on their OSs features not the cost of the underlying hardware. Sure Windows will have way more software available for the visible future, but with lots of people using iPods, iTunes, Firefox and with Office being available on Macs now it would be a much more even playing field.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: CplHicks
I'd buy it if it were available on x86 hardware - which I've heard it just might be in the near future. This would make a lot of sense to me, let Apple compete with Microsoft based on their OSs features not the cost of the underlying hardware. Sure Windows will have way more software available for the visible future, but with lots of people using iPods, iTunes, Firefox and with Office being available on Macs now it would be a much more even playing field.

Apple isn't a competition for Microsoft on a level playing field.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: JASANITY
Tiger runs a lot faster than Panther. I feel like I just had a hardware upgrade, when in reality I just updated the OS! I have a 1ghz 17 inch powerbook. The Yao.

I will be installing Tiger on a G3 800MHz iBook with 640MB of RAM tonight, I will let you know how I feel about it. I know this isn't a very fast lappy, but it was only $500 and it actually runs Panther fairly decent.

The best deal I have seen so far on Tiger is the family pack. You get 5 licenses for ~$200.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: JASANITY
Tiger runs a lot faster than Panther. I feel like I just had a hardware upgrade, when in reality I just updated the OS! I have a 1ghz 17 inch powerbook. The Yao.

If I remember correctly, the 12" was the Yao, and the 17" was the mini me.

 

[nitromullet]

Ok, my followup. I can't say Tiger runs noticably faster than Panther on my lowly iBook, but it does run nice and smooth. The Dashboard rocks and so do the new additions to iChat.