Why a black lawyer is afraid to deliver a package mistakenly left at his house

[Victorian Gray]

Yeah, these one-liners show how much you know. Add something or go away.

"Just like the BS story about the kids at CSU. Mama is a native rights activist. Chose to use her kids to get herself all over the news."

Care to back this up with actual facts?

 

[HomerJS]

What sensationalist bs.

opinion of the father. Tell your rant to the 14 year old boy who was shot at just for knocking on someone's door.

 

[Ns1]

How about drive you and your kid to the house offer up the package and introduce yourself. One more possible friend and possibly avoiding all the BS...

Tomorrows nextdoor.com post: "saw a sketchy car in the neighborhood. Kid ran out of the car and up to the door, then left. Looks like he was casing it. Be careful out there everyone."

 

[Kneedragger]

Tomorrows nextdoor.com post: "saw a sketchy car in the neighborhood. Kid ran out of the car and up to the door, then left. Looks like he was casing it. Be careful out there everyone."

Lol you must only skim read through stuff? I said visit the house WITH YOUR KID AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. Im talking Dad and son go say hi. This guy is a lawyer right? Probably has at least one suit and a nice car?

Do any of you leave your house or just keep the lights off and peek through when you hear a noise?!

 

[Ns1]

Lol you must only skim read through stuff? I said visit the house WITH YOUR KID AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. Im talking Dad and son go say hi. This guy is a lawyer right? Probably has at least one suit and a nice car?

Do any of you leave your house or just keep the lights off and peek through when you hear a noise?!

That's even worse -

"I was at home minding my own business when these 2 people I didn't recognize came up to my door. No way I opened the door for them - they were obviously casing my house. Be careful out there everyone."

 

[UglyCasanova]

opinion of the father. Tell your rant to the 14 year old boy who was shot at just for knocking on someone's door.

Well the father is being sensationalist and absolutely fanning the flames of racism. He is stereotyping people by the color of their skins, the same as if I’d said that I wouldn’t want my son driving to the primarily black part of town because he might get robbed. And we all know damned well he isn’t afraid his son is going to get shot by walking to the neighbors house, this just makes for an article to get clicks from people who want to feel victimized about everything.

 

[Ns1]

we all know damned well he isn’t afraid his son is going to get shot by walking to the neighbors house

You mean like...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-teenager-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions

 

[Kneedragger]

That's even worse -

"I was at home minding my own business when these 2 people I didn't recognize came up to my door. No way I opened the door for them - they were obviously casing my house. Be careful out there everyone."

I can't argue with that.. Even thinking their trying to sell something..

 

[UglyCasanova]

You mean like...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-teenager-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions

No doubt you can find examples, but there’s examples of people getting killed over stupid shit all the time. That doesn’t mean we worry about it, if that were the case none of us would ever leave our houses. Living in fear that you’ll be shot because you knocked on a neighbors door is sensationalism and paranoia not grounded in reality.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You mean like...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-teenager-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions

How often does that happen? I mean actual rates determined scientifically? How many black people are shot by other blacks? What rate is higher, whites murdering blacks or blacks doing the same? What about whites being murdered by blacks?

If you are going to take the very rare but tragic cases how about the real chances of this lawyer being harmed? Probably almost none just the same as if a white neighbor took it to a black family.

But if the reality of the odds became known what the facts happen to be then neither side would have the hate and fear they want to generate.

 

[Ns1]

Whatever the odds, it's clear its greater than 0%

 

[UglyCasanova]

Whatever the odds, it's clear its greater than 0%

Same with shark attacks but I still go to the beach anyways.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Whatever the odds, it's clear its greater than 0%

Well hell it's greater than zero percent that a black guy will kill him or he'll be hit in the head by a meteor with the same result. If "it could theoretically happen at some point in the indefinite future" determines one's actions it is that person's issues, not that of the universe. He shouldn't be leaving his home. Well he might be hit by a car. But there's earthquakes and storms. Then there's someone who was a victim in a home invasion!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, that's his issue.

 

[Zaap]

So white person living in predomantly minority neighborhood is justified in accusing ALL of his neighbors of being dangerous murderers because he can cite a a single news story where a minority killed a white person...

...That's actually the 'logic' being justified here.


Oh and the idiot who posted should just return the damn package to whoever is missing it already. When his mail gets wrongly delivered, it'll probably just stay missing because no one wants to deal with the neighborhood asshole.

 

[Paratus]

So you got one right I am white..

I have never gave the NRA money. I don't watch anything related to FOX for news..

Good to know

I live in an area of SF with mostly Asian and Black. When people knock on my door I don't grab any weapon..

Ok

You ultra libs are fucking rediculous with the "conservative" assumptions.. Anyone that owns a gun is a racist conservative and a NRA member in your eyes.. My god stop watching CNN..

No not anyone. And I can see I came across as implying you were, which wasn’t my intent. So I’ll apologize.

People like the ones who took a shot at the African American kid who came to ask for directions do watch Fox and listen to the NRA. They get their fear stoked and in their paranoia call the cops on people of color doing normal things or in this case the wife thinks a knock at the door is a home invasion and the husband shoots first and thinks later.

Now you did suggest that this black lawyer should take his son over to the house, introduce themselves and drop of the package. It’s a nice thought and would show a modicum of bravery and dedication to making their neighborhood more friendly.

It’s also a risk (a small one but a couple of orders of magnitude more than you or I would face)) that the cops are called or worse because some fearful Fox News watcher “saw” two black men steal a package.

Most of us who actually have to balance that risk would decide the same way this father did. Call and get the package picked up.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The constant fanning of racial flames makes you think the percentage of risk is much, much higher than it actually is. When an isolated event is sensationalized in the media people run with it. Would you think it’s ok if the white neighbors thought there’s a greater than zero chance the black kid knocking at the door is going to rob them so might as well call the cops? I wouldn’t it seems absurd, just like the "fear" the guy in the OP has is absurd.

 

[Kneedragger]

People like the ones who took a shot at the African American kid who came to ask for directions do watch Fox and listen to the NRA. They get their fear stoked and in their paranoia call the cops on people of color doing normal things or in this case the wife thinks a knock at the door is a home invasion and the husband shoots first and thinks later.

Yeah I seen the thread here about that. I believe that shit happens all the time and its fucking terrible. I will say I believe a good amount of paranoia comes from close family or friends encounters but most is from watching the news and the frequency of it shown doesn't help..

My grandmother bought the house I'm in when it was built probably in the late 70s? While growing up and visiting her my father would tell me literally every week she would get mugged and her purse taken from her while down the street where all the stores are. Now what I can say for a fact these were all black men that did this to her. So now I'm willing to bet she probably got a bit scared walking around a black person or having one knocking on her door. Now that would be from her actual experience not what she heard.. So that's why I say to some degree people have experienced shit that has made them not trust a specific ethnicity. Is it wrong.. Fuck yeah! After all that she still never once made any racial comments to me or my brothers.

 

[HomerJS]

Well the father is being sensationalist and absolutely fanning the flames of racism. He is stereotyping people by the color of their skins, the same as if I’d said that I wouldn’t want my son driving to the primarily black part of town because he might get robbed. And we all know damned well he isn’t afraid his son is going to get shot by walking to the neighbors house, this just makes for an article to get clicks from people who want to feel victimized about everything.

Did I mention for the 5th time the 14 year old kid who was shot at because he was lost. Yet that seems to be lost on you why you continue to cry "that would never happen"

Is that your brain defect or just willful ignorance? Maybe its the Trump "facts don't matter" thing again. U orange too?

 

[x26]

UPS drops a package at the home of a black lawyer who lives in a white neighborhood. It was a mistake and was meant for a house on the next block. Lawyer's son was going to take it to the correct house but father decided to call UPS instead. Why, young black male approaching a home of upscale white family would put his son's life at risk. Police could be called, homeowners could accuse him of being a thug and just shoot him.

Incidents like the father fear are becoming a reality at an increasing rate. Just existing as a person of color is being criminalized in this country.

Native American boys on a college tour - police called
14 year old black boy knocks on a door because he is lost - owner fires his gun at him
2 black males at Starbucks waiting for friend - police called

Here is the post in the father's own words
https://www.facebook.com/lawhumorist/posts/10212257090368045

article
https://www.theroot.com/can-you-blame-him-1825671501

You and your Story are Retarded--you need to get a real life and get out more for "Reality Testing" !!

ETA: You have a Serious Mental Disorder and need to seek Professional help!!

 

[UglyCasanova]

Did I mention for the 5th time the 14 year old kid who was shot at because he was lost. Yet that seems to be lost on you why you continue to cry "that would never happen"

You did but as many have been saying, it’s one example so what? The lawyer in your story lives in a well to do neighborhood in Arizona cites a story that happened in Michigan and then omg white people are evil and trying to kill us. Does that not sound racist?

It’s amazing how it’s got to this point. If I were to start this same thread, use an example of a white person being randomly shot at by a black one, and then argue that blacks can’t be trusted and I take my life in my hands every time I deal with one (because the chance is greater than zero!) I’d be banned. I’m pretty shocked at just how openly and proudly you display your racism.

 

[pmv]

You did but as many have been saying, it’s one example so what? The lawyer in your story lives in a well to do neighborhood in Arizona cites a story that happened in Michigan and then omg white people are evil and trying to kill us. Does that not sound racist?

It’s amazing how it’s got to this point. If I were to start this same thread, use an example of a white person being randomly shot at by a black one, and then argue that blacks can’t be trusted and I take my life in my hands every time I deal with one (because the chance is greater than zero!) I’d be banned. I’m pretty shocked at just how openly and proudly you display your racism.

It's not symmetrical though. There is no getting away from the fact that real racism requires collective power as an essential ingredient. White people can whinge about that all they like, but it remains quite obviously the case.

The guy's stance may not be entirely rational, but it doesn't fit the definition of 'racism'...in any case, actually I'd take it as being only partly genuine fear (rational or otherwise), and in large part an expression of justified anger and a political statement.

 

[UglyCasanova]

There is no getting away from the fact that real racism requires collective power as an essential ingredient. .

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
   "a program to combat racism"
   synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
   "Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
2. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
   noun: racism
   "theories of racism"

How does that require collective power

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's not symmetrical though. There is no getting away from the fact that real racism requires collective power as an essential ingredient. White people can whinge about that all they like, but it remains quite obviously the case.

The guy's stance may not be entirely rational, but it doesn't fit the definition of 'racism'...in any case, actually I'd take it as being only partly genuine fear (rational or otherwise), and in large part an expression of justified anger and a political statement.

I disagree with your statement regarding collective power. Suppose a black person killed a white because he hated them for that reason? That's a racist and malevolent act. Of course collective power enables things like discrimination, another aspect of racism.

 

[pmv]

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
   "a program to combat racism"
   synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
   "Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
2. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
   noun: racism
   "theories of racism"

How does that require collective power

Who are you quoting and why should I take their political opinons as my own?

 

[pmv]

I disagree with your statement regarding collective power. Suppose a black person killed a white because he hated them for that reason? That's a racist and malevolent act. Of course collective power enables things like discrimination, another aspect of racism.

I wouldn't disagree with you on that. Words are not precise things they do depend on context. If a gang corner you in a dark alley they have power and the wider social context doesn't have much relevance. But in the context of the original story, I think the more nuanced definition is absolutely relevant.