why are all the new monitors I try terrible for gaming?

[RussianSensation]

What about the Asus ML239H? It has one of the faster response times for an IPS panel.

 

[toyota]

What about the Samsung PX2370 for $250?

Dell U2410?

the Samsung has been discontinued. Dell U2410 is out of my price range for sure.

 

[raasco]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+IPS...&skuId=2031077

LG - IPS Series 23" LED Monitor

Model: IPS236V| SKU: 2031077

I got it on sale for 199. Looks to be on sale again for 229.

So far played LFD2, Battlefield Bad Company2, Everquest, The Withcer 2, movies. Love the monitor. It is head and shoulders above my older Asus 24" (sorry do not have the model # on me).

I agree with this recommendation, so much better than my old TN.

 

[toyota]

I read some reviews of that LG IPS panel and indeed is not that great for gaming. http://www.pcmonitors.org/reviews/lg-ips236v-review-by-prad-de

On this note; the overall responsiveness of the LG IPS236V left a lot to be desired according to the review. The stated ISO response time of 8ms and grey to grey response time of 5ms (see the monitor technology article) were far from achievable using an accurate oscilloscope-based measurement. Prad.de recorded an average response time of 30.8ms, which just goes to show how ludicrous and misleading the specified values of such things can be. They noted that a stronger overdrive algorithm would have been preferred and that they found the trailing bothersome.


I might try this ASUS VH238H since I can get in from Walmart or Amazon. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236117

 

[blackened23]

I read some reviews of that LG IPS panel and indeed is not that great for gaming. http://www.pcmonitors.org/reviews/lg-ips236v-review-by-prad-de

On this note; the overall responsiveness of the LG IPS236V left a lot to be desired according to the review. The stated ISO response time of 8ms and grey to grey response time of 5ms (see the monitor technology article) were far from achievable using an accurate oscilloscope-based measurement. Prad.de recorded an average response time of 30.8ms, which just goes to show how ludicrous and misleading the specified values of such things can be. They noted that a stronger overdrive algorithm would have been preferred and that they found the trailing bothersome.


I might try this ASUS VH238H since I can get in from Walmart or Amazon.

IPS have slower response times than TN panels across the board. I don't notice slow response times during games but I play games 10% of the time and other stuff 90% of the time. The IPS to me is worth it especially for when i'm staring at windows....they're about 1000% times better than any TN. But If you're that sensitive to it, you should get a 120hz. I personally don't notice it, but I stick to proven panels for the most part.

 

[toyota]

IPS have slower response times than TN panels across the board. I don't notice slow response times during games but I play games 10% of the time and other stuff 90% of the time. The IPS to me is worth it especially for when i'm staring at windows....they're about 1000% times better than any TN. But If you're that sensitive to it, you should get a 120hz. I personally don't notice it, but I stick to proven panels for the most part.

yeah I know IPS will look better for sure. there was one IPS touch screen in BB and it made all the other monitors look like crap. but I know when I fire up a game it will probably drive me nuts though. I just never realized how good my old Dell and Acer were for gaming and I want that again.

that Asus is only 60hz but seems like a decent gaming monitor from what I have read about it so far. at 180 bucks, its not bad if its gets the job done. yeah the 120hz would be better but they are twice the price. all I need is something that's not noticeably worse than my old Acer or Dell and I will be okay for now. I am actually enjoying the hell out of playing games on the old Dell right now so that level of screen response is okay. lol I really need something new fast before Batman Arkham City comes out.

 

[Shmee]

a great I would recommend the HP ZR30W, it is very popular for high res gaming, might be a bit pricey though.

I have had various monitors, my HP is clearly the best I have ever had.

 

[john3850]

Could your viedo card have been causing a big effect on the picture in the new monitors.
On my back system the old with acer 221 and diffferent viedo cards have a big effect on the picture.
On my samsung t240 diffferent viedo cards seem to make no difference to the picture effects.

I see 1200x1900 monitrs are hard to come by these days and I want one to replace acer.

 

[Capt Caveman]

a great I would recommend the HP ZR30W, it is very popular for high res gaming, might be a bit pricey though.

I have had various monitors, my HP is clearly the best I have ever had.

Been thinking of moving up to it, I'm still playing on a HP L2335 and still quite happy playing on it.

 

[M1A]

you keep saying you tried 6-7 but only named 2, how about the others so we all can stay away from those models? What Video card or better yet your complete system are you running? (Your 2500 and 570)? It could be your whole problem if you are talking about some other system but not that system unless you are not using an add-on Vid card. I am gaming on a Panny 32" Plas and just love it.

 

[toyota]

you keep saying you tried 6-7 but only named 2, how about the others so we all can stay away from those models? What Video card or better yet your complete system are you running? (Your 2500 and 570)? It could be your whole problem if you are talking about some other system but not that system unless you are not using an add-on Vid card. I am gaming on a Panny 32" Plas and just love it.

I named all the monitors I tried.

there was an LG 23 inch that have forget the name of and a Samsung S22A350H that had such terrible back light bleeding that I put it right back in the box.

Dell ST2200L
Dell ST2421L
Viewsonic VX2250wm
HP 2211X
Acer S201HLbd

 

[imaheadcase]

Stop wasting time on cheap monitors and get a Dell 24inch U2410 and be done with it. Why people skimp on the most important thing you use on computer is beyond me.

 

[toyota]

Stop wasting time on cheap monitors and get a Dell 24inch U2410 and be done with it. Why people skimp on the most important thing you use on computer is beyond me.

why people cant comprehend the point of the thread is beyond me. in fact you seem to have missed EVERY point I made about what I want. lets try again...the previous CHEAP monitors were just fine as for as screen response. this is just for gaming and the more expensive monitors like the U2410 actually have SLOWER panels compared to the cheaper TN models. and I want a 1920x1080 led backlit display.

now please tell me how in the heck a $600 U2410 meets ANY of that criteria? just throwing more money at something does not make it meet my actual needs. next time please understand the points of the thread before replying.

 

[Stuka87]

I use a 23" IPS (as I do split graphics/gaming). I LOVE the color and display image quality.

There is some noticeable trailing. Especially compared to the display that I had before this. Which had horrible color, but a fast response time. But oddly enough, I don't notice the response issues as much anymore. When I first got it I was very disappointed. But now 6 months later, I don't notice it unless I look for it.

 

[loafbred]

Using "stretch to fit screen" scaling with non-native resolutions causes serious input lag on my HP ZR24W, but there is no noticeable input lag with per-pixel scaling, and no ghosting. I didn't see this mentioned in the thread, just throwing it in just in case.

I recently had to replace the CRT on my second PC, which my nephew uses to game. After much research and worry, I decided on a HP 2311x (LED). I would be happy using it all the time, with the exception of photo editing. I got Micro Center to price match at $179. Both HP's also have zero backlight bleeding.

I agree with the others who said that the bargain basement models are just built too cheaply.

 

[toyota]

I tried the 2211x which I believe is the same screen as the 2311x, just cut down to 21.5, and did not like it. it was not the worst one when it comes to screen response but it had a weird brownish tint towards the top and horrible looking text.

 

[jinsaotomex4]

Fighting game pro enthusiasts and pros are very picky when it comes to monitors/HDTVs due to input lag and screen response times so they have compiled a list of devices and their input lag (this is the most important one for these types of games, or any other genres that require high precision). Hopefully this proves useful not only to the OP but to others as well.

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database.145141/

For those that do not want to click the link, monitor with lowest input lag (so far) tested is :

Dell U2312HM - 0.6ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080 resolution.

 

[Deanodarlo]

I think a lot of 1080p monitors share their screens with 1080p TV's to keep costs down.

As a result, many 1080p monitors are not as good as dedicated PC monitors with traditional PC resolutions which won't use TV grade screens.

Just a guess however as to why you may be seeing worse performance out of 1080p models.

 

[toyota]

I think a lot of 1080p monitors share their screens with 1080p TV's to keep costs down.

As a result, many 1080p monitors are not as good as dedicated PC monitors with traditional PC resolutions which won't use TV grade screens.

Just a guess however as to why you may be seeing worse performance out of 1080p models.

the 1600x900 Acer S201HLbd was probably the worst I have tested so far.

 

[Deanodarlo]

Oh well, I did say it was a guess! Perhaps they just don't build 'em like they used to.

 

[toyota]

I am using the Asus VH238H now and its not too bad. its 2ms but looks a bit worse in games than the old 5ms Dell which is right beside it.

a few issue I have though are really driving me nuts. and its something I noticed on plenty of other monitors too. and that is MOST of the features are freaking grayed out. for example under color settings, saturation and skin toned are grayed out. under image settings; sharpness, position, aspect control, ASCR and focus are all grayed out. and its says nothing about those in the pitiful little guide that comes with the monitor.

what is the point of having those in the menu if I cant even adjust them? I would certainly like to see how the monitor does with ASCR on but have way of trying it. and again I saw this same crap on other monitors I have tried too. btw I am using DVI connection if that matters.

 

[looper]

So, in terms of 'FPS' PC gaming performance, would one's speed and playing performance be improved with an IPS panel Dell U2410 with a 6ms response compared to, for example, some TN panel monitors with a 2ms response?

 

[looper]

why people cant comprehend the point of the thread is beyond me. in fact you seem to have missed EVERY point I made about what I want. lets try again...the previous CHEAP monitors were just fine as for as screen response. this is just for gaming and the more expensive monitors like the U2410 actually have SLOWER panels compared to the cheaper TN models. and I want a 1920x1080 led backlit display.

now please tell me how in the heck a $600 U2410 meets ANY of that criteria? just throwing more money at something does not make it meet my actual needs. next time please understand the points of the thread before replying.

I have the Dell U2410 and it's awesome. My son and I play 'FPS' PC games on it (BF3). It has a 6ms response I believe. Would getting a 2ms response monitor make a difference in terms of our gameplay scores?

 

[brybir]

I have the Dell U2410 and it's awesome. My son and I play 'FPS' PC games on it (BF3). It has a 6ms response I believe. Would getting a 2ms response monitor make a difference in terms of our gameplay scores?

It depends on whether you notice it. I for one do not notice the difference in monitors that much, but as you can see above, some do.

For example, Toyota said he was using an Acer H233H. I had that monitor for six months and I thought it was a horrid piece of crap for both gaming and anything else. It had excessive backlight bleed, poor contrasts, and I think was just problematic as any other monitor I have ever had that was a 60hz TN panel.

I would stick with what you have, especially if gaming is not the only thing you do, but that is just my take, since gaming is only 10-15% of what I use a computer for.

 

[Remobz]

yeah I know IPS will look better for sure. there was one IPS touch screen in BB and it made all the other monitors look like crap. but I know when I fire up a game it will probably drive me nuts though. I just never realized how good my old Dell and Acer were for gaming and I want that again.

that Asus is only 60hz but seems like a decent gaming monitor from what I have read about it so far. at 180 bucks, its not bad if its gets the job done. yeah the 120hz would be better but they are twice the price. all I need is something that's not noticeably worse than my old Acer or Dell and I will be okay for now. I am actually enjoying the hell out of playing games on the old Dell right now so that level of screen response is okay. lol I really need something new fast before Batman Arkham City comes out.

I am one of those people that needs a good monitor for visual viewing. I have an eye condition and take meds daily for it. The less eye strain and stress the better for me. On the other hand, I like to play games and want to buy BF3 in the upcoming months.

I wish someone would make a monitor with the best of both worlds (IPS quality and FPS gaming heaven). I guess I will just have to hang on to my 22 inch LG 227wtg LCD until something that fits the bill comes out in the future (soon I hope).