Why Are Americans So Anti- Diesel?

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Linflas
Diesel was a lot more popular when it cost 10-20 cents less per gallon than gasoline.

And if it becomes popular once again there is this little problem to contend with.

No problems.... Use Ag Diesel.....

 

[moonshinemadness]

Even though diesel costs the same as petrol now the MPG still means is cheaper to run than a petrol

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: moonshinemadness
Even though diesel costs the same as petrol now the MPG still means is cheaper to run than a petrol

"Equivalent" isn't an incentive to switch over someone who's comfortable with gasoline. Hybrids have the advantage of not needing a whole new "fuel philosophy," but at the cost of a lot of driving excitement. A Shockwave-Endorsed muscle car will rip a 1/4 mile faster than these things will accelerate to 60.

- M4H

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Have you ever seen a deisel run 11.24 in the 1/4 mile?
We'll take out gas thanks.

How many people buy a car for the 1/4 mile?

Boy ricers ofcourse.

Boy-ricers run high 14's in 'heavily modified*' Hondas


* i.e. big spoiler, K&N filter, loud exhaust, and lots of stickers

 

[0roo0roo]

engine costs more to make.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Have you ever seen a deisel run 11.24 in the 1/4 mile?
We'll take out gas thanks.

How many people buy a car for the 1/4 mile?

Boy ricers ofcourse.

Boy-ricers run high 14's in 'heavily modified*' Hondas


* i.e. big spoiler, K&N filter, loud exhaust, and lots of stickers

I'll tell you right now, there's no way in hell a Civic will break 15s without a swap, turbo, or optimally both.

- M4H

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: moonshinemadness
Even though diesel costs the same as petrol now the MPG still means is cheaper to run than a petrol

"Equivalent" isn't an incentive to switch over someone who's comfortable with gasoline. Hybrids have the advantage of not needing a whole new "fuel philosophy," but at the cost of a lot of driving excitement. A Shockwave-Endorsed muscle car will rip a 1/4 mile faster than these things will accelerate to 60.

- M4H

:beer:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: moonshinemadness
Even though diesel costs the same as petrol now the MPG still means is cheaper to run than a petrol

"Equivalent" isn't an incentive to switch over someone who's comfortable with gasoline. Hybrids have the advantage of not needing a whole new "fuel philosophy," but at the cost of a lot of driving excitement. A Shockwave-Endorsed muscle car will rip a 1/4 mile faster than these things will accelerate to 60.

- M4H

:beer:

Alcohol-fueled car? :beer:

- M4H

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

I'll tell you right now, there's no way in hell a Civic will break 15s without a swap, turbo, or optimally both.

- M4H

That's what the stickers are for.

White-faced guages help too:disgust:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

I'll tell you right now, there's no way in hell a Civic will break 15s without a swap, turbo, or optimally both.

- M4H

That's what the stickers are for.

White-faced guages help too:disgust:

And neon. Nothing beats a good set of 48" neon bars bolted right to the underside of your frame so that they're plainly visible from any angle. If you're going to rice, at least get a bloody skirt kit so you don't blind me. Gives me something to laugh at when you get stuck on a speedbump too.

- M4H

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
And neon. Nothing beats a good set of 48" neon bars bolted right to the underside of your frame so that they're plainly visible from any angle. If you're going to rice, at least get a bloody skirt kit so you don't blind me. Gives me something to laugh at when you get stuck on a speedbump too.

- M4H

Don't knock it - neon bars are good for 5HP. Each.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
And neon. Nothing beats a good set of 48" neon bars bolted right to the underside of your frame so that they're plainly visible from any angle. If you're going to rice, at least get a bloody skirt kit so you don't blind me. Gives me something to laugh at when you get stuck on a speedbump too.

- M4H

Don't knock it - neon bars are good for 5HP. Each.

More if they're inside the passenger compartment.

- M4H

 

[Deadtrees]

I think of it as AMD vs. Intel cpu thing.
So many people out there still think Intel's just a lot better than AMD no matter what.
Back then, diesel cars have many issues. However, nowadays diesel cars run and feel as good as gasoline cars. Majority of people just don't know about it. Thus, most of foregin cars that has diesel engine have to change its engine to gasoline one when entering U.S market.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Don't look at me, I love the Cummins.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
More if they're inside the passenger compartment.

- M4H

I wouldn't feel safe in such a high-powered car if it didn't have multiple fire-extinguishers mounted in plain view...

 

[Tiamat]

Exhaust is very very polluting, and smells real bad. Not that normal gasoline isnt just as polluting. It just looks bad when you have a ton of dark colored smoke emitted into the air. It is also expensive.

However, on the other hand, Diesel is more efficient because it burns at a higher temperature ~ think theoretical Carnot heat engine where temp difference is the driving force for higher efficiency.

 

[m2kewl]

not me! i'm all for reliability fuel efficiency...whether it be 4-cyl, hybrids, diesels, solar

it's those brainwashed by auto industry's big blocks, v8, 1/4 mile that's driving the rest of the flock to the big horsepower race we have today...

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: moonshinemadness
Why what did GM do?

Oldsmobile 350 diesel. That was really late 70's, early 80's.
Also, lots of people knocked the GM/Chevy truck 6.2 diesel, but I've seen many of those engines with hundreds of thousands of miles on them.

The 80s GM passenger car diesels were hastily converted gasoline engines - they couldn't withstand the very high compression ratios which diesels need to work.

 

[Scouzer]

Its cold here. Diesels aren't or weren't (I don't know now adays) as good at starting as gasoline engines...

At least a factor, especially up here in Canuckistan

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Scouzer
Its cold here. Diesels aren't or weren't (I don't know now adays) as good at starting as gasoline engines...

At least a factor, especially up here in Canuckistan

Diesel in North America is kind of like rotary engines everywhere.

Our first exposure to these engines for passenger use was abysmal. And we havne't got over it yet.

Add in a horsepower-based (not torque!) marketing war, which diesels have no hope of 'winning' despite good real-world performance, and the higher purchase price of diesel vehicles (not one economy-car can be had with a diesel engine in Canada, at any rate), and you have a recipe for poor sales of diesel here.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Don't look at me, I love the Cummins.

Pervert

 

When the manufacturers start to open up more choices, I'll start to consider them.

 

[drnickriviera]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Have you ever seen a deisel run 11.24 in the 1/4 mile?
We'll take out gas thanks.

How about an 8000lb F350 running 11.42? That good enough for you?
Diesel Power 5.7mb

Without too much efort, you can get 400HP and an earth shattering 1000 lb-ft

Go easy on my server, only has 40kb upload

 

[BullyCanadian]

What about those Hydrogran Fueled cars?

They seem good, but there is one thing of concern, if someone in a hydrogen fuel car gets into a bad accident, will the hydrogren explode?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: BullyCanadian
What about those Hydrogran Fueled cars?

They seem good, but there is one thing of concern, if someone in a hydrogen fuel car gets into a bad accident, will the hydrogren explode?

It certainly could, but it shouldn't really explode any more readily than a 15 gallon tank of gasoline, I don't think.

Hydrogen isn't a viable alternative unless we start building nuclear power plants to produce electricty to produce hydrogen. That could change, though.

Energy, energy, energy. Oil is virtually our only source of it. Unfortunately, we can't just pull it out of our asses.