Why are cars faster than motorcycles?

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[NFS4]

It's really fast for a production car, but I wouldn't say it's faster than "anything on the road."

McLaren P1:

0 to 300 km/h (186 mph) in 16.5 seconds
1/4 mile in 9.8 seconds at 152 mph

Alpha Omega GT-R:

0 to 300 km/h (186 mph) in 7.98 Seconds
1/4 mile in 7.984 @ 186.14 mph

I didn't think I really had to qualify my statement by meaning production vehicles, but I guess I did

 

[JackBurton]

It's really fast for a production car, but I wouldn't say it's faster than "anything on the road."

McLaren P1:

0 to 300 km/h (186 mph) in 16.5 seconds
1/4 mile in 9.8 seconds at 152 mph

Alpha Omega GT-R:

0 to 300 km/h (186 mph) in 7.98 Seconds
1/4 mile in 7.984 @ 186.14 mph

AMS and UGR battle it out for the most ridiculously fastest car on the street. The things are AMAZING! I would love to experience the crazy rush punching it in either of these cars just once. I'd image it's like being strapped to a missile:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=feKonA8UHGs

Either one of these can take out a modified Hayabusa.

 

[Triumph]

Put any motorcycle with any engine and ridden by the best racer in the world on a road course with an F1 race car and its likely the bike will be lapped within 5 laps.

Put almost any car against F1 and it will be lapped eventually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cNqaPSHv0

 

[MongGrel]

GOD DAMNIT> Now every time i look at that pic all i can see is a huge USB connector and picture the owner putting it in and it now working so he flips it...:biggrin:

 

[mnewsham]

I didn't think I really had to qualify my statement by meaning production vehicles, but I guess I did

Still not the fastest production car. The Agrea R has a theoretical top speed of over 270mph.

 

[MongGrel]

Actually...

I was in Falls River, MA on a main drag and some guy pulled up next to me in a Viper and decided that he wanted to play. I wasn't interested, after all what was the point? I did glance over and saw what seemed to be a guy not even 25 with an incredible sneer. I had just pulled out of Vanson Leathers, a popular place, and he probably spanked a number of Harleys and maybe some 400cc sporty bikes.

Little did he know...

Now this street was two lanes each way and we were both first in line at the red light. I raised my visor and said "You don't want to do this. You'll hate your car after". Well he couldn't back down if he ever intended to, which is exactly what I wanted.

The light changes and we're off. I positioned myself so I could see that smirk growing in his side mirror as he slowly pulled away. Then what I waited for happened. The look changed to an immense grin. He knew he beat me. "Snick, snick", down two gears and I passed him like he never moved.

We stopped at the next red light and I looked dead ahead. As it was about to change I put up my visor and said "I told you you'd hate your car" and hung a left.

Smirk to smile to victory grin to snarl in 30 seconds.

It was beautiful day.

+1 that was a good one.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

AMS and UGR battle it out for the most ridiculously fastest car on the street. The things are AMAZING! I would love to experience the crazy rush punching it in either of these cars just once. I'd image it's like being strapped to a missile:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=feKonA8UHGs

Either one of these can take out a modified Hayabusa.

Define "take out"?

 

[MongGrel]

Fastest I've driven honestly, and this was in an older car, was in high 140's

Friend of mine had an old 280Z road rocket, my old 72 Camaro I had used to own I took up to 110 plus regularly, my buddy had the 280Z and said take it out and punch it.

This was mid 80's so it wasn't brand new, but once you start hitting up higher things go by real fast.

I backed off of it, and I usually don't. Things start getting blurred at up near 150, yeah.

Have a few funny stories about old things, I'll just not clog the thread anymore.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Still not the fastest production car. The Agrea R has a theoretical top speed of over 270mph.

That's a car I can appreciate

The only thing I'd like to know is what is the fastest achieved speed. It may hit 273 mph, but there's a potential for hype. Don't get me wrong though because if it hit "only" 250 it would still be a staggeringly impressive vehicle. I appreciate cars and motorcycles. I can only afford the one kind though

 

[dawheat]

I know we're not talking about racing series, but I'd imagine that Moto GP is probably comparable in lap times to something like Formula Ford and certainly not even in the ballpark of Formula 1 or even GP2.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Fastest I've driven honestly, and this was in an older car, was in high 140's

Friend of mine had an old 280Z road rocket, my old 72 Camaro I had used to own I took up to 110 plus regularly, my buddy had the 280Z and said take it out and punch it.

This was mid 80's so it wasn't brand new, but once you start hitting up higher things go by real fast.

I backed off of it, and I usually don't. Things start getting blurred at up near 150, yeah.

Have a few funny stories about old things, I'll just not clog the thread anymore.

If you ever share let me know. It's not like this is exactly the most technically scrupulous thread

I was in a highly modified vett as a passenger and we hit an indicated 160, which was probably about right. It was a rush.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I see the pic for the really fastest car in the world didn't take, so here's another.

No Hayabusa will ever touch it.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

How on Earth did a stupid pun thread get turned into pages of people arguing about bikes vs. cars? It's like going into the "greatest joke" thread and arguing about levers vs. buttons. You people are crazy....

But, for a lark, let's add it up:

Acceleration: bikes
Top speed: cars
Speed per dollar: bikes

Now if you want to get real technical, top fuel dragsters will wreck everything acceleration-wise, and they're technically cars, but let's assume we're talking strictly "things consumers could actually go to a dealership and purchase."

 

[MongGrel]

It's become a good thread, really.

:biggrin:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How on Earth did a stupid pun thread get turned into pages of people arguing about bikes vs. cars? It's like going into the "greatest joke" thread and arguing about levers vs. buttons. You people are crazy....

But, for a lark, let's add it up:

Acceleration: bikes
Top speed: cars
Speed per dollar: bikes

Now if you want to get real technical, top fuel dragsters will wreck everything acceleration-wise, and they're technically cars, but let's assume we're talking strictly "things consumers could actually go to a dealership and purchase."

This is ATOT. This is what people do

I've seen a few things I didn't know about because I haven't been following along so it's been fun, at least for me. For example I learned that I was in error about top motorcycle speeds at least according to Wiki. The 300 kph limit was never legally enacted because the motorcycle companies reached an agreement which prevented it. Of course an Italian maker decided to break that (kind of ironic) so there's no knowing what will happen.

 

[Gillbot]

 

[JackBurton]

Define "take out"?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxTAbxIAMU4

 

[exdeath]

but let's assume we're talking strictly "things consumers could actually go to a dealership and purchase."

So you just want to arbitrarily restrict the fastest vehicles to exotics and the 1% that can afford them?



I vote: No.

 

[mnewsham]

That's a car I can appreciate

The only thing I'd like to know is what is the fastest achieved speed. It may hit 273 mph, but there's a potential for hype. Don't get me wrong though because if it hit "only" 250 it would still be a staggeringly impressive vehicle. I appreciate cars and motorcycles. I can only afford the one kind though

I'm not sure what it's top speed it has hit so far, but it did hit 250Mph on the Nurburgring Nordschleife, which is one of the fastest if not the fastest speed achieved on that track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ysE3CGxrWA

 

[Brian Stirling]

Put almost any car against F1 and it will be lapped eventually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cNqaPSHv0

True enough ... however I said ANY bike would be lapped within about 5 laps but there are plenty of cars that would hold out much longer before being lapped.

The ultimate cornering ability of a car with aero down force is MUCH higher than that of any motorcycle because bikes can't really have much down force. It's possible to imagine a bike with active wings that might achieve higher cornering speeds but the additional drag would limit even more it's top speed.

There is one area on a road course where a bike actually has an advantage over a car and that's the esse's. If the esse's are designed with a particular geometry a car will still need to make significant turning movements whereas a motorcycle may be able to treat it as almost straight and not lift at all.

But, on most other turns a car will smoke a bike and in higher speed turns where down force plays a big role the difference in speed can be more than 2X as fast (4X the g force) in a car.


Brian

 

[mnewsham]

True enough ... however I said ANY bike would be lapped within about 5 laps but there are plenty of cars that would hold out much longer before being lapped.

The ultimate cornering ability of a car with aero down force is MUCH higher than that of any motorcycle because bikes can't really have much down force. It's possible to imagine a bike with active wings that might achieve higher cornering speeds but the additional drag would limit even more it's top speed.

There is one area on a road course where a bike actually has an advantage over a car and that's the esse's. If the esse's are designed with a particular geometry a car will still need to make significant turning movements whereas a motorcycle may be able to treat it as almost straight and not lift at all.

But, on most other turns a car will smoke a bike and in higher speed turns where down force plays a big role the difference in speed can be more than 2X as fast (4X the g force) in a car.


Brian

Youre still talking F1 though which is several hundred thousand dollars per vehicle more than any bike, even one of the highest end bikes out there which could keep up decently well on straights and such would be under $100k no problem. Not really a fair comparison.


if you wanted to go all out $135k will get you an MTT Y2K Jet Turbine superbike.

Top speed around 240-250mph.

 

[norseamd]

the irony of course is that f1 cars are severely handicapped by regulation

 

[mnewsham]

the irony of course is that f1 cars are severely handicapped by regulation

part of that is for safety reasons, the other part is the industry wants R&D focused on more environmentally friendly engine designs.

 

[norseamd]

part of that is for safety reasons, the other part is the industry wants R&D focused on more environmentally friendly engine designs.

and the other 3 quarters is politics