Why are fobs not used for residential homes?

tokie

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Fobs are extremely common in workplaces. Some cars are starting to have them built in as well.

Why are new residential homes still being built with metal keys like it is 1920?
 

smackababy

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I thought this was about Asians at first, but realized it is something I've been arguing about for years. In my grandmother's house, her alarm has a key fob.

I wish I could get keyless entry for my house. =(
 

sdifox

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Fobs are extremely common in workplaces. Some cars are starting to have them built in as well.

Why are new residential homes still being built with metal keys like it is 1920?

Pointless. FOBs are useful for entrances with a lot of people that need access. Condos, sure. Homes, not so much.
 

drebo

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You can get them if you want them. The issue is that most residential doors are not wired for it.
 

tokie

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Pointless. FOBs are useful for entrances with a lot of people that need access. Condos, sure. Homes, not so much.

Imagine if a kid locks themselves out of the home. Assuming a proper server setup, the parent (from work) could remotely let the kid in.

Also I would think it would be much more secure.
 

sdifox

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Imagine if a kid locks themselves out of the home. Assuming a proper server setup, the parent (from work) could remotely let the kid in.

Also I would think it would be much more secure.

Keypadded doorlock solves that problem.

Or go home automation with camera and remote control.

All end up cheaper/more suitable than FOB.
 

Pardus

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Fobs are extremely common in workplaces. Some cars are starting to have them built in as well.

Why are new residential homes still being built with metal keys like it is 1920?

Electronic fobs that are used to arm/disarm most cars today can be easily hacked with a code grabber. Aftermarket alarm systems are much better than the manufacturer ones. Using a deadbolt and an alarm system is still the best way to protect your property.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22176874/new-auto-theft-device
 

smackababy

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Electronic fobs that are used to arm/disarm most cars today can be easily hacked with a code grabber. Aftermarket alarm systems are much better than the manufacturer ones. Using a deadbolt and an alarm system is still the best way to protect your property.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22176874/new-auto-theft-device

I have yet to have my car broken into or stolen by a code grabber, despite hearing all the scary news about them years ago. The reality is, any simple lock will deter 90% of criminals because it makes it just hard enough they can't just walk in. A deadbolt and an alarm only go so far. It is highly unlikely you have every window alarmed, and a thief could just as easily get into one of those.

The responses to an alarm are laughable anyway. I visited my grandmother's house while she was on vacation to take care of some things and forgot the alarm passcode. A police officer showed up and I explained the situation, he disarmed the alarm for me and left.

The convenience of being able to unlock my house without having to use some archaic key would be very appealing for all but the most paranoid.
 
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Imagine if a kid locks themselves out of the home. Assuming a proper server setup, the parent (from work) could remotely let the kid in.

security companies already offer that feature. it's as worthless in the present as in the future. seriously, how many times would you need that feature? and you would still have keys in the wild.

Also I would think it would be much more secure.

absolutely not. cars still get stolen all the time, computers still get hijacked all the time, and i wish you luck if the power goes out for 24 hours or more.

businesses use it because they can quickly and easily control volumes of non-burglar people passing through doors, which is probably worth trading off security and cost. for a home, i could hardly think of a more expensive security and reliability downgrade.
 

CZroe

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I thought this was about Asians at first, but realized it is something I've been arguing about for years. In my grandmother's house, her alarm has a key fob.

I wish I could get keyless entry for my house. =(

The proximity keyless entry systems like many cars have would be a terrible idea. Leave your keys too close to the door and it's open all day/night. Go see who's at the door with your fob in your pocket and they let themselves right in!
 
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Kaido

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Fobs are extremely common in workplaces. Some cars are starting to have them built in as well.

Why are new residential homes still being built with metal keys like it is 1920?

1. Homes are not mass produced
2. People who build homes learn it as a trade
3. Not a standard feature
4. No good off-the-shelf products

Homes are built by people who are good with their hands. I worked for a homebuilding contract for awhile in college. Most homes are still built with highly-flammable wood, which means your house burns down if it catches on fire, instead of newer materials like insulated concrete forms. So there's the traditional, hand-me-down generational knowledge, and electronics usually aren't a big part of that. Cars are massed-produced by the thousands; homes are usually only mass-produced if they're trailer homes or prefabs.

Plus, it's not a standard feature on homes, and there's really no good off-the-shelf products available, partly because there are a lot of issues involved. The best system would have the following features:

1. Electric line for constant power
2. Battery backup for power outages
3. Manual backup (mechanical key) for power outage
4. Easy system to "change keys" (ex. if an RFID card gets stolen)
5. Smarthome integration (Bluetooth & Wifi support for smartphones & computers) with remote access

So now you have the following problems:

1. Run electric to an area that usually doesn't have it. A lot of doors have side glass windows to peek out, so you'd have to figure out a way to get the power through that. You'd really want it on the door frame portion as well, so that you could buy a standard door and retrofit the electric lock in the standard hole, but have the battery & electrical connections permanently-mounted in the frame.

2. User has to replace battery. This is an optional feature, but if you're going to pay for an electric door system, then you probably want something that can handle being out of power for an hour or two and still work. You'd still need a mechanical key for emergencies, but again, if you're paying for an electric system, then you want it to work and not have to carry a traditional key with you. In a car's RFID system, the battery is constantly being recharged, so it's rarely an issue, which is why it "works".

3. You'd need some kind of easy re-authentication system to pair new or replacement keys, like if a card gets stolen or something. So you'd need a re-order kit, and you'd have to make sure the company was strong enough to not go bankrupt after a few years so that you could still get support for the batteries, replacement RFID tags, etc.

4. You'd need a programming team to keep the system updated, if you wanted smarthome integration - iPhone/Android/Blackberry/Windows Phone apps, a computer interface, integration into control systems like Crestron, Savant, and Control4, that type of thing. And because those systems are constantly being updated, you need to pay programmers all year long to keep the system updated, as well as fix bugs, install security patches, and so on.

There are a few nice ones on the market or coming out soon:

https://lockitron.com/preorder

http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/default.aspx

http://www.gojiaccess.com/shop-goji.html

http://www.getdoorbot.com/

http://www.gokeyless.com/

But, it's a difficult problem because it really requires ongoing company support to be viable - software updates, batteries, replacement keycards, etc. With a mechanical doorlock, it ALWAYS works, and if it doesn't, you just call the local locksmith to fix it, or swing by Home Depot and fix it yourself.
 

Kaido

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The proximity keyless entry systems like many cars have would be a terrible idea. Leave your keys too close to the door and it's open all day/night. Go see who's at the door with your fob in your pocket and they let themselves right in!

There's tricks you can do with sensors. Nissan's smartkey system detects when you're inside the car, for example.
 

Kaido

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sdifox

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Kaido

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Fobs are extremely common in workplaces. Some cars are starting to have them built in as well.

Also, you usually pay a service a monthly fee to handle the fob stuff. You have to monitor the system, troubleshoot issues (because no matter how simple "lock/unlock" is, something will always go wrong), issue new fobs, etc.
 

Kaido

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I change mine regularly and the code can be up to 8

And here you are with nearly 50k posts on a high-tech online forum. You are not a typical non-technical consumer
 

smackababy

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The proximity keyless entry systems like many cars have would be a terrible idea. Leave your keys too close to the door and it's open all day/night. Go see who's at the door with your fob in your pocket and they let themselves right in!

Not really. Cars know what side of the car you're on and whether you're inside or not.
 

tokie

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The proximity keyless entry systems like many cars have would be a terrible idea. Leave your keys too close to the door and it's open all day/night. Go see who's at the door with your fob in your pocket and they let themselves right in!

What?

Every building I have used fobs for has it set up where it is effectively like NFC/PayPass. Meaning you have to be within an inch of the sensor.

You could not leave the pass in your pocket and unlock the door. Unless you lifted your pants up to the sensor or you are ludicrously tall.
 
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