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pradeep1

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Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: RallyMaster
Age has no bearing on how much wisdom one has. To be honest, you need to take your head out of where the light don't shine and realize that you are desperately trying to win an argument you have already lost.

Let me guess...you are 17 too? Nevertheless, age does have a bearing on wisdom. Sure, young people can be wise too, but not when they are claiming that Indian women should change their attire just because they now live in the US. Do you even know what a Salwar-Kameez or a Sari is?

There was no argument to win. It was just a bunch of visceral opinions expressed by anonymous users on a message board. My posts were almost entirely about calling them out on it. Thanks for keeping score, though. I assure you, it was entirely unnecessary.


You rule. If I post just a few more times, then this thread might grow to become one of the largest on ATOT history. Let's roll. Keep it going...we are at 8 pages already.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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I've raised the white flag athithi, I give up and surrender. You win.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts" - Bertrand Russell
 

pradeep1

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I've raised the white flag athithi, I give up and surrender. You win.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts" - Bertrand Russell

Maybe we should start a new ATOT club dedicated to this.
 

steppinthrax

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: EKKC
i dont care if they're competitive. i just can't stand the smell.
a female coworker who is an indian smelled like a dish of curry that stayed unrefrigerated overnight. i don't know if she notices, but i had to walk away every 10 minutes that day i worked with her to get fresh air.

she was removed from a client site. rumor has it (read: my boss told me) its because of the food she brings in to the client site and eat at her desk. other people can't stand it.

i know you're not supposed to lose your own identity and culture, but damn, when it affects others to perform their job normally, something's gotta change
There's another issue I have with a lot of Indians. It's mostly something I see in the ones that haven't been here very long and still have a clear accent.

You're in another country, ADAPT!

All you have to do is take a shower everyday and not cook with 50 different spices at 8am in the morning, it's not very hard. If you still smell like it, shower again with different soaps and shampoo, and then put something on to cover any smell.

I'd say this is an issue with the person and someone should let them know, they may not ever realize it if they're not told about it. Politely let the know, maybe through an anonymous note. They might be a bit shocked at first, but it will be for their own benefit if they ever want to move up in the workplace or create a good relation with others working there.

JESUS, I though I was comming off on being a little offensive but this is just plain racist!!!!!
 

jai6638

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Originally posted by: sthaznpride17


I agree fully with the adapt to America idea, I tell that to my parents all the time. Considering I live in an area with tons of Indian fobs, I always think about how Indian ladies appear to still think they are India. I see Indian women walking down the street next to the grocery store or shopping mall wearing Salwar-Kameez or Sari's. Im like

There is nothing wrong with them wearing what they want to wear. They do not need to change their style of dressing just because they are in a diferent country. As long as it does not offend the locals, it should not make a difference. Americans in Dubai and India wear shorts. Maybe they should stop doing that because it does not agree with local customs? Puh-lease man.. give me a break ... Live and let live is what I say! and this is coming from a fellow 17 year old indian who has lived in Asia as well as America.

EDIT: I'd like to say, that I find this thread very amusing ..
 

EKKC

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Originally posted by: Svnla
I chuckle at some of the replies in this thread. Not just "Indians" play the "one up/I am better than you are" game. Around here, we have people <whites/blacks/asians/etc..> that drive Lexus/BMW or live in a big house that they barely can afford just to make them feel better.

they just don't know how to save money or manage their finances

indian people, chinese people do, but they love to one up others within the community. that's the whole point of this thread
 

AmpedSilence

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Quick Reply on the smell thing. Most People smell because they don't have a house fan or proper ventilation in their place of residence. Honestly, my parents cook everything under the sun (am Indian, also). But a big difference between my family and others? My parents dislike the smell also. They had a whole house fan installed just so that they could cook whatever they want, no matter how many spices are required. Turn on the house fan, problem of smelling fixed.

I don't think that most Indians know that they smell. I think it has to do with getting used to the smell. When i visit my uncles i don't smell anything when i in there house, but the second i leave i have to change immediately, the smell is VERY apparent then. The best example that i can think of is heat detecting goggles, obviously if the entire area is the same temperature as the target, you won't be able to see it; so now replace heat with smell.

About the competative thing... It's not an exclusive Indian thing. most my ideas have already been covered so no need to rehash. But it applies to everyone, regardless of race. I will second the idea that too much money too fast is what causes this (somewhere in the thread above me).

Oh, i was born in India and have lived here for the last 21 years; have no accent, and don't smell in a negative way (i think i smell nice )
 

BOLt

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Originally posted by: RollWave
Competition is just what Indian culture has fostered. In order to stand out and become something in a country of 2 billion people you have to be spectacular. Most of the indian immigrants I know that are here are only here because they were the ones that stood out, got scholarships and educations in India and then were able to get into the states... Competition is all they really know. Be the best. PERIOD.

Agreed.

Look at second-generation Indians, for example. You'll notice the "over-competitiveness" trait is much more subdued.

This trait is largely an environmental one. It's not because of race or ethnicity. Replace "Indian" in the OP with Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. and add the word "some" or "many", and you will have a valid statement. It is also because of philosophical factors imparted from parents and, to a lesser extent, peers. This trait can be seen in all races and ethnicities.

Addressing the OP, I think that particular couple bothers you a lot, so you've made some associations. It's natural, and I am glad that you have expressed your thoughts, but I hope that you will re-consider your experience as being representative of an entire ethnicity.

I speak from personal experience, as I am Indian and I have written essays and thought about this subject in great detail. I am not the absolute authority, but my words are not naive or ignorant, as some of the other posters have been.

By the way, one would be very backwards and incorrect to think that Native Americans should be called Indians.
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
Quick Reply on the smell thing. Most People smell because they don't have a house fan or proper ventilation in their place of residence. Honestly, my parents cook everything under the sun (am Indian, also). But a big difference between my family and others? My parents dislike the smell also. They had a whole house fan installed just so that they could cook whatever they want, no matter how many spices are required. Turn on the house fan, problem of smelling fixed.

I don't think that most Indians know that they smell. I think it has to do with getting used to the smell. When i visit my uncles i don't smell anything when i in there house, but the second i leave i have to change immediately, the smell is VERY apparent then. The best example that i can think of is heat detecting goggles, obviously if the entire area is the same temperature as the target, you won't be able to see it; so now replace heat with smell.

About the competative thing... It's not an exclusive Indian thing. most my ideas have already been covered so no need to rehash. But it applies to everyone, regardless of race. I will second the idea that too much money too fast is what causes this (somewhere in the thread above me).

Oh, i was born in India and have lived here for the last 21 years; have no accent, and don't smell in a negative way (i think i smell nice )


Ever lost a potential gf? You know why now.
 

AmpedSilence

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Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
Quick Reply on the smell thing. Most People smell because they don't have a house fan or proper ventilation in their place of residence. Honestly, my parents cook everything under the sun (am Indian, also). But a big difference between my family and others? My parents dislike the smell also. They had a whole house fan installed just so that they could cook whatever they want, no matter how many spices are required. Turn on the house fan, problem of smelling fixed.

I don't think that most Indians know that they smell. I think it has to do with getting used to the smell. When i visit my uncles i don't smell anything when i in there house, but the second i leave i have to change immediately, the smell is VERY apparent then. The best example that i can think of is heat detecting goggles, obviously if the entire area is the same temperature as the target, you won't be able to see it; so now replace heat with smell.

About the competative thing... It's not an exclusive Indian thing. most my ideas have already been covered so no need to rehash. But it applies to everyone, regardless of race. I will second the idea that too much money too fast is what causes this (somewhere in the thread above me).

Oh, i was born in India and have lived here for the last 21 years; have no accent, and don't smell in a negative way (i think i smell nice )


Ever lost a potential gf? You know why now.

I have probably lost many potential gf's for many reasons, but i can completely tell you smell is NOT one of them.
 

johnjohn320

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Man, I got banned once for laughing at a pregnant woman joke, and this racist thread (in its very title) runs free for 170+ replies?
 

jai6638

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Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Man, I got banned once for laughing at a pregnant woman joke, and this racist thread (in its very title) runs free for 170+ replies?

We indians are very accepting folk and don't mind laughing at ourselves..

This trait is largely an environmental one. It's not because of race or ethnicity. Replace "Indian" in the OP with Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. and add the word "some" or "many", and you will have a valid statement. It is also because of philosophical factors imparted from parents and, to a lesser extent, peers. This trait can be seen in all races and ethnicities.


I concur. I think parents are the main driving force behind the competitiveness..
 

91TTZ

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I've noticed this. It's pretty much common knowledge around here in NJ, which has a large Indian population.

Growing up, it was really pointed out to me by my best friend, who is Indian. He told me that it's mostly Indian vs. Indian jealousy, and that others won't be as affected by it as bad as they are.

One example is that when he buys something new, he doesn't like other Indians seeing it, because it'll be the talk of the town in his parents' social circle. I thought he was being paranoid but he turned out to be right on many occasions. Also, the whole marriage thing was a dealbreaker to him. In his parent's social circle, they tried their best to hook him up with their friend's daughters. He ignored it and ended up marrying an American.

Their culture is rooted in maintaining social classes and materialism. The one and only Indian that he was dating a while back was smoking hot, nice, and seemed smart. His parents demanded that he terminate the relationship when they found out her last name. Apparently she came from a line of peasants and seemstresses, while his last name denoted that people in his lineage were landowners.
 

RKS

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My 'rents weren't too happy with my non-Indian marriage decision. Now they get upset if they don't see their grandsons three times each week.

But then again her parents (highly educated) warned her against marrying a 'colored' person. Now, they too, can't handle being away from their grandsons for more than a few days.

edit: as far a competitiveness/jealousy; I don't think my family was too caught-up in it relating to material goods but they were competitive as far as education.
Out of all of my uncles my dad is they only one who did not have a physician in his offspring but my brother makes at least 3x what a doctor makes and I am a knuckle-dragger with my measly JD.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: BOLt

This trait is largely an environmental one. It's not because of race or ethnicity. Replace "Indian" in the OP with Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. and add the word "some" or "many", and you will have a valid statement. It is also because of philosophical factors imparted from parents and, to a lesser extent, peers. This trait can be seen in all races and ethnicities.

Addressing the OP, I think that particular couple bothers you a lot, so you've made some associations. It's natural, and I am glad that you have expressed your thoughts, but I hope that you will re-consider your experience as being representative of an entire ethnicity.

I speak from personal experience, as I am Indian and I have written essays and thought about this subject in great detail. I am not the absolute authority, but my words are not naive or ignorant, as some of the other posters have been.


It sounds like you are ignoring reality and are trying to take the moral high ground by spouting pre-canned PC nonsense.

You're making it seem as if traits and habits don't travel along ethnic lines.

You have a group of people (Indians) who had a caste system for a very long time. Class and materialism are part of their heritage. Of course they're going to be competitive.


I once argued with some ultra PC (liberal) guy who tried to tell me that there's no genetic difference between black people and white people, other than the color of their skin when they're born. He claimed to believe that any dark skinned black dude would sunburn just as fast as a pale white person would, since you have 2 equal people being subjected to the same environment. Admitting that there was a difference in effect from the sun would be saying that there's a difference between races. Just because different groups of people are equal doesn't mean they're the same. They have different habits, different tendencies, different capabilities. In liberal schools, they brainwash people into believing that this isn't true, and program people to dispel stereotypes even before seeing if it's true or not.
 

sthaznpride17

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Originally posted by: jai6638
Originally posted by: sthaznpride17


I agree fully with the adapt to America idea, I tell that to my parents all the time. Considering I live in an area with tons of Indian fobs, I always think about how Indian ladies appear to still think they are India. I see Indian women walking down the street next to the grocery store or shopping mall wearing Salwar-Kameez or Sari's. Im like

There is nothing wrong with them wearing what they want to wear. They do not need to change their style of dressing just because they are in a diferent country. As long as it does not offend the locals, it should not make a difference. Americans in Dubai and India wear shorts. Maybe they should stop doing that because it does not agree with local customs? Puh-lease man.. give me a break ... Live and let live is what I say! and this is coming from a fellow 17 year old indian who has lived in Asia as well as America.

EDIT: I'd like to say, that I find this thread very amusing ..


Perhaps I came across wrong. In no way I am trying to change how other people dress or behave. Like you said Live and Let Live. I believe very strongly in that line. It simply came to me when the idea of adapting to society came into the picture.

And to the person who said that since I am 17 I must know everything (sarcasm of course included), did I say I knew everything? I just posted what I have experienced. It is not the same for everybody. Bitter perhaps about something?


 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: BOLt

This trait is largely an environmental one. It's not because of race or ethnicity. Replace "Indian" in the OP with Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. and add the word "some" or "many", and you will have a valid statement. It is also because of philosophical factors imparted from parents and, to a lesser extent, peers. This trait can be seen in all races and ethnicities.

Addressing the OP, I think that particular couple bothers you a lot, so you've made some associations. It's natural, and I am glad that you have expressed your thoughts, but I hope that you will re-consider your experience as being representative of an entire ethnicity.

I speak from personal experience, as I am Indian and I have written essays and thought about this subject in great detail. I am not the absolute authority, but my words are not naive or ignorant, as some of the other posters have been.


It sounds like you are ignoring reality and are trying to take the moral high ground by spouting pre-canned PC nonsense.

You're making it seem as if traits and habits don't travel along ethnic lines.

You have a group of people (Indians) who had a caste system for a very long time. Class and materialism are part of their heritage. Of course they're going to be competitive.


I once argued with some ultra PC (liberal) guy who tried to tell me that there's no genetic difference between black people and white people, other than the color of their skin when they're born. He claimed to believe that any dark skinned black dude would sunburn just as fast as a pale white person would, since you have 2 equal people being subjected to the same environment. Admitting that there was a difference in effect from the sun would be saying that there's a difference between races. Just because different groups of people are equal doesn't mean they're the same. They have different habits, different tendencies, different capabilities. In liberal schools, they brainwash people into believing that this isn't true, and program people to dispel stereotypes even before seeing if it's true or not.

Sings to the tune of Barney the purple dinosaur: "everybody is equal, everybody is special, everybody is the same"

*puke* No they aren't.
 

thesurge

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: BOLt

This trait is largely an environmental one. It's not because of race or ethnicity. Replace "Indian" in the OP with Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. and add the word "some" or "many", and you will have a valid statement. It is also because of philosophical factors imparted from parents and, to a lesser extent, peers. This trait can be seen in all races and ethnicities.

Addressing the OP, I think that particular couple bothers you a lot, so you've made some associations. It's natural, and I am glad that you have expressed your thoughts, but I hope that you will re-consider your experience as being representative of an entire ethnicity.

I speak from personal experience, as I am Indian and I have written essays and thought about this subject in great detail. I am not the absolute authority, but my words are not naive or ignorant, as some of the other posters have been.


It sounds like you are ignoring reality and are trying to take the moral high ground by spouting pre-canned PC nonsense.

You're making it seem as if traits and habits don't travel along ethnic lines.

You have a group of people (Indians) who had a caste system for a very long time. Class and materialism are part of their heritage. Of course they're going to be competitive.


I once argued with some ultra PC (liberal) guy who tried to tell me that there's no genetic difference between black people and white people, other than the color of their skin when they're born. He claimed to believe that any dark skinned black dude would sunburn just as fast as a pale white person would, since you have 2 equal people being subjected to the same environment. Admitting that there was a difference in effect from the sun would be saying that there's a difference between races. Just because different groups of people are equal doesn't mean they're the same. They have different habits, different tendencies, different capabilities. In liberal schools, they brainwash people into believing that this isn't true, and program people to dispel stereotypes even before seeing if it's true or not.

One can argue that the lack of volatility in the caste system does not foster competitiveness. Since one cannot change their caste or rigid social status through action, competition should not be necessary.
 

athithi

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: BOLt

This trait is largely an environmental one. It's not because of race or ethnicity. Replace "Indian" in the OP with Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. and add the word "some" or "many", and you will have a valid statement. It is also because of philosophical factors imparted from parents and, to a lesser extent, peers. This trait can be seen in all races and ethnicities.

Addressing the OP, I think that particular couple bothers you a lot, so you've made some associations. It's natural, and I am glad that you have expressed your thoughts, but I hope that you will re-consider your experience as being representative of an entire ethnicity.

I speak from personal experience, as I am Indian and I have written essays and thought about this subject in great detail. I am not the absolute authority, but my words are not naive or ignorant, as some of the other posters have been.


It sounds like you are ignoring reality and are trying to take the moral high ground by spouting pre-canned PC nonsense.

You're making it seem as if traits and habits don't travel along ethnic lines.

You have a group of people (Indians) who had a caste system for a very long time. Class and materialism are part of their heritage. Of course they're going to be competitive.


I once argued with some ultra PC (liberal) guy who tried to tell me that there's no genetic difference between black people and white people, other than the color of their skin when they're born. He claimed to believe that any dark skinned black dude would sunburn just as fast as a pale white person would, since you have 2 equal people being subjected to the same environment. Admitting that there was a difference in effect from the sun would be saying that there's a difference between races. Just because different groups of people are equal doesn't mean they're the same. They have different habits, different tendencies, different capabilities. In liberal schools, they brainwash people into believing that this isn't true, and program people to dispel stereotypes even before seeing if it's true or not.

LOL An American lecturing Indians about materialism! The ironies never cease.

They have different habits, different tendencies, different capabilities

Incredible! You very succintly claimed the core principles of the caste system as your own! So now that you profess belief in the caste system, are you going to switch your stance and explain why it is right to believe that genes alone control habits, tendencies and capabilities or are you going to pull a Pradeep1 and claim that both you and the caste system are stupid?

Political correctness just describes the limitation in our ability to express what we do not fully comprehend. Simply bashing political correctness does not make your opinions correct. When you call something 'as you see it', you need to realize that as you see it is not necessarily as it may be. Could you be wrong? That is political correctness. No, you could never be wrong because your brain is unable to get past a fixed notion? That is absolutism and a fair indicator of intellectual shortcoming.

And to the 17 year old - no, I am not bitter about anything. If you believe your post sounded 'wrong', doesn't it naturally follow that my response was appropriate (since I was sarcastically pointing out that you were indeed wrong)? Do you believe your experience qualifies you to make the assertions you did? No? I suppose they were just opinions then? Guess what...I am right, still. Your opinions are simply a product of your limited experience and understanding and not in any way representative of what 1st generation Indians are or are not, for example, in terms of whether they feel jealous and competitive toward other people or whether they integrate well enough into American society.
 

tuteja1986

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Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Essentialy my wife and I know a lot of indian couples. As they are our freinds one thing we notice about them is they actively and indirectly try to compete with us on everything. Our children, Our electronics!!!!, Everything we do they try to compete with. Is this common???

Ohh boy... anand wouldn't be happy with your statement !!
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: athithi

LOL An American lecturing Indians about materialism! The ironies never cease.

By suggesting that it's "ironic" that an American is lecturing an Indian about materialism, you're suggesting that it's really the other way around. What you just did is claim that stereotyping is wrong, and then you threw in your own stereotype, only opposite of what I said.

You lose.

Political correctness just describes the limitation in our ability to express what we do not fully comprehend.

You obviously do not understand what political correctness means. Of course now that I've pointed that out, you're going to head over to Wikipedia, read about it, and try to rebut me with information that's very detailed, yet conflicting with what you said the first time in typical ATOT fashion.

Also, your tone only reinforces the stereotype. It seems you have a bone to pick.

You lose again.
 
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