Why are Millennials more...Liberal?

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norseamd

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Ron Paul is more of a constitutionalist than a libertarian. He is able to have liberal views on things like abortion and gay marriage by hiding behind state's rights, but I don't think he'd support abortion in his own state, maybe not even gay marriage, but I'm not sure about that.

which is why i say he supports libertarian views but is not a libertarian. why is he still in the republican party otherwise? the libertarians have their own party. the constitutionalists are more shit than the republicans last time i read about them on wikipedia
 

Retro Rob

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It just means that traditional media that has had a strong hold on opinion, such as talk radio and even tv news doesn't hold as much sway as before. That isn't a necessarily bad thing either, because talk radio is pretty much just as echo chamber.


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I understood what he meant, but I did like his implication that liberals are smarter because they open their mouths to receive every sliver of vomit the information age regurgitates to its disciples.

Perhaps more conservative minded folks, like myself, treat most of that information with a degree of healthy skepticism...even if what I read is in agreement with my viewpoint(s).
 

norseamd

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I understood what he meant, but I did like his implication that liberals are smarter because they open their mouths to receive every sliver of vomit the information age regurgitates to its disciples. Perhaps more conservative minded folks, like myself, treat most of that information with a degree of healthy skepticism...even if what I read is in agreement with my viewpoint(s).

then think about what you think and why

if you are skeptical of information you should be of traditional media also
 

fskimospy

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I understood what he meant, but I did like his implication that liberals are smarter because they open their mouths to receive every sliver of vomit the information age regurgitates to its disciples.

Perhaps more conservative minded folks, like myself, treat most of that information with a degree of healthy skepticism...even if what I read is in agreement with my viewpoint(s).

There's no evidence that's conservatives view information more skeptically than liberals do. The data generally shows that people:

1.) Treat data that confirms their biases as inherently trustworthy
2.) Treat data that opposes their biases skeptically and
3.) Think they don't do either of these things
 

momeNt

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There's no evidence that's conservatives view information more skeptically than liberals do. The data generally shows that people:

1.) Treat data that confirms their biases as inherently trustworthy
2.) Treat data that opposes their biases skeptically and
3.) Think they don't do either of these things

I do the exact opposite. Wait, does that mean I'm a communist?
 

blankslate

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I understood what he meant, but I did like his implication that liberals are smarter because they open their mouths to receive every sliver of vomit the information age regurgitates to its disciples.

Perhaps more conservative minded folks, like myself, treat most of that information with a degree of healthy skepticism...even if what I read is in agreement with my viewpoint(s).

I think not enough people (regardless of their political views) track down the original source of every story they see or hear from whatever media they get the story from.

However, the more comfortable one is latest avenue of information (the internet) the greater the opportunity one has to do so. Millenials, are more comfortable with that information that people of a certain age who are specifically catered to by politicians of a certain stripe.

Does that mean Millenials always try to find the originating source of stories? No, but they have more of an opportunity to than some who aren't as comfortable with computers and such.



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poofyhairguy

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they are not conservative at all

Little c conservative as in fiscal conservative.

Ron Paul is more of a constitutionalist than a libertarian. He is able to have liberal views on things like abortion and gay marriage by hiding behind state's rights, but I don't think he'd support abortion in his own state, maybe not even gay marriage, but I'm not sure about that.

Ron Paul simply shows how far conservatives have to go to reach a young audience. I know many Ron Paul fans and almost all of them wilter when you grill them about the details of his policies. All they know is he is a "conservative" whose entire social philosophy isn't based on getting rid of whatever makes Grandma May feel uncomfortable. Bring on small government, free drugs, prostitution, and marriage privatization.

The common element is clear: the authoritarian bend of the Republican Party has an expiration date on it. When I am old a person who votes based on their religion will be just another minority group that the then modern Republican Party will ignore.
 

piasabird

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The brainwashing liberal media and liberal schools make them good liberals. The government is also bankrolling half of them.
 

alzan

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Are you saying conservatives don't take advantage of the information age?

Perhaps liberals are more gullible for that very reason and believe bull**** that's plastered all over the internet, and therefore, are more suspicious and untrusting of everything. Secondly, its extremely easy to be ignorant since the "information age" allows folks to search for and find information that already agrees with preconceived views therefore reinforcing them instead of being forced to challenge them.

How can that be a good thing, particularly with places like Wikipedia where information can be manipulated by virtually anyone with a smart phone?

Sure, the information age serves a great purpose, but it isn't the holy grail of society and must be handled responsibly.

The articles on Wikipedia can be easily edited; the sources and references the articles are based on, not so much. Of course the sources can be cherry-picked as well. But a good and open-minded student can use the Internet to verify the sources for themselves. Wikipedia is a portal to knowledge and information, not an end unto itself.
 

Vic

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Edit: It's too bad they didn't ask the other generations about Millennials being self-centered twats. I'm sure that would have received an affirmative response in the 80-90% range.

While the baby boomers spent their whole lives piggybacking off the accomplishments of their parents and then secured the best pensions in the history of humanity by selling off America to foreign interests and leaving the future generations with crumbling infrastructure and in debt slavery.
 
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Vic

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There's no evidence that's conservatives view information more skeptically than liberals do. The data generally shows that people:

1.) Treat data that confirms their biases as inherently trustworthy
2.) Treat data that opposes their biases skeptically and
3.) Think they don't do either of these things

Makes me think of those "I don't trust the liberal media" bumper stickers. Ok, so you trust the "conservative media" then?
I don't trust the media, period.
 

fskimospy

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Makes me think of those "I don't trust the liberal media" bumper stickers. Ok, so you trust the "conservative media" then?
I don't trust the media, period.

I just find that people generally think they are far more objective and rational than they really are. It reminds me of how many people say that they are 'independents' when research into it finds that 'independent voters' are nearly as partisan as self avowed partisans, they just try to hide it.
 
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I just find that people generally think they are far more objective and rational than they really are. It reminds me of how many people say that they are 'independents' when research into it finds that 'independent voters' are nearly as partisan as self avowed partisans, they just try to hide it.


Oh, the irony......
 

fskimospy

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Oh, the irony......

What irony is this? I'm not someone like you that claims impartiality and then always conveniently ends up coming up with the same conclusion every time. (ie: whatever side you think black people aren't on)

I'm quite publicly very liberal. The only reason I wouldn't call myself a Democrat is that they aren't liberal enough for me, not because I somehow occupy the space between the parties.
 

Retro Rob

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What irony is this? I'm not someone like you that claims impartiality and then always conveniently ends up coming up with the same conclusion every time. (ie: whatever side you think black people aren't on)

I'm quite publicly very liberal. The only reason I wouldn't call myself a Democrat is that they aren't liberal enough for me, not because I somehow occupy the space between the parties.

Why not just profess Libertarianism then?
 

poofyhairguy

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I'm quite publicly very liberal. The only reason I wouldn't call myself a Democrat is that they aren't liberal enough for me, not because I somehow occupy the space between the parties.

As a neo-con I feel you. Parties are just too mainstream nowadays.
 

fskimospy

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Why not just profess Libertarianism then?

Because I am not a libertarian; I believe in an activist government that plays a significant role in the economy.

I am using liberal in its modern US sense, not in its classical liberalism sense.
 

werepossum

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To put it in the best way possible:

What was once a quest of asking "How can I climb the latter to prosperity?" became a simple quest of "How can I bring the top of the latter down to me?"
LOL That is almost profound.

The "They are poorer than their predecessor generations at the same point in their life cycles....." answers much. If one is succeeding, then ceding the fruits of one's labors to government looks increasingly like a bad idea. If one is failing, then ceding the fruits of one's labors to government in return for virtually anything looks like a winning proposition.
 
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