Originally posted by: airhendrix13
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: airhendrix13
the 4870 is already so hot that it's hard to believe that it could be OC'd much higher above the 700mhz cap on CCC anyway without 3rd party cooling.
Well it's HOT cause at idle the fan only runs at 14% give it or take. Ati thinks it's safe, I don't worry about it as long as the card is stable.
ATI should strive to improve the cooling by releasing a fix for the fan speed. Although it is an easy fix for most, for some this can be new territory. It is unacceptable that ATI has let this issue go unresolved for so long. But yes, that will significantly lower temps.
Originally posted by: Mem
I don't think I have any games that use Physx at the moment,I buy 5-6 new games(not including old budget games) a year so lets say 12 games over next 2 years before I upgrade again,how many will be using Physx and too powerful for my 4870 card at decent FPS?..not many if any.
Speaking of new games, Nvidia told us about two upcoming titles that will feature PhysX hardware acceleration. One of them is DICE's Mirror's Edge, which will feature awesome-looking first-person free running in a futuristic dystopia. Another is Natural Motion's Backbreaker, a third-person football sim. Nvidia claims studios have signed on to implement PhysX in another 10 games?and that's just in the month following the Ageia acquisition.
Originally posted by: airhendrix13
Originally posted by: Mem
I don't think I have any games that use Physx at the moment,I buy 5-6 new games(not including old budget games) a year so lets say 12 games over next 2 years before I upgrade again,how many will be using Physx and too powerful for my 4870 card at decent FPS?..not many if any.
Speaking of new games, Nvidia told us about two upcoming titles that will feature PhysX hardware acceleration. One of them is DICE's Mirror's Edge, which will feature awesome-looking first-person free running in a futuristic dystopia. Another is Natural Motion's Backbreaker, a third-person football sim. Nvidia claims studios have signed on to implement PhysX in another 10 games?and that's just in the month following the Ageia acquisition.
Link: http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15261/5
Sounds like a handful of titles are on the way at least.
We wouldn't be surprised to see Radeons gain physics support one way or another, though. Nvidia claims to be supporting an independent developer who wants to port PhysX to AMD cards, and truly widespread use of advanced physics effects may hinge on whether hardware from both companies supports the technology.
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: airhendrix13
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: airhendrix13
the 4870 is already so hot that it's hard to believe that it could be OC'd much higher above the 700mhz cap on CCC anyway without 3rd party cooling.
Well it's HOT cause at idle the fan only runs at 14% give it or take. Ati thinks it's safe, I don't worry about it as long as the card is stable.
ATI should strive to improve the cooling by releasing a fix for the fan speed. Although it is an easy fix for most, for some this can be new territory. It is unacceptable that ATI has let this issue go unresolved for so long. But yes, that will significantly lower temps.
We can always find faults or things to moan about,Nvidia video cards are getting bigger and bigger ,within 5 years I'll probably need a case just for my video cards alone ,this to me is unacceptable.
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: airhendrix13
Originally posted by: Mem
I don't think I have any games that use Physx at the moment,I buy 5-6 new games(not including old budget games) a year so lets say 12 games over next 2 years before I upgrade again,how many will be using Physx and too powerful for my 4870 card at decent FPS?..not many if any.
Speaking of new games, Nvidia told us about two upcoming titles that will feature PhysX hardware acceleration. One of them is DICE's Mirror's Edge, which will feature awesome-looking first-person free running in a futuristic dystopia. Another is Natural Motion's Backbreaker, a third-person football sim. Nvidia claims studios have signed on to implement PhysX in another 10 games?and that's just in the month following the Ageia acquisition.
Link: http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15261/5
Sounds like a handful of titles are on the way at least.
But how many will I have?..Yep not many.
Besides did you read this part ,
We wouldn't be surprised to see Radeons gain physics support one way or another, though. Nvidia claims to be supporting an independent developer who wants to port PhysX to AMD cards, and truly widespread use of advanced physics effects may hinge on whether hardware from both companies supports the technology.
So again it's still not an issue at this time.
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
PhysX and DX 10.1 are both vaporware in terms of game support that anyone should care about, so count both out for now.
Hot Deals prices for both have been in the low 200s so calling one cheaper isn't always accurate either.
Both ATI and nvidia have had driver issues, and the better nvidia vendors must be balanced against alleged manufacturing quality problems with the GTX cards.
At stock, the 4870 is faster. Setting a Catalyst profile is very easy then the card runs cool.
So: unless you plan to overclock and aren't able to watch for deals, the 4870 is still the better choice in my opinion.
At $2xx instead of $4xx the GTX 260 is now a decent choice though.
Originally posted by: airhendrix13
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: airhendrix13
Originally posted by: Mem
I don't think I have any games that use Physx at the moment,I buy 5-6 new games(not including old budget games) a year so lets say 12 games over next 2 years before I upgrade again,how many will be using Physx and too powerful for my 4870 card at decent FPS?..not many if any.
Speaking of new games, Nvidia told us about two upcoming titles that will feature PhysX hardware acceleration. One of them is DICE's Mirror's Edge, which will feature awesome-looking first-person free running in a futuristic dystopia. Another is Natural Motion's Backbreaker, a third-person football sim. Nvidia claims studios have signed on to implement PhysX in another 10 games?and that's just in the month following the Ageia acquisition.
Link: http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15261/5
Sounds like a handful of titles are on the way at least.
But how many will I have?..Yep not many.
Besides did you read this part ,
We wouldn't be surprised to see Radeons gain physics support one way or another, though. Nvidia claims to be supporting an independent developer who wants to port PhysX to AMD cards, and truly widespread use of advanced physics effects may hinge on whether hardware from both companies supports the technology.
So again it's still not an issue at this time.
You may not have them, but others may. I did read that part actually, and I mentioned it in my first post, but we have no idea if it is going to happen or not. If it did though, that would be great!
Originally posted by: natty1
Just out of curiousity, which card runs Crysis better at stock settings?
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
With the 9800GX2 being found for ~$285, I dont know how you can blindly recommend the 4870 to anyone......unless...well....yea.
Originally posted by: quadomatic
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
With the 9800GX2 being found for ~$285, I dont know how you can blindly recommend the 4870 to anyone......unless...well....yea.
Yeah...the 9800GX2 performs reallllllllllllly well, doesn't it? $285 is a steal. And it is, in fact, $285 on newegg right now. No rebates. $270 if you use Live.com cashback.
Originally posted by: Rebel44
Local prices (EU)
HD4870 335 USD
260GTX 400 USD
Why would anyone buy 260 for this price ???
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
PhysX and DX 10.1 are both vaporware in terms of game support that anyone should care about, so count both out for now.
Hot Deals prices for both have been in the low 200s so calling one cheaper isn't always accurate either.
Both ATI and nvidia have had driver issues, and the better nvidia vendors must be balanced against alleged manufacturing quality problems with the GTX cards.
At stock, the 4870 is faster. Setting a Catalyst profile is very easy then the card runs cool.
So: unless you plan to overclock and aren't able to watch for deals, the 4870 is still the better choice in my opinion.
At $2xx instead of $4xx the GTX 260 is now a decent choice though.
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
PhysX and DX 10.1 are both vaporware in terms of game support that anyone should care about, so count both out for now.
Along with the drivers will come a downloadable PhysX software pack containing free Unreal Tournament 3 maps, the full version of NetDevil's Warmonger, a couple of Nvidia demos, and sneak peeks at Object Software's Metal Knight Zero and Nurien Software's Nurien social-networking service......
.....two upcoming titles that will feature PhysX hardware acceleration. One of them is DICE's Mirror's Edge, which will feature awesome-looking first-person free running in a futuristic dystopia. Another is Natural Motion's Backbreaker, a third-person football sim. Nvidia claims studios have signed on to implement PhysX in another 10 games?and that's just in the month following the Ageia acquisition.
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
PhysX and DX 10.1 are both vaporware in terms of game support that anyone should care about, so count both out for now.
10.1 maybe but PhysX is now a prime reason to buy NVIDIA over ATI
Along with the drivers will come a downloadable PhysX software pack containing free Unreal Tournament 3 maps, the full version of NetDevil's Warmonger, a couple of Nvidia demos, and sneak peeks at Object Software's Metal Knight Zero and Nurien Software's Nurien social-networking service......
.....two upcoming titles that will feature PhysX hardware acceleration. One of them is DICE's Mirror's Edge, which will feature awesome-looking first-person free running in a futuristic dystopia. Another is Natural Motion's Backbreaker, a third-person football sim. Nvidia claims studios have signed on to implement PhysX in another 10 games?and that's just in the month following the Ageia acquisition.
Originally posted by: deerhunter716
Sure - a prime reason to DECREASE your FPS by a huge factor, lol