Why are Muslims portrayed as terrorists in movies/tv?

[ThEFeAR]

Originally posted by: Dragoon42

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
You know.... you knock on the holocaust and the rest of the world just becomes as enraged as the arabs do. So the open-mindedness isn't really a fair thing to say

I don't exactly think those who were enraged by the holocaust controversies are exactly suicide bombing arabs and touting guns in the street.

Most people who offended by the holocaust cartoons are people who are quite civilized.

oh right...locking people up in jail coz they have opposed view points is pretty fair. This is in reference to the guy who got locked up coz he was dissing on the holocaust. It was in EU. Can't find the article.

Touting guns in the street is a pretty common practice there. I mean...hey the US is over there touting guns in the street.

Article

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: SilentZero

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
They could stop being terrorists for one.

Exactly! If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....then its a duck!

No, it's a chicken .

But yeah, "They could stop being terrorists for one." sums it up. The majority of Muslim countries are hostile, and rule with the fist of the Koran, stating anyone who is not Muslim, is an infidel and deserves to die.

I don't believe we are innocent either though. Look at the case with the person in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity. Honestly, if we want respect of other nations, we should respect their laws. Their law states this man must die. The US has no right to say "Fvck your laws, do what I say."

Now, I love my country, but the current administration thinks they are Gods and Kings, and have a stick so far shoved up their collective asses, that it is coming out of their mouths.

really? if germany were to pass a law restarting the holocaust, we should just fsck off and let them be? theres something seriously wrong with your thought process that you can give such undue deference to "laws". the us isn't saying do what we say. the universal declaration of human rights makes this clear that it is totally unacceptable. it is barberous behavior and blatant religious oppression that cannot stand.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.


Apostasy and Human Rights
http://www.iheu.org/node/1541

 

[BlackAdam]

If you've seen Inside Man, you can't help but chuckle at the thread topic. "Ah sh*t, you're an arab"

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Becuase, they're the "common enemy" of today. Germans in the 1930s, Russians throughout the Cold War, and now the Muslims. History repeats itself, sometimes within itself. Movies also always represent the black man as a thug or gangster, and any chicano is automatically a drug dealer or coke addict.
Stereotypes sell (red scare movies anyone?)

 

[mjh]

This thread is brilliant. :disgust:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: mjh
This thread is brilliant. :disgust:

As if you've done anything to make it better :roll:

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Becuase, they're the "common enemy" of today. Germans in the 1930s, Russians throughout the Cold War, and now the Muslims. History repeats itself, sometimes within itself. Movies also always represent the black man as a thug or gangster, and any chicano is automatically a drug dealer or coke addict.
Stereotypes sell (red scare movies anyone?)

ugh but its not true. whats the last fun action film where the bad guys were muslims?

u have to think pretty hard to find one. to be politically correct for years now we'wve used other groups as the baddies, as i said, from white south african white supremacists, to under ground white supremacist nazi's, to the ira, to south american terrorists... to just strange white european guys with ambiguous accents...very popular.

 

[kalster]

Ignorance/bias

/thread

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: SilentZero

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
They could stop being terrorists for one.

Exactly! If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....then its a duck!

No, it's a chicken .

But yeah, "They could stop being terrorists for one." sums it up. The majority of Muslim countries are hostile, and rule with the fist of the Koran, stating anyone who is not Muslim, is an infidel and deserves to die.

I don't believe we are innocent either though. Look at the case with the person in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity. Honestly, if we want respect of other nations, we should respect their laws. Their law states this man must die. The US has no right to say "Fvck your laws, do what I say."

Now, I love my country, but the current administration thinks they are Gods and Kings, and have a stick so far shoved up their collective asses, that it is coming out of their mouths.

really? if germany were to pass a law restarting the holocaust, we should just fsck off and let them be? theres something seriously wrong with your thought process that you can give such undue deference to "laws". the us isn't saying do what we say. the universal declaration of human rights makes this clear that it is totally unacceptable. it is barberous behavior and blatant religious oppression that cannot stand.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.


Apostasy and Human Rights
http://www.iheu.org/node/1541

Wow, you just made a huge jump. It's not illegal in Afghanistan to be Christian. It's illegal to denounce your Islam.

Also, there is a huge difference from punishing one person, to punishing 6 million people.

I am Jewish, so don't try and turn this in to some Holocaust argument.

 

[Xecuter]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
They could stop being terrorists for one.

indeed.

That would be a good start.

Thats like saying that all Americans are Cowboys having duels and starting fights in Saloons.


You should stop being a cowboy :disgust:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Becuase, they're the "common enemy" of today. Germans in the 1930s, Russians throughout the Cold War, and now the Muslims. History repeats itself, sometimes within itself. Movies also always represent the black man as a thug or gangster, and any chicano is automatically a drug dealer or coke addict.
Stereotypes sell (red scare movies anyone?)

ugh but its not true. whats the last fun action film where the bad guys were muslims?

u have to think pretty hard to find one. to be politically correct for years now we'wve used other groups as the baddies, as i said, from white south african white supremacists, to under ground white supremacist nazi's, to the ira, to south american terrorists... to just strange white european guys with ambiguous accents...very popular.

He said movies/TV. I've seen many TV shows where the baddies are Muslim. Couple episodes of 24, some JAG, its not extremely common, but its still just as common as any other group being portrayed evilly. Again, stereotypes sell.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
They could stop being terrorists for one.

Um most aren't terrorists.
It's like if blacks were always street gangsters and thungs in movies, I'm sure you'd see an outrage. But most people don't care about muslims.
That said, I'm getting sick of pretty much all the asians in movies getting a martial arts role, or they're a stupid clueless guy.
Harold and Kumar was great

Well, get rid of the bad apples and I'll quit calling them terrorists.

yeah, cause its so easy even the United States of America couldn't do it with $500 Billion budget and a retarded dufus as their president :roll:

 

[mrrman]

because they are..or the dominant group

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: SilentZero

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
They could stop being terrorists for one.

Exactly! If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....then its a duck!

No, it's a chicken .

But yeah, "They could stop being terrorists for one." sums it up. The majority of Muslim countries are hostile, and rule with the fist of the Koran, stating anyone who is not Muslim, is an infidel and deserves to die.

I don't believe we are innocent either though. Look at the case with the person in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity. Honestly, if we want respect of other nations, we should respect their laws. Their law states this man must die. The US has no right to say "Fvck your laws, do what I say."

Now, I love my country, but the current administration thinks they are Gods and Kings, and have a stick so far shoved up their collective asses, that it is coming out of their mouths.

really? if germany were to pass a law restarting the holocaust, we should just fsck off and let them be? theres something seriously wrong with your thought process that you can give such undue deference to "laws". the us isn't saying do what we say. the universal declaration of human rights makes this clear that it is totally unacceptable. it is barberous behavior and blatant religious oppression that cannot stand.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.


Apostasy and Human Rights
http://www.iheu.org/node/1541

Wow, you just made a huge jump. It's not illegal in Afghanistan to be Christian. It's illegal to denounce your Islam.

Also, there is a huge difference from punishing one person, to punishing 6 million people.

I am Jewish, so don't try and turn this in to some Holocaust argument.

sorry, u have no moral authority unless you were actually in a camp. so don't try that route. let alone when you are defending a religion that in large part is spending its time embracing the ideas of the nazi's.

sorry, religious freedom is more important that another religion being offended that you decided to leave and feels denounced by the action. and its sad that your moral view is just based on numbers. early on in the holocaust when only a few were dead you'd have nothing to say. just let the attrocities continue, its law, its ok, we can't be arrogant and intrude, injustice be damned

people like you elect bush, and thats just sad.

 

[Dedpuhl]

...because movies about PETA and Greenpeace would suck.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Similar to how Russians were portrayed as evil commies int he 80s.

They were not "commies" but were forced under communist rule.

The majority of the Muslim world has not yet socially evolved, some have (UAE, and some other liberal Muslim areas in the middle east), but most have not.

Remember, before Christians socially evolved and liberalized, they were killing each other left and right.

The Muslim societies are simply lagging a bit behind in terms of social evolution.

Actually, this is a pretty uninformed, inaccurate statement. For instance: did you know Iran is one of the most pro-USA countries in the region? The youth of the country love our music and culture, even though the mullahs despise us and organize flag burning rallies for the tv cameras. As with this country, don't believe everything you see on TV.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: SilentZero

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
They could stop being terrorists for one.

Exactly! If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....then its a duck!

No, it's a chicken .

But yeah, "They could stop being terrorists for one." sums it up. The majority of Muslim countries are hostile, and rule with the fist of the Koran, stating anyone who is not Muslim, is an infidel and deserves to die.

I don't believe we are innocent either though. Look at the case with the person in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity. Honestly, if we want respect of other nations, we should respect their laws. Their law states this man must die. The US has no right to say "Fvck your laws, do what I say."

Now, I love my country, but the current administration thinks they are Gods and Kings, and have a stick so far shoved up their collective asses, that it is coming out of their mouths.

really? if germany were to pass a law restarting the holocaust, we should just fsck off and let them be? theres something seriously wrong with your thought process that you can give such undue deference to "laws". the us isn't saying do what we say. the universal declaration of human rights makes this clear that it is totally unacceptable. it is barberous behavior and blatant religious oppression that cannot stand.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.


Apostasy and Human Rights
http://www.iheu.org/node/1541

Wow, you just made a huge jump. It's not illegal in Afghanistan to be Christian. It's illegal to denounce your Islam.

Also, there is a huge difference from punishing one person, to punishing 6 million people.

I am Jewish, so don't try and turn this in to some Holocaust argument.

sorry, u have no moral authority unless you were actually in a camp. so don't try that route. let alone when you are defending a religion that in large part is spending its time embracing the ideas of the nazi's.

sorry, religious freedom is more important that another religion being offended that you decided to leave and feels denounced by the action. and its sad that your moral view is just based on numbers. early on in the holocaust when only a few were dead you'd have nothing to say. just let the attrocities continue, its law, its ok, we can't be arrogant and intrude

people like you elect bush, and thats just sad.

I would never elect Bush, he is a retard, and should never have gotten the Presidency. My entire family on my mothers side was in the Holocaust, and only 4 people survived. Don't you dare say I have no moral authority on this issue. I saw first hand what something like the Holocaust can do to a family.

The difference between Germany and Afghanistan is that these are Afghanistan's laws, even under their constitution that we helped write. Germany had one man, Hitler, organize people in to hatred. This man is either going to die from the court, or when he leaves the court, all the hundreds to thousands of people outside will tear him apart. The reason the US is hated is we interfere in the internal policies of every country we can.

I am not defending their religion, I am defending their laws. If the US wants to help them, you need to get Afghanistan's officials to try and change their laws.

I will be blunt, I have found one, maybe two muslims I could tolerate and talk to. All the others were so swayed by religious beliefs that I wanted to punch them. The reason I have my views about this situation among many others, I am sick and tired of the US being hated by everyone in the world except the EU-3.

If the US wants to gain the respect of other countries, especially Muslim ones who's laws are so intertwined with the Koran, we need to do it in a less direct way. We get the elected government to institute change, and show them that the West is not a bunch of infidels, and has something to offer them. I don't know if you saw that video posted here the other day with the woman arguing about how backwards these countries are. I agree with her wholeheartedly, but you just can't expect a place like Afghanistan, which was ruled by the Taliban, to do an about face.

Also, I have my views, because I saw first hand what the US policy does. I literally saw the Twin Towers come down from my town. We can see the NYC sky line, and it was one of the worst feelings I ever had. I was extremely pro-war at the time, even though I didn't agree with the Bush politics. I wanted to see every fvcking arab burn because of what a group of people did. Over time, I realized this is because the US thinks they are the police of the world. But you know what happens to every police force that is too overpowering? People revolt and riot, and this is what's happening to us now. Over time, there will be more strikes on US soil, and it will be our own fault, because either we did something to anger someone, or the US's intelligence service was too stupid to interpret intelligence it received.

I also believe Zacarias Moussaoui should have been killed long ago, and that this trial is BS, and he won't get the death penalty cause of that one fvcking lawyer from the TSA.

 

[Shame]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
It is what it is. The US is viewed just as badly by many others. It evens out

QFT
Unfair but true...Same reason I despise the US to my last gutt.

Your hypocrisy is that your sig is asking for money for Pakistani eathquake victims, presumedly from Americans, since a majority of Anandtech members are presumedly American...

You can kindly return the donations to:

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 6D17
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Ah hell, keep the money, just send us bin Laden! Thanks in advance!

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Becuase, they're the "common enemy" of today. Germans in the 1930s, Russians throughout the Cold War, and now the Muslims. History repeats itself, sometimes within itself. Movies also always represent the black man as a thug or gangster, and any chicano is automatically a drug dealer or coke addict.
Stereotypes sell (red scare movies anyone?)

ugh but its not true. whats the last fun action film where the bad guys were muslims?

u have to think pretty hard to find one. to be politically correct for years now we'wve used other groups as the baddies, as i said, from white south african white supremacists, to under ground white supremacist nazi's, to the ira, to south american terrorists... to just strange white european guys with ambiguous accents...very popular.

He said movies/TV. I've seen many TV shows where the baddies are Muslim. Couple episodes of 24, some JAG, its not extremely common, but its still just as common as any other group being portrayed evilly. Again, stereotypes sell.

still a huge stretch. how many episodes of 24? i seem to remember terrorists other than muslim on that show don't u? what you claim is there is a disproportionate representation of muslims but what is more apparent is that there is actually less representation than u think, let alone anywhere near proportional in comparison to what goes on in international terror in the real world. the complainers always make it seem like every show and film has arab muslims as terrorists, its just not true. its just one of those things that if you think about it the less sense it makes. only one season of the 5 seasons of 24 was obviously muslim.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: Printer Bandit
What can we do to help change that sterotype?

Save yourself a lot of angst and give up on this thought. There are too many mindless, jingoistic idiots in America that will always hold this stereotype as long as a very small minority of muslims participate in terrorist activities.

This thread is likely full of those idiots, but I'm not about to read through it and confirm this belief.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Printer Bandit
What can we do to help change that sterotype?

you could get the radical islamic terrorists to stop being terrorists
that would be a good start

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: SilentZero

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
They could stop being terrorists for one.

Exactly! If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....then its a duck!

No, it's a chicken .

But yeah, "They could stop being terrorists for one." sums it up. The majority of Muslim countries are hostile, and rule with the fist of the Koran, stating anyone who is not Muslim, is an infidel and deserves to die.

I don't believe we are innocent either though. Look at the case with the person in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity. Honestly, if we want respect of other nations, we should respect their laws. Their law states this man must die. The US has no right to say "Fvck your laws, do what I say."

Now, I love my country, but the current administration thinks they are Gods and Kings, and have a stick so far shoved up their collective asses, that it is coming out of their mouths.

really? if germany were to pass a law restarting the holocaust, we should just fsck off and let them be? theres something seriously wrong with your thought process that you can give such undue deference to "laws". the us isn't saying do what we say. the universal declaration of human rights makes this clear that it is totally unacceptable. it is barberous behavior and blatant religious oppression that cannot stand.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.


Apostasy and Human Rights
http://www.iheu.org/node/1541

Wow, you just made a huge jump. It's not illegal in Afghanistan to be Christian. It's illegal to denounce your Islam.

Also, there is a huge difference from punishing one person, to punishing 6 million people.

I am Jewish, so don't try and turn this in to some Holocaust argument.

sorry, u have no moral authority unless you were actually in a camp. so don't try that route. let alone when you are defending a religion that in large part is spending its time embracing the ideas of the nazi's.

sorry, religious freedom is more important that another religion being offended that you decided to leave and feels denounced by the action. and its sad that your moral view is just based on numbers. early on in the holocaust when only a few were dead you'd have nothing to say. just let the attrocities continue, its law, its ok, we can't be arrogant and intrude

people like you elect bush, and thats just sad.

I would never elect Bush, he is a retard, and should never have gotten the Presidency. My entire family on my mothers side was in the Holocaust, and only 4 people survived. Don't you dare say I have no moral authority on this issue. I saw first hand what something like the Holocaust can do to a family.

The difference between Germany and Afghanistan is that these are Afghanistan's laws, even under their constitution that we helped write. Germany had one man, Hitler, organize people in to hatred. This man is either going to die from the court, or when he leaves the court, all the hundreds to thousands of people outside will tear him apart. The reason the US is hated is we interfere in the internal policies of every country we can.

I am not defending their religion, I am defending their laws. If the US wants to help them, you need to get Afghanistan's officials to try and change their laws.

I will be blunt, I have found one, maybe two muslims I could tolerate and talk to. All the others were so swayed by religious beliefs that I wanted to punch them. The reason I have my views about this situation among many others, I am sick and tired of the US being hated by everyone in the world except the EU-3.

If the US wants to gain the respect of other countries, especially Muslim ones who's laws are so intertwined with the Koran, we need to do it in a less direct way. We get the elected government to institute change, and show them that the West is not a bunch of infidels, and has something to offer them. I don't know if you saw that video posted here the other day with the woman arguing about how backwards these countries are. I agree with her wholeheartedly, but you just can't expect a place like Afghanistan, which was ruled by the Taliban, to do an about face.

Also, I have my views, because I saw first hand what the US policy does. I literally saw the Twin Towers come down from my town. We can see the NYC sky line, and it was one of the worst feelings I ever had. I was extremely pro-war at the time, even though I didn't agree with the Bush politics. I wanted to see every fvcking arab burn because of what a group of people did. Over time, I realized this is because the US thinks they are the police of the world. But you know what happens to every police force that is too overpowering? People revolt and riot, and this is what's happening to us now. Over time, there will be more strikes on US soil, and it will be our own fault, because either we did something to anger someone, or the US's intelligence service was too stupid to interpret intelligence it received.

I also believe Zacarias Moussaoui should have been killed long ago, and that this trial is BS, and he won't get the death penalty cause of that one fvcking lawyer from the TSA.

sorry, an unjust law is an unjust law, it doesn't matter how it was written or passed. let alone one that is obviously universally abhorent to anyone who is civilized. laws like these are passed not to kill one man, but to keep an entire population in fear.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: SilentZero

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
They could stop being terrorists for one.

Exactly! If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....then its a duck!

No, it's a chicken .

But yeah, "They could stop being terrorists for one." sums it up. The majority of Muslim countries are hostile, and rule with the fist of the Koran, stating anyone who is not Muslim, is an infidel and deserves to die.

I don't believe we are innocent either though. Look at the case with the person in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity. Honestly, if we want respect of other nations, we should respect their laws. Their law states this man must die. The US has no right to say "Fvck your laws, do what I say."

Now, I love my country, but the current administration thinks they are Gods and Kings, and have a stick so far shoved up their collective asses, that it is coming out of their mouths.

really? if germany were to pass a law restarting the holocaust, we should just fsck off and let them be? theres something seriously wrong with your thought process that you can give such undue deference to "laws". the us isn't saying do what we say. the universal declaration of human rights makes this clear that it is totally unacceptable. it is barberous behavior and blatant religious oppression that cannot stand.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.


Apostasy and Human Rights
http://www.iheu.org/node/1541

Wow, you just made a huge jump. It's not illegal in Afghanistan to be Christian. It's illegal to denounce your Islam.

Also, there is a huge difference from punishing one person, to punishing 6 million people.

I am Jewish, so don't try and turn this in to some Holocaust argument.

sorry, u have no moral authority unless you were actually in a camp. so don't try that route. let alone when you are defending a religion that in large part is spending its time embracing the ideas of the nazi's.

sorry, religious freedom is more important that another religion being offended that you decided to leave and feels denounced by the action. and its sad that your moral view is just based on numbers. early on in the holocaust when only a few were dead you'd have nothing to say. just let the attrocities continue, its law, its ok, we can't be arrogant and intrude

people like you elect bush, and thats just sad.

I would never elect Bush, he is a retard, and should never have gotten the Presidency. My entire family on my mothers side was in the Holocaust, and only 4 people survived. Don't you dare say I have no moral authority on this issue. I saw first hand what something like the Holocaust can do to a family.

The difference between Germany and Afghanistan is that these are Afghanistan's laws, even under their constitution that we helped write. Germany had one man, Hitler, organize people in to hatred. This man is either going to die from the court, or when he leaves the court, all the hundreds to thousands of people outside will tear him apart. The reason the US is hated is we interfere in the internal policies of every country we can.

I am not defending their religion, I am defending their laws. If the US wants to help them, you need to get Afghanistan's officials to try and change their laws.

I will be blunt, I have found one, maybe two muslims I could tolerate and talk to. All the others were so swayed by religious beliefs that I wanted to punch them. The reason I have my views about this situation among many others, I am sick and tired of the US being hated by everyone in the world except the EU-3.

If the US wants to gain the respect of other countries, especially Muslim ones who's laws are so intertwined with the Koran, we need to do it in a less direct way. We get the elected government to institute change, and show them that the West is not a bunch of infidels, and has something to offer them. I don't know if you saw that video posted here the other day with the woman arguing about how backwards these countries are. I agree with her wholeheartedly, but you just can't expect a place like Afghanistan, which was ruled by the Taliban, to do an about face.

Also, I have my views, because I saw first hand what the US policy does. I literally saw the Twin Towers come down from my town. We can see the NYC sky line, and it was one of the worst feelings I ever had. I was extremely pro-war at the time, even though I didn't agree with the Bush politics. I wanted to see every fvcking arab burn because of what a group of people did. Over time, I realized this is because the US thinks they are the police of the world. But you know what happens to every police force that is too overpowering? People revolt and riot, and this is what's happening to us now. Over time, there will be more strikes on US soil, and it will be our own fault, because either we did something to anger someone, or the US's intelligence service was too stupid to interpret intelligence it received.

I also believe Zacarias Moussaoui should have been killed long ago, and that this trial is BS, and he won't get the death penalty cause of that one fvcking lawyer from the TSA.

sorry, an unjust law is an unjust law, it doesn't matter how it was written or passed. let alone one that is obviously universally abhorent to anyone who is civilized. laws like these are passed not to kill one man, but to keep an entire population in fear.

I agree it is an unjust law. You missed the meaning of my post. It is an unjust law, but it is not our law. You said, "universally abhorent to anyone who is civilized", well these people aren't civilized. We are trying to make them civilized in a forceful way. That just doesn't work. We need to gradually make them civilized. The population is completely dead set on believing their religion to be the word of God, and if anyone does anything against their religion, they are infidels. Well, we need to show them this is wrong, but not by directly interfering in their legal system. We need to do what I said in my previous post.

We need to show we respect or at least tolerate them and their beliefs, even though we may not. If we don't tolerate them, they won't tolerate us.

 

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Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: Printer Bandit
What can we do to help change that sterotype?

Save yourself a lot of angst and give up on this thought. There are too many mindless, jingoistic idiots in America that will always hold this stereotype as long as a very small minority of muslims participate in terrorist activities.

This thread is likely full of those idiots, but I'm not about to read through it and confirm this belief.

you mean like the stereotype that all south africans were racist in the 1980's? sometimes stereotypes have a good reason behind them. and while muslims try to have people put to death for leaving their religion, kill people over cartoons and films on their religion, give various levels of support terror or make excuses for it, spend their time claiming oppression at every turn while they have no problems doing it themselves, defend gender apartheid, scream death to american and israel at every demonstration they hold, spend their time reading mein kampf and the protocols of the elders of zion, having childrens shows glorifying suicide terror, rabid homophobia, calling every goddamned terrorist a marytre and on and on... its going to stick for a while.

just for fun....
Ayatollah sistani issues fatwa calling for the torture and deaths of gays. he calls for the killing of homosexuals in the "worst, most severe way"
http://www.petertatchell.net/international/sistani.htm

 

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Because, on more than one occasion and repeatedly, the terrorists that are "out there" invoke the name of Allah and self identify as Muslim. If PETA or The Earth Liberation Front killed as many people as Muslim Terrorists have, they would be portrayed as well.
Furthermore, until the non- violent Muslim people denounce The Swords of Allah and other terrorist groups and accept the rights of Israel and other NON-MUSLIMS to exist and activley and constructivley work for peace, they will continue to be "The Bad Guys."