Why are no benchmarks ever run with 2x AA as well as 4x?

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BFG10K

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So you don't have any links to back up your statement 2X "is useless" so you've opted to attack me instead?
I opted to attack you? What the hell are you talking about? Dismissing 2xAA as useless is attacking you? How so? Do you even run 2xAA?

This thread is a 2xAA discussion.

I made a generalization that 2xAA is useless.

Then Trollo attacks me with a strawman that accuses me of demanding low resolutions - a scenario that he himself has pimped in the past when he was busy smacking himself over the 5800U - and demands an answer. In otherwords a blatant open attack on me, feigning to be a legimitate question.

When I pointed out I never said this and that he in fact said this in the past, he responds that nobody cares about past converasations and also that his rig can run at any setting he likes.

Good job BFG, I'm sure everyone takes your word for it and the mods will be glad you're taking their sticky seriously. Argumentative and non responsive.
You are one of the biggest trolls I have ever seen and I sincerely hope the mods ban as you as soon as possible.

Nobody cares about our discussions three years ago about the 5800U BFG.
Nobody cares about your comments/threads in general yet you continue to post them. For a guy that is "getting tired and wonders why he does it" you've sure lasted a long time.

I think it's sad when members of such long standing ignore the mods request for less flaming and baiting.
Not at all, I fully expected that from you.

I asked a relatively simple question, you didn't bother to defend your point, I guess all we can do is think you concede it. Works for me.
It would work for a troll with limited mental capacity.

I realize you for some reason still think I have a 5800Ultra, but I have two 7800GTXs pushed by a X2 4600+, there are no settings anyone on this planet can run that I can't.
Wonderful, would you like a cookie?

And don't forget to tell us how superior your son's rig is, and also that I'm jealous because you don't run at 16xAF.
 

Hacp

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I think we should have a double ban and make hacp elite status . Who concurs?
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
So you don't have any links to back up your statement 2X "is useless" so you've opted to attack me instead?
I opted to attack you? What the hell are you talking about? Dismissing 2xAA as useless is attacking you? How so? Do you even run 2xAA?

This thread is a 2xAA discussion.

I made a generalization that 2xAA is useless.

Then Trollo attacks me with a strawman that accuses me of demanding low resolutions - a scenario that he himself has pimped in the past when he was busy smacking himself over the 5800U - and demands an answer. In otherwords a blatant open attack on me, feigning to be a legimitate question.

Sigh. BFG, you called me a name (Trollo) and said I would "get a clue" implying I was "clueless", and brought up the arguments of three years ago in response to an honest question here. I suggest you read the mods sticky about "flaming, baiting, and trolling". In any case, I'm reporting you to the mods for your name calling and baiting responses. Maybe they can remind you of why we don't need this sort of thing here better than I.

When I pointed out I never said this and that he in fact said this in the past, he responds that nobody cares about past converasations and also that his rig can run at any setting he likes.
It seemed a fair statement. I don't have a 5800U anymore, I don't play at 10X7 anymore. I was hoping to remind you that with hardware like mine I have a variety of options at my disposal now.

Good job BFG, I'm sure everyone takes your word for it and the mods will be glad you're taking their sticky seriously. Argumentative and non responsive.
You are one of the biggest trolls I have ever seen and I sincerely hope the mods ban as you as soon as possible.
We'll see who they ban after they read your latest flame fest here?

Nobody cares about our discussions three years ago about the 5800U BFG.
Nobody cares about your comments/threads in general yet you continue to post them. For a guy that is "getting tired and wonders why he does it" you've sure lasted a long time.
Nobody cares? That's odd. I get many, many PMs asking for advice. Many people thank me for the good work I do here. I supply insider info from time to time no one else does.
My threads get 100s or 1000s of hits and responses, I would compare them to any other member on the board.

Oh well. It's too bad you've opted to take the thread down into yet another "Trollo liked the 5800" flame fest. Most people probably were hoping to discuss 2XAA vs 4XAA, like I was doing.

I'll PM the mods and we'll see if they approve of your style of response, or mine. Ciao.


I think it's sad when members of such long standing ignore the mods request for less flaming and baiting.
Not at all, I fully expected that from you.
Like I said, we'll leave it up to the mods. Your post obviously violates their warning.

I asked a relatively simple question, you didn't bother to defend your point, I guess all we can do is think you concede it. Works for me.
It would work for a troll with limited mental capacity.
Its sad when long time forum members ignore the rules about name calling and flaming.

I realize you for some reason still think I have a 5800Ultra, but I have two 7800GTXs pushed by a X2 4600+, there are no settings anyone on this planet can run that I can't.
Wonderful, would you like a cookie?
Nope, just explaining that your repeated assertions that I think 10X7 is a great setting were fine 3 years ago, but I haven't seen 10X7 this year except for benching.

And don't forget to tell us how superior your son's rig is, and also that I'm jealous because you don't run at 16xAF.

Actually, my sons rig does rock, 3800+/6800GT SLI is a very fast computer, by any standards. He plays Lego Star Wars like the big dogs.

I said you were jealous of my changing video cards so much in the other thread because it's the only reason I could figure out you'd care, since I'm not stealing cards from you, and you've made a point of ridiculing my buying/use for years now.
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: BFG10K
2xAA is quite useless as it's generally too weak to remove jagged edges properly.

Link to reviews supporting your assertion? Settings involved so people don't overgeneralize?

Or is it your contention that 10X7 4XAA looks better than 20X15 2X AA, both RG AA?

What a stupid comparison Rollo, and you know it. Of course double the resolution is better than double AA at a low resolution like 10X7. Asinine.

BFG is right - 2X AA barely has an effect; it gives nearly "free" performance for a reason - the proof is in the pudding and it's just like no AA. But of course you have an emotional attachment to 2X AA because your 6600GT SLI performed so well with it on, so you will defend it tooth and nail like everything else you like.

Originally posted by: Hacp
I think we should have a double ban and make hacp elite status . Who concurs?

I was thinking more like weeklong vacations and give Hacp two cookies .


Originally posted by: Rollo
Some people mock Doom 3 gameplay, but I'll take walking into a room with a guy chained to a pentagram in the ceiling with his guts tacked open who screams and calls a horde of monsters who crawl in along the ceiling to shooting some guys in army suits running around an army base any day. With a normal rifle no less. How dull is rat-a-tat-tat compared to the stream of plasma balls or the gravity gun?

Bring on FEAR and Quake4!

The problem with Doom3 is that the situation you describe would go like this:

-Walk into room. Think 'it's dark as hell in here'
-Look up at ceiling. See a red pentagram and something dripping inside. Inner monologue: "Is that a guy with his guts hanging out on the ceiling?"
-Bring out the flashlight, "Yup, it's a guy with his guts hanging out on the ceiling alright. Oh my god there's imps everywhere"
-Switch to a gun, fire off a few rounds
-"There, that took care of one. Better find the others"
-Switch to Flashlight "Sh!t ! There's another one. He's headed right for me"
-Switch to gun, shoot (he runs off)
-Switch to flashlight, and follow the ah heck around

I am looking forward to Quake 4 though. Looks just like the old Quakes (which were fun) only bright enough that you can actually see.

Btw, shouldn't you be flip-flopping on the Gravity gun issue, since id put on in the Doom3 expansion pack? Personally I found the GG in HL2 to be one of the coolest toys in an FPS ever, and then end level where the GG gets supercharged, one of the coolest sequences in any FPS ever.
 

BFG10K

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I'm reporting you to the mods for your name calling and baiting responses.
Baiting responses? Let's take a look at how this started.

I originally posted:
2xAA is quite useless as it's generally too weak to remove jagged edges properly.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Rollo yet Rollo decided to attack me anyway and responded:

Link to reviews supporting your assertion?
Somebody that wants proof that 2xAA does next to nothing is either trolling or clueless. I'll let Rollo choose which.

The next response, still to the original comment which had NOTHING TO DO WITH ROLLO, yet he still felt obliged to answer anway:

Or is it your contention that 10X7 4XAA looks better than 20X15 2X AA, both RG AA?
An attempt to pedal a blatant lie onto me to make it sound like I'm saying this. The height of his arrogance is that this individual is responsible for posting trash such as this in the past.

So what was that about baiting responses Rollo? Like I said before you are an unbelievable troll and I hope the mods ban you like they did before.

It seemed a fair statement.
It sure did. To you anyway, but you're "special".

We'll see who they ban after they read your latest flame fest here?
If I'm not much mistaken you've already been banned before. Also you were banned from another forum as well IIRC. That track record speaks for itself.

Nobody cares? That's odd. I get many, many PMs asking for advice.
Says you.

My threads get 100s or 1000s of hits and responses, I would compare them to any other member on the board.
Sure, that's the nature of your spam, flamebaiting and trolling. That's why you do it - to generate responses and bring attention to yourself like a child.

I'll PM the mods and we'll see if they approve of your style of response, or mine. Ciao.
Yup, you do that tiger. Don't forget to remind them they've already banned you before and perhaps they can send your record to the next forum you infect.
 

BFG10K

Lifer
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But of course you have an emotional attachment to 2X AA because your 6600GT SLI performed so well with it on, so you will defend it tooth and nail like everything else you like.
Ah, now it all makes perfect sense That's why Rollo's getting so agitated if anyone dares to criticize 2xAA.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
I'm reporting you to the mods for your name calling and baiting responses.
Baiting responses? Let's take a look at how this started.

I originally posted:
2xAA is quite useless as it's generally too weak to remove jagged edges properly.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Rollo yet Rollo decided to attack me anyway and responded:

Link to reviews supporting your assertion?
Somebody that wants proof that 2xAA does next to nothing is either trolling or clueless. I'll let Rollo choose which.

The next response, still to the original comment which had NOTHING TO DO WITH ROLLO, yet he still felt obliged to answer anway:

Or is it your contention that 10X7 4XAA looks better than 20X15 2X AA, both RG AA?
An attempt to pedal a blatant lie onto me to make it sound like I'm saying this. The height of his arrogance is that this individual is responsible for posting trash such as this in the past.

So what was that about baiting responses Rollo? Like I said before you are an unbelievable troll and I hope the mods ban you like they did before.

It seemed a fair statement.
It sure did. To you anyway, but you're "special".

We'll see who they ban after they read your latest flame fest here?
If I'm not much mistaken you've already been banned before. Also you were banned from another forum as well IIRC. That track record speaks for itself.

Nobody cares? That's odd. I get many, many PMs asking for advice.
Says you.

My threads get 100s or 1000s of hits and responses, I would compare them to any other member on the board.
Sure, that's the nature of your spam, flamebaiting and trolling. That's why you do it - to generate responses and bring attention to yourself like a child.

I'll PM the mods and we'll see if they approve of your style of response, or mine. Ciao.
Yup, you do that tiger. Don't forget to remind them they've already banned you before and perhaps they can send your record to the next forum you infect.

Quoted For Permanence
 

Lonyo

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Stop fvcking up this thread with rediculously long quotes you two, no one cares about your little battle.
2xAA CAN be useless at low resolutions, but obviously as res increases, the need for AA decreases anyway because of the higher res.
It may be interesting if sites did maybe 1600x1200 @ 4xAA and 2048x1536 or similar at 2xAA and looked at jaggies and performance to see how bad the impact is, or maybe 1600x1200 @ 2 and 1280x960(1024) w/4xAA.
For lower range cards such as the 6600/X1600 etc, 2xAA may be a valid idea to improve IQ slightly with minimal performance hit (unless the 128-bit bus isn't enough, but even then, cards like the 6800NU may benefit).
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Frackal
With my own experiences (see other thread), I would bet that the GTX will perform equally with the X1800xt w/ 2x AA / Full AF


This would narrow things down even more... I mean if it really came down to just a difference from 2x AA to 4x AA??

Which would you choose ?


In this case I'd probably go GTX but I'd like to see a 512 1.2ns version (that should have been out in the first place IMO)

Full AF? the XT would look at lot better with full AF.

 

dug777

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i'll chip in (if i may ) to say that 2xAA is a damn sight better than no AA

At 1024 i'm very happy with 2xAA, takes out the worst jaggies without bringing my 6600GT to it's knees, 2-4xAA is nice, but IMO not as important a step as 0-2xAA..just my 2c as always
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Stop fvcking up this thread with rediculously long quotes you two, no one cares about your little battle.
2xAA CAN be useless at low resolutions, but obviously as res increases, the need for AA decreases anyway because of the higher res.
It may be interesting if sites did maybe 1600x1200 @ 4xAA and 2048x1536 or similar at 2xAA and looked at jaggies and performance to see how bad the impact is, or maybe 1600x1200 @ 2 and 1280x960(1024) w/4xAA.
For lower range cards such as the 6600/X1600 etc, 2xAA may be a valid idea to improve IQ slightly with minimal performance hit (unless the 128-bit bus isn't enough, but even then, cards like the 6800NU may benefit).

You can trust me in that I wasn't expecting what I got when I asked for links and clarification here.

I don't think 2XAA is "useless", I think how much "use" it has depends on the type of 2XAA, and the resolution it's used at.

I've taken it to forum issues and PMd a mod, I won't be replying to any more flame posts in this thread, and hopefully the mods will edit out all the name calling, etc..

 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: dug777
i'll chip in (if i may ) to say that 2xAA is a damn sight better than no AA

At 1024 i'm very happy with 2xAA, takes out the worst jaggies without bringing my 6600GT to it's knees, 2-4xAA is nice, but IMO not as important a step as 0-2xAA..just my 2c as always

Which is better, both speed and IQ wise, 1280x960(1024) w/0xAA or 1024x768 w/2xAA?
 
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