Why are non-believers of God so angry?

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TheNoblePlatypus

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No I understand you're a non believer and accept that as your belief.

The absence of belief is a belief? Interesting.

I'm just not going to waste the energy to get into an all caps typing e-peen contest.

Who was doing that?

I was just wondering why you guys get so angry.

We don't. You're mistaking anger for contempt.

I don't see a bunch of hate for lepracauns or unicorns since you tie religion with them also.

Leprechauns and unicorns can't handle explosives.

My point is deep inside you know there is a God and for whatever reason you've hardened your heart towards Him. Any chance you get to speak badly of Him you'll take it.

I think most actual atheists would love to be able to believe in God, I know I would. It would make thoughts about your own mortality much easier to wrap your head around.

If you get the feeling we're angry, it might be true. The same reason why you'd hate a pet's life. They can go through it dumb and happy, while people with understanding are tortured by it.
 

ch33zw1z

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Yikes. Oilfield, Genx87 - you guys are bringing knives to a gun fight here.

Sadly, In my experience that's how it usually works. Anything that can't be physically or logically debated is explained away by faith...
 

NesuD

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Because the believers in god force their beliefs upon us and are often violent about it.

* Guys who blew up WTC - believed in god.
* Guys who carbomb in Iraq - believed in god.
* Guys who blow up abortion clinics - believed in god.

Umm... that could just as easily say this and be just as true.

* People who died in the WTC - believed in god.
* People who died in carbombings in Iraq - believed in god.
* People who died in abortion clinic bombings - believed in god.


"Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people."

Believers in a god have no monopoly on terrorism and mass murder.

"The Tamil Tigers, a group that most Americans have never heard of, are responsible for more suicide attacks over the last two decades than any other group. The Tamil Tigers have have been influenced by a Marxist/Leninist ideology which is largely atheistic and disavow any connection with the Hinduism practiced by many of the people the the region of Sri Lanka where they operate."
 
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zinfamous

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Umm... that could just as easily say this and be just as true.

* People who died in the WTC - believed in god.
* People who died in carbombings in Iraq - believed in god.
* People who died in abortion clinic bombings - believed in god.


"Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people."

Believers in a god have no monopoly on terrorism and mass murder.

"The Tamil Tigers, a group that most Americans have never heard of, are responsible for more suicide attacks over the last two decades than any other group. The Tamil Tigers have have been influenced by a Marxist/Leninist ideology which is largely atheistic and disavow any connection with the Hinduism practiced by many of the people the the region of Sri Lanka where they operate."

pshh, those numbers are lame.

the absolute LOWEST estimate for Stalin has him around 50 million murders, with some calculations pushing it up to 500 million. If you are the type to include these type of figures (as I am), then the famine that he instigated in Ukraine alone was responsible for 100 million deaths.

The general accepted death toll for Stalin has him somewhere around 200--250 million murders on his hands.

Don't dilute his expertise and passion for ruthless killing by lumping him with those other Johnny-come-lately dictators.
 

BurnItDwn

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you should try fapping while in traffic. would really spice up your day, lower the BP a bit.

I started to do this while I was going to lunch today, and my friends from the office were VERY upset. They said they do not want to go to lunch with me ever again!

This was a very bad idea!
 

zinfamous

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I started to do this while I was going to lunch today, and my friends from the office were VERY upset. They said they do not want to go to lunch with me ever again!

This was a very bad idea!

:hmm:
perhaps you should have thought that one out a little bit more..

I salute your effort, however.
 

Cheeseplug

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pshh, those numbers are lame.

the absolute LOWEST estimate for Stalin has him around 50 million murders, with some calculations pushing it up to 500 million. If you are the type to include these type of figures (as I am), then the famine that he instigated in Ukraine alone was responsible for 100 million deaths.

The general accepted death toll for Stalin has him somewhere around 200--250 million murders on his hands.

Don't dilute his expertise and passion for ruthless killing by lumping him with those other Johnny-come-lately dictators.

The population of the soviet union never exceeded even 200 million Stalin's reign, and Ukraine's population has never gone too much higher that 50 million. Where the hell are you getting your numbers?
 

zinfamous

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The population of the soviet union never exceeded even 200 million Stalin's reign, and Ukraine's population has never gone too much higher that 50 million. Where the hell are you getting your numbers?

..Books? :hmm:

a bit hyperbolic some of those numbers, I'm sure, but you have to consider a lot of the ethnic cleansing that went on pre WW2 in occupied territories, as well as the massive deaths in labor camps due to forced relocation in these occupied territories as well as in ethnic Russian territories.

I'm curious, do you think there are accurate numbers for the population in Gulag camps during Stalin's time? These weren't simply citizens of occupied nations or Russians, but also POWs.
 

Nik

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Jun 5, 2006
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Umm... that could just as easily say this and be just as true.

* People who died in the WTC - believed in god.
* People who died in carbombings in Iraq - believed in god.
* People who died in abortion clinic bombings - believed in god.

See? It doesn't matter where you are in life. If you believe in god, you're fucked.
 

Gibsons

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Aug 14, 2001
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pshh, those numbers are lame.

the absolute LOWEST estimate for Stalin has him around 50 million murders, with some calculations pushing it up to 500 million. If you are the type to include these type of figures (as I am), then the famine that he instigated in Ukraine alone was responsible for 100 million deaths.

The general accepted death toll for Stalin has him somewhere around 200--250 million murders on his hands.

Don't dilute his expertise and passion for ruthless killing by lumping him with those other Johnny-come-lately dictators.

This post brings you dangerously close to winning the internet.
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Umm... that could just as easily say this and be just as true.

* People who died in the WTC - believed in god.
* People who died in carbombings in Iraq - believed in god.
* People who died in abortion clinic bombings - believed in god.


"Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people."

Believers in a god have no monopoly on terrorism and mass murder.

"The Tamil Tigers, a group that most Americans have never heard of, are responsible for more suicide attacks over the last two decades than any other group. The Tamil Tigers have have been influenced by a Marxist/Leninist ideology which is largely atheistic and disavow any connection with the Hinduism practiced by many of the people the the region of Sri Lanka where they operate."

Hitler was not an Atheist.
 

Danwar

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I'm an atheist and have a much bigger problem with islam than christianity. Christianity is silly and mostly only somewhat harmful. Islam is all about murder.

Thats your point of view. An Iraqi & Afghanistan Atheist would say EXACTLY the opposite.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Hitler was not an Atheist.

I seem to recall him being something of a Christian, no? He certainly tolerated it, anyway.

I think the point that people miss when making this argument is that these ultra nationalist dictators didn't criticize religion b/c of faith or belief structure, but because they saw themselves (and the respective nation), as the central structure in people's lives. They didn't want religion to compete with their own doctrine. They pretty much understood the use of religion as a means to consolidate and hold power amongst the citizenry; they just wanted to supplant that core thought with an image of the nation, and of themselves.

The problem with attributing religious belief, especially the honest truth, to historical figures is that there tends to be mountains of evidence to support each perspective. It can easily be argued that Isaac Newton was an atheist or that he was devout--this one is pretty tough. Einstein has suggested many things in his writings, but he tends to lean towards "not ruling anything out." It's generally accepted that Jefferson and other founding fathers were atheist, or at least agnostic, but I can understand the confusion when their writing is taken out of context. All it takes, really, is for one to read the Jefferson Bible to understand his feelings regarding Christianity.

But Hitler was in fact a raging vegetarian. Crazy vegetarian. Therefore, all vegetarians are not to be trusted.
 

Gibsons

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I seem to recall him being something of a Christian, no? He certainly tolerated it, anyway.

But Hitler was in fact a raging vegetarian. Crazy vegetarian. Therefore, all vegetarians are not to be trusted.

I think Adolph was a Roman Catholic, he mentioned something like "doing the will of the creator" in Mein Kampf.

the real explanation though: He had a mustache. Stalin had a mustache also. Therefore, mustaches are the cause of all evil in the world. Except in China.
 

shadow9d9

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Sorry for the sound bite but it really does hold the root of animosity. I won't bother with a wall of text to get there so we can disagree about it,
Without rancor

Except I gave about 10 good reasons for the anger, and all you gave was a blanket statement with no reasoning other than you say so.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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The population of the soviet union never exceeded even 200 million Stalin's reign, and Ukraine's population has never gone too much higher that 50 million. Where the hell are you getting your numbers?

I re-investigated this yesterday, and it appears that I was off by a measly factor of...10

500million at the high estimate should be = 50 million, with general consensus being somewhere close to 20 million total murders.

he still beats every one else!

what was I smoking yesterday?
 

rchiu

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Jun 8, 2002
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Heh, everyone is angry if they are not like you, don't talk like you or act like you. We human being love to find faults at people not like us just so we feel that much better about ourselves.
 

TheShiz

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because believers have a different way of thinking. they are usually irrational, that's what it takes to believe you have some sort of connection with the creator of the universe with absolutely no evidence. it takes a conceited or ignorant person to believe in such things. The most vocal of these people make the most amazing claims with conviction it can make a thinking person sick. That is enough to get mad about.

I grew up in Lynchburg, VA. People there take is as a given that you are christian. And when they find out you are an atheist they are taken aback. the was a stigma. Maybe my experience is not typical but i find most "believers" to be gullible and not rational. That is enough to make me a bit mad. That so many minds are taken out of rational thought and discourse by stories made up by men countless years ago through the power of coercion, force, brainwashing, peer pressure and were able to bend people to their will.

It is sad people cannot find enough satisfaction from the beauty, simplicity, and incredible scale of our universe and our apparent place in it.

You should not need an afterlife, or a imaginary connection with "god" to enjoy this life. Even at face value what we know we have is great.
 
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