Why are so many IT people retarded????????!

[Aquila76]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Well, to cap this thread off: I've said this before in another post: Almost every company whines about how crappy their IT department is. But when you ask them how much they're paying their IT guys it's usually pretty bad. My friend put it best 'Companies don't want to pay IT good money because it doesn't directly bring in money'. The few companies that 'get it' are the ones that pay good money for IT, and get good results. I'd bet half of the top 25% of people in ANY IT field are unemployed, because the BOTTOM 25% are ALL employed, because they'll take the ****** wage. So few business understand that if you higher cut-rate IT, yeah you'll save money on THEIR salaries, but everytime they screw up you lose the productivity of the people who depend on them, the productivity of the person who screwed up in the first place and has to back-track and fix, you lose money on paying consultants to come in and un-quagmire whatever the cut-rate person screwed up, and most importantly, you lose customer satisfaction everytime you say 'well call back later our network is fuxored' or something similar.

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[spidey07]

Originally posted by: skyking

originally posted by the spidey

His little linksys incident caused tons of problems.

I sense a rogue DHCP server in the force, luke.............

proxy arping for an entire class B network. Essentially grabbing every packet going to a whole /16 - took down a data center.

bad mojo.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Phil

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77
If you read my post, you'll find that I wasn't necessarily talking about knowing how to troubleshoot the problem... it's how long the whole thing will take. If it's an exec and they want the thing back fast, sometimes a reformat is the quickest route. Like I said, many companies have measures in place to ensure that if/when your machine is reformatted, it's totally painless... and they do this to make turnaround as quick as possible. It was designed with the users' best interests in mind... not just because the IT guys were "lazy" and "uneducated".

Do you even bother to read my very first post on this thread?

Take too long to read and understand it, right? Oh noooooo..better reformat the hard drive so you can read/comprehensive faster...LOL. :disgust:

How about you try not to be suck a dick when you talk about this? Or are you that stereotypical IT person everyone's referring to?

Oh no, calling name..I am soooo scare. Just a typical response from a loser. Now run along and format some hard drives ..Your time is up...LOL...

Meh Svnla. In a large Enterprise, IT is run to a budget and time costs money. Your intellectual desire to find the root cause of a sappy little desktop machine that got humped by it's owner is outweighed by the speed and efficiency of a re-image.

Agreed. PXE booting FTW, Ghostcast FTbiggerW.

BMC Marimba Provisioning FTmassiveW

Automated install CD, with all software pushed out through Group Policy FTsexx0rW. The automated CD is faster and keeps unneeded traffic off the network. About 90% percent of our computers can be ready to go completely in about an hour with only about 5 minutes of attention from the technician.

 

[TechnoPro]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77
If you read my post, you'll find that I wasn't necessarily talking about knowing how to troubleshoot the problem... it's how long the whole thing will take. If it's an exec and they want the thing back fast, sometimes a reformat is the quickest route. Like I said, many companies have measures in place to ensure that if/when your machine is reformatted, it's totally painless... and they do this to make turnaround as quick as possible. It was designed with the users' best interests in mind... not just because the IT guys were "lazy" and "uneducated".

Do you even bother to read my very first post on this thread?

Take too long to read and understand it, right? Oh noooooo..better reformat the hard drive so you can read/comprehensive faster...LOL. :disgust:

How about you try not to be suck a dick when you talk about this? Or are you that stereotypical IT person everyone's referring to?

The difference 2 letters can make...

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: Aquila76

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Well, to cap this thread off: I've said this before in another post: Almost every company whines about how crappy their IT department is. But when you ask them how much they're paying their IT guys it's usually pretty bad. My friend put it best 'Companies don't want to pay IT good money because it doesn't directly bring in money'. The few companies that 'get it' are the ones that pay good money for IT, and get good results. I'd bet half of the top 25% of people in ANY IT field are unemployed, because the BOTTOM 25% are ALL employed, because they'll take the ****** wage. So few business understand that if you higher cut-rate IT, yeah you'll save money on THEIR salaries, but everytime they screw up you lose the productivity of the people who depend on them, the productivity of the person who screwed up in the first place and has to back-track and fix, you lose money on paying consultants to come in and un-quagmire whatever the cut-rate person screwed up, and most importantly, you lose customer satisfaction everytime you say 'well call back later our network is fuxored' or something similar.

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[TechnoPro]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Phil

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77
If you read my post, you'll find that I wasn't necessarily talking about knowing how to troubleshoot the problem... it's how long the whole thing will take. If it's an exec and they want the thing back fast, sometimes a reformat is the quickest route. Like I said, many companies have measures in place to ensure that if/when your machine is reformatted, it's totally painless... and they do this to make turnaround as quick as possible. It was designed with the users' best interests in mind... not just because the IT guys were "lazy" and "uneducated".

Do you even bother to read my very first post on this thread?

Take too long to read and understand it, right? Oh noooooo..better reformat the hard drive so you can read/comprehensive faster...LOL. :disgust:

How about you try not to be suck a dick when you talk about this? Or are you that stereotypical IT person everyone's referring to?

Oh no, calling name..I am soooo scare. Just a typical response from a loser. Now run along and format some hard drives ..Your time is up...LOL...

Meh Svnla. In a large Enterprise, IT is run to a budget and time costs money. Your intellectual desire to find the root cause of a sappy little desktop machine that got humped by it's owner is outweighed by the speed and efficiency of a re-image.

Agreed. PXE booting FTW, Ghostcast FTbiggerW.

BMC Marimba Provisioning FTmassiveW

Automated install CD, with all software pushed out through Group Policy FTsexx0rW. The automated CD is faster and keeps unneeded traffic off the network. About 90% percent of our computers can be ready to go completely in about an hour with only about 5 minutes of attention from the technician.

What do you use to create these automated install CDs?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: TechnoPro

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77
If you read my post, you'll find that I wasn't necessarily talking about knowing how to troubleshoot the problem... it's how long the whole thing will take. If it's an exec and they want the thing back fast, sometimes a reformat is the quickest route. Like I said, many companies have measures in place to ensure that if/when your machine is reformatted, it's totally painless... and they do this to make turnaround as quick as possible. It was designed with the users' best interests in mind... not just because the IT guys were "lazy" and "uneducated".

Do you even bother to read my very first post on this thread?

Take too long to read and understand it, right? Oh noooooo..better reformat the hard drive so you can read/comprehensive faster...LOL. :disgust:

How about you try not to be suck a dick when you talk about this? Or are you that stereotypical IT person everyone's referring to?

The difference 2 letters can make...

Meh... works either way .

 

[Apathetic]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Mainly because they just are retarded.

Reminds me of the time we removed a linksys router from the network and proceeded to stomp it to bits in front of the retard that plugged it in.

...sniff.... You're my hero!

Dave

 

[GasX]

and this, folks, is why we all keep coming back to ATOT!

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: TechnoPro

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77
If you read my post, you'll find that I wasn't necessarily talking about knowing how to troubleshoot the problem... it's how long the whole thing will take. If it's an exec and they want the thing back fast, sometimes a reformat is the quickest route. Like I said, many companies have measures in place to ensure that if/when your machine is reformatted, it's totally painless... and they do this to make turnaround as quick as possible. It was designed with the users' best interests in mind... not just because the IT guys were "lazy" and "uneducated".

Do you even bother to read my very first post on this thread?

Take too long to read and understand it, right? Oh noooooo..better reformat the hard drive so you can read/comprehensive faster...LOL. :disgust:

How about you try not to be suck a dick when you talk about this? Or are you that stereotypical IT person everyone's referring to?

The difference 2 letters can make...

LOL yeah whatever. From the posts we could see who is the doer and who is the talker.

 

[spikespiegal]

Fortunatley I work with IT people who are smart as hell.

Lazy, but smart. They just assume write their own Active Directory VB script in 10-minutes to push a major software package upgrade down to 1,000 users because it requires less effort than getting up and mailing a few dozen CD's.

"I've SEEN things you people wouldn't believe."

A spent a few weeks at a major school district where the staff were anti-MS / pro-Novell nazis that honestly couldn't run either system. They spent the summer setting up all resident Windows apps as Novell NAL/Zen objects, then scratched their heads when thousands of students logged on opening day and their single Netware P3 600mhz server was brought to it's knees. I also wonder if it was also related to running IPX on all the major WANs vs IP, Hmm? (this was 2002) I guess they coulnd't figure out why NetBEUI woulnd't route.

The Cisco engineer who installed the ioint to point T1 router in our phone room, but for some dumb reason plugged the router into the outlet on the flourescent strip on the ceiling. So, when you'd leave the room and turn the light off, the router shut off and the WAN went down. When you went back in the room and turned the light on, the router would quickly boot up before you noticed it was off. Took us a month to figure that one out.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: TechnoPro

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77
If you read my post, you'll find that I wasn't necessarily talking about knowing how to troubleshoot the problem... it's how long the whole thing will take. If it's an exec and they want the thing back fast, sometimes a reformat is the quickest route. Like I said, many companies have measures in place to ensure that if/when your machine is reformatted, it's totally painless... and they do this to make turnaround as quick as possible. It was designed with the users' best interests in mind... not just because the IT guys were "lazy" and "uneducated".

Do you even bother to read my very first post on this thread?

Take too long to read and understand it, right? Oh noooooo..better reformat the hard drive so you can read/comprehensive faster...LOL. :disgust:

How about you try not to be suck a dick when you talk about this? Or are you that stereotypical IT person everyone's referring to?

The difference 2 letters can make...

LOL yeah whatever. From the posts we could see who is the doer and who is the talker.

I already told you how humongous your epenis was. Why are you still interested? Is a "doer" someone who needs to photocopy his degrees so total strangers won't think he's a moron?

Like I said, degree or not, you're a child.

 

[Aquila76]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal...

The Cisco engineer who installed the ioint to point T1 router in our phone room, but for some dumb reason plugged the router into the outlet on the flourescent strip on the ceiling. So, when you'd leave the room and turn the light off, the router shut off and the WAN went down. When you went back in the room and turned the light on, the router would quickly boot up before you noticed it was off. Took us a month to figure that one out.

I've found that 99% of the IT-related stuff that isn't working is usually due to something retarded like that.
My boss bought a laptop and was confused as to why it didn't work when she unplugged it. She never put the battery in.
I had a PC that would would overheat (not dangerously, but by about 10C) every morning without fail at 7:00AM. Ended up there was a hot water pipe in the wall that it was against. When my neighbor took a shower for work, it would heat up and blast the heat through the wall.
At my first job, one of the gals in HR had a problem with her monitor being all wavy (like when a magnet was nearby). After ruling out magnets or the knick-knacks on her desk, I figured it was just old and the clock was dying or something, so I replaced it. A couple days later, the new one did the same thing. I almost chalked it up to a QA defect, but it worked fine at my test lab. After some investigating, I found out the company next to us had their phone/network closet on the other side of the HR office wall. All that equipment was FUBAR'ing the monitor. We moved her desk, and the monitor started working fine again.

 

[spikespiegal]

Another one was all those NT4 MCSE's back in 2000-2001 (back then a Windows MCSE didn't require many brain cells) setting up Windows 2000 all over the place with IIS installed when it wasn't needed.

Code Red really liked that one.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: skyking

originally posted by the spidey

His little linksys incident caused tons of problems.

I sense a rogue DHCP server in the force, luke.............

proxy arping for an entire class B network. Essentially grabbing every packet going to a whole /16 - took down a data center.

bad mojo.

but his wireless connection, HE NEEDS HIS WIRELESS CONNECTION! lol

im curious though, did any reprocusions happen to you or who ever smashed it since you broke personal property?

 

[Zap]

Unskilled and Unaware of It

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: crownjules

Originally posted by: Pastore

Did everyone in your high school and college get straight As? Of course not. Why are people so damn confused when they find people in their workplaces that do not perform their jobs at the highest level of excellence?

Because there are thousands of competent unemployed IT people out there that would do these bafoons jobs 10 times better than they are currently doing them. Incompetent people shouldn't be payed good money when half the time there are much more talented people that would do a better job for (alot of the time) less money. THAT is the only confusing part about this.

They don't interview well, they don't present themselves in a good way, they aren't good at dealing with people, etc. Or they plain just don't have the connections/resources to find the quality jobs. So many reasons abound. Technical knowledge, while the most important thing, is not the only factor.

I never said that technical knowledge was the only factor. My point still remains.

 

[Pepsei]

reminded of me of how you can rig a pringle's can for better reception.

 

[Jdog1718]

Many IT people actually are hard working intelligent individuals. I mean sure there is always the lazy ones and the help desk operators have little tech knowledge beyond the telephonoe in their hands. The quality of work and the attitude of the tech is usally a direct effect from user. I found that when I work on a users PC that is friendly and understanding, I make sure that I get the job done quickly and correctly. When one of those individuals comes along that thinks they know more than the tech and treats us like dirt... thats when we tend to do a sloppy job and throw the issue back in the queue while we go work on those who appreciate our service. Keep your techs happy and they will keep you happy.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: Jdog1718
Many IT people actually are hard working intelligent individuals. I mean sure there is always the lazy ones and the help desk operators have little tech knowledge beyond the telephonoe in their hands. The quality of work and the attitude of the tech is usally a direct effect from user. I found that when I work on a users PC that is friendly and understanding, I make sure that I get the job done quickly and correctly. When one of those individuals comes along that thinks they know more than the tech and treats us like dirt... thats when we tend to do a sloppy job and throw the issue back in the queue while we go work on those who appreciate our service. Keep your techs happy and they will keep you happy.

im guilty of this too

i'm happier doing good work for someone who appreciates it

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: TechnoPro

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Phil

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: jbourne77
If you read my post, you'll find that I wasn't necessarily talking about knowing how to troubleshoot the problem... it's how long the whole thing will take. If it's an exec and they want the thing back fast, sometimes a reformat is the quickest route. Like I said, many companies have measures in place to ensure that if/when your machine is reformatted, it's totally painless... and they do this to make turnaround as quick as possible. It was designed with the users' best interests in mind... not just because the IT guys were "lazy" and "uneducated".

Do you even bother to read my very first post on this thread?

Take too long to read and understand it, right? Oh noooooo..better reformat the hard drive so you can read/comprehensive faster...LOL. :disgust:

How about you try not to be suck a dick when you talk about this? Or are you that stereotypical IT person everyone's referring to?

Oh no, calling name..I am soooo scare. Just a typical response from a loser. Now run along and format some hard drives ..Your time is up...LOL...

Meh Svnla. In a large Enterprise, IT is run to a budget and time costs money. Your intellectual desire to find the root cause of a sappy little desktop machine that got humped by it's owner is outweighed by the speed and efficiency of a re-image.

Agreed. PXE booting FTW, Ghostcast FTbiggerW.

BMC Marimba Provisioning FTmassiveW

Automated install CD, with all software pushed out through Group Policy FTsexx0rW. The automated CD is faster and keeps unneeded traffic off the network. About 90% percent of our computers can be ready to go completely in about an hour with only about 5 minutes of attention from the technician.

What do you use to create these automated install CDs?

I just create a winnt.sif file and add it to the I386 folder of an install CD. I would still have to get drivers though, so I use a mega driver pack slipstreamed on to the CD. The instructions for all of this I found here: http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/

A lot of stuff I already knew though, so I'm not sure if this site can answer every question you may have. Really, once you know how to do it though, it's a piece of cake, and you don't have to create new CD's everytime you change software or get new versions of software, and one CD can cover every I386 computer on your network.

I also get information from appdeploy.com on how to repackage apps for group policy (however, most all new commercial apps will put an msi in one of your temp directories during installation, if the install media doesn't already have an msi). Lastly, I use WSUS to keep Windows and Microsoft software patched.

If you have any more questions, start a new thread and pm me to go check it out.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BriGy86
but his wireless connection, HE NEEDS HIS WIRELESS CONNECTION! lol

im curious though, did any reprocusions happen to you or who ever smashed it since you broke personal property?

No. He had been told not to do that kind of stuff and to quit plugging unauthorized devices in. He was a helpdesk/noc monkey that liked to play. Thought he knew everything.

All while saying how bad the network guys were and that plugging in a router/switch cannot harm anything.

I swear, I've seen more large networks crippled because of these devices it isn't funny.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal
Another one was all those NT4 MCSE's back in 2000-2001 (back then a Windows MCSE didn't require many brain cells) setting up Windows 2000 all over the place with IIS installed when it wasn't needed.

Code Red really liked that one.

Oh yeah, when I started working here (in 2004), they had one server running Windows 2000 AD, DHCP, DNS, File Server, SQL Server 2000, Exchange 2000, and a handful of other obscure server apps. Plus under the Windows Components, it had EVERY SINGLE BOX CHECKED.

They said they hired me because I was good with servers and they wanted me to fix it. I think it took like 6 months before they finally let me purchase more servers. The director was convinced this server was not overloaded because he would open the performance graph on task manager and it wasn't pegged out at 100%.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Zap
Unskilled and Unaware of It

fixed?

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal
Fortunatley I work with IT people who are smart as hell.

Lazy, but smart. They just assume write their own Active Directory VB script in 10-minutes to push a major software package upgrade down to 1,000 users because it requires less effort than getting up and mailing a few dozen CD's.

"I've SEEN things you people wouldn't believe."

A spent a few weeks at a major school district where the staff were anti-MS / pro-Novell nazis that honestly couldn't run either system. They spent the summer setting up all resident Windows apps as Novell NAL/Zen objects, then scratched their heads when thousands of students logged on opening day and their single Netware P3 600mhz server was brought to it's knees. I also wonder if it was also related to running IPX on all the major WANs vs IP, Hmm? (this was 2002) I guess they coulnd't figure out why NetBEUI woulnd't route.

The Cisco engineer who installed the ioint to point T1 router in our phone room, but for some dumb reason plugged the router into the outlet on the flourescent strip on the ceiling. So, when you'd leave the room and turn the light off, the router shut off and the WAN went down. When you went back in the room and turned the light on, the router would quickly boot up before you noticed it was off. Took us a month to figure that one out.

That's just... stupid. The network I still consider to be the best computer network in public education in Central Ohio ran on a NetWare / ActiveDirectory combo... but apparently the difference here is that my fellow admins and I knew what we were doing when we set it up.

I've seen stupid things like what you mention happen many times before, though. <sigh>

Just today, I found out that a man that owns a local computer repair company had never seen a PCMCIA card before, and had no idea how to insert it into a tablet. That was just the beginning of my disappointment in him.