Why are so many kids in America born out of wedlock?

[ed21x]

have you grown up with both a father and mother?

 

[Alkesh]

In the black community:

Because accruedExpenditure doesn't believe in condoms.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: alien42
education is the only solution

I think that is very much true, but the one thing I've wondered, why even so many education and wealthy African Americans have children out of wedlock? People like Jesse Jackson fathered a kid just like 5 years ago (and he is married).

One could say the same thing about movie stars/actors of any race... I'm sure the rate of births out of wedlock is higher for high profile individiuals than that of the average American.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: Alkesh
In the black community:

Because accruedExpenditure doesn't believe in condoms.

You're an idiot.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Pablo
Also, what makes a baby born into a family where the mother and father are married any better of a situation than one whose parents aren't married?

The man is more likely to hang around, since he will be brutally punished financially if he leaves.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Citrix
simple, LUST

women want the meat, men want the pudding, the heat of lust makes them forget about what is going to happen 9 months down the road.

You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

(ok, I'll shut up now... )

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: ed21x
have you grown up with both a father and mother?

who?

 

[paulney]

Black community: because of rap influence (cue in gigapet with his 'rap artists pour so much money into black community')

After all, women are just ho's. They wantya money, fo' shizzle. Hit'em and quit'em. You da man, dawg!

:roll:

 

[WildHorse]

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: pontifex
can't wait to see the responses to this thread

Pulls up lawn chair and popcorn bowl.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: raildogg
So OT is the official kiddie forum?

Gotcha.

You didn't know that?

 

[Eli]

Because humans like to fsck, and there's less social stigma against having a kid without being married now.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Krazefinn
Because most people have priorites turned around, or suffer from chronic anocranial inversion. Or cerebrorectal....
Nobody considers the consequence of their own actions, let alone taking responsibility for them.
And societally we give approval. Its a mixed up world...
kids are our number 1 natural resource, why would ya NOT take care of them?

Now if we could just find a way to grind them up and burn them as a cheap fuel source, we could kill two birds with one stone.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Krazefinn
Because most people have priorites turned around, or suffer from chronic anocranial inversion. Or cerebrorectal....
Nobody considers the consequence of their own actions, let alone taking responsibility for them.
And societally we give approval. Its a mixed up world...
kids are our number 1 natural resource, why would ya NOT take care of them?

Now if we could just find a way to grind them up and burn them as a cheap fuel source, we could kill two birds with one stone.

:laugh:

:thumbsup::Q

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Treyshadow
It is rather high, but that is the rate.

I'm black, but I gre up in a mostly white community. I have a baby on the way and its my first. I'm 30. However I can sympathize with some of the statements on here. Many young black kids do not want to associate with someone who is doing better than them. Its not about the other person doing good, but better than them. That is why you get the "uncle tom" comments and such.

I think it is a disturbing trend. I'll keep a watchful eye.

no offense treyshadow, but "rather high"? that's ungodly, insanely-fvcking ridiculous.

 

[Bartolo]

umm well because kids fcuk up liteally and have unprotected sex and end up having kid. Thats what happened with my parents. Few people can believe my mom is only 34. I turn 18 in a few weeks. Being born out of wedlock isnt such a bad thing. Now i wasnt born out of wedlock, my parents got married once my mom turned 16. But 2 of my younger brothers were, we live a normal life.

 

[MrChad]

Part of it is education, and part is simply culture.

From an education standpoint, there is a severe lack of education about sex, pregnancy and STDs in the inner city. I grew up in an upper-middle class area and went to a good public school. From 5th grade on, I had some form of sex education and before I was in high school, I had a good understanding of sex, pregnancy and the importance of safe sex. Many kids in the inner city simply do not get this same level of education. For some reason, there is a growing belief that teaching kids about sex will only encourage them to have more of it, but in my opinion, not teaching about sex is far more dangerous.

The second main reason is culture. In white middle-class culture, kids are (generally) the product of a married couple. There is usually only one "baby's daddy" per family. Different fathers per sibling is much more commonplace and accepted in urban cultures. Kids grow up with siblings from different fathers, and their friends are in the same situations. These trends only repeat themselves with succeeding generations.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Pablo
Also, what makes a baby born into a family where the mother and father are married any better of a situation than one whose parents aren't married?

Statistically speaking, children are more likely to come out better in a two-parent household. Additionally, people who don't have children until after they finish high school are more likely to succeed. People who don't have children until after college are even more likely to succeed.

 

[BlueFlamme]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Statistically speaking, children are more likely to come out better in a two-parent household. Additionally, people who don't have children until after they finish high school are more likely to succeed. People who don't have children until after college are even more likely to succeed.

And to define succeed, I simply consider it the ability to pay your own friggin bills. The minute you take a dime from the gov't your style of living sure as heck better drop below that of someone making it on their own. That means bye-bye cable, bye-bye cell phone, bye-bye going to concerts/sporting events. Your butt should be having to eat Raman noodles 5 nights a week before you qualify for food-stamps.

My wife does all of our grocery shopping, the other day she said the most miraculous thing happened. A lady with a young kid was using food stamps to actually pay for formula and diapers! (and the rest of her food was like food-lion brand name) This is the only time she has seen someone use food-stamps for baby related items. In the few times I've been out shopping with her I've seen them used on lots of alcohol and once on $8/lb shrimp that even I wouldn't buy!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: raildogg
According to recent figures, the rate is 69% for blacks and 24% for whites. When you compare this figure to 50 years ago, or even recently, it was much lower. When you have an overwhelming amount of kids having no father it creates problems that have a snowball effect.

That is the main reason why so many blacks and others seem to have lost hope.

One thing I've noticed is that blacks don't associate much with blacks who they perceive to be intelligent and get good grades. They call them Uncle Tom. I have seen it personally. Basically, if you're an African American and want to get good grades, be prepared to be ridiculed and be prepared to not having a lot of friends.

This trend seems popular with some whites too.

The question is, what can we do to fix this problem?

What can we do to improve the conditions? What can we do so that these kids have a father?

And should the fathers and in some cases, mothers, be punished for treating their kids and family like this?

To me, this is one of the greatest challenges facing America.

its interesting to see the difference between the US and UK....here there isnt so much of kids being brought up without fathers, but saddly you come across alot of teenage mums n dads.

bit different on the intelligence thing, i mean at least from my point of view it seems to be the other way round. the intelligent people with good grades tend to have the biggest friendsip groups, the wasters that would rather bunk school and do drugs just get left to their own devices in their small little group. though now im at uni....everyones a hardworking mofo. this gos for both races

 

[Arkitech]

a lot of these problems stem from economic issues, read your history books. This has happened before

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
a lot of these problems stem from economic issues, read your history books. This has happened before

None of it has to do with "economic" issues. Being poor doesn't make you stupid. But being stupid does make you poor.

It's purely a cultural issue.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Arkitech
a lot of these problems stem from economic issues, read your history books. This has happened before

None of it has to do with "economic" issues. But being poor does makes me stupid.

It's purely a JL Gatsby issue.

fixed

 

[0roo0roo]

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[electricJ]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Citrix
simple, LUST

women want the meat, men want the pudding, the heat of lust makes them forget about what is going to happen 9 months down the road.

You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

(ok, I'll shut up now... )

:laugh: