"Why are there no black presidents?"

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Tabb
America is racist, thats why.

You live in America and are American. Are you racist? You're claiming you are in your sweeping generalization.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Tabb
America is racist, thats why.

And our African Americans would love to be living in Africa these days?

What does that have to do with anything? Please expand on that...

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Luck JF
The only black man I'd vote for is Alan Keyes. Want a black President then get behind Alan Keyes!

Keyes is a good man and another success story.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 1pinky
I fail to see where GWB had anything to do with Powells reputation, or that of black skinned people anywhere. Each man, Black/White or other can make or break himself regardless of the situation. Bill Cosby is a very visible and vocal advocate of black empowerment through being American, not "Black". There are many community leaders tha support him, to include many Black leaders.

The key is education, and avoidance of being "Black". Black is a color, not a culture. I [ersonally know a few black skinned African immigrants, and they have nice jobs, kids in school getting good grades, and the whole family (all 10) are members of my church. They fail to see why someone whose grandparents were born here cannot get an education and make something of themselves, when they themselves have been here less than 10 years, and have gone from a mobile home to a 2500 square foot home in the suburbs. Nobody gave them anything. They worked for it.

Education and proper parenting are the keys in my opinion. My parent raised me to believe that if I didn't have the best education that I could get.... emotionally, morally and school-wise, then my life would be at the mercy of those better educated. They were right for the most part in my case. Without their drive and instructions, I might have not had the oportunities that I have had, and the success that followed.

I have served our government in many locations. It is an amazing phenomia that when I have been overseas, working with black people, I never notice color. They are people who have lost the chip on their shoulders and never seem any different than anyone else. They are mostly very well educated as well. I think a lot of black people see a difference in how people accept them because of the way they present themselves. It has been a long road from the times when people were enslaved by other people, but the world is moving away from it. My forefathers were what would be called red neck sharecroppers. Believe me when I say that we weren't welcome in the halls of society either.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Race is still very important in the US. I do not blame GWB for this.

He didn't create racism but GWB represents the culture and heritage that has traditionally persecuted blacks. At the best GWB and his ilk are indifferent to blacks. At worst they are closet racists.

No, I am sorry that you are so ill informed. You should read a wider selection of material. The Burbon Democrats represent that. Many of the people of the south moved away from the Democratic Party for just that reason. The membership of the Democratic Party has changed, but the same plantation leaders (Jimmy Carter) are still in power. We would like to see more of the unseated. Clinton, admittedly, was not a rich Democrat, but his families membership in the party does go back some generations. Kerry is a northern Democrat and does not represent that part of the party, but doesn't seem to criticize it either.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Luck JF

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Race is still very important in the US. I do not blame GWB for this.

He didn't create racism but GWB represents the culture and heritage that has traditionally persecuted blacks. At the best GWB and his ilk are indifferent to blacks. At worst they are closet racists.

Really I see it as the total opposite. John Kerry and the Democrats are the racists. They promise blacks handouts because they believe blacks are not smart enough or hard working enough to take care of themselves. They promise blacks preferential treatment in bidding and exclusive bidding limited to only minorities for the few start their own businesses since they assume black owned companies cannot put together an actual competitive bid. They promise to keep intact the system where blacks with lower test standards are admitted to our nation's universities in order to promote 'diversity' because blacks are just not smart enough to score on the same scoring standards as the rest of the population.
George Bush and the Republicans promise blacks the right to start their own businesses without huge tax burdens that are the real oppressor of people. George Bush put in place a law that insures blacks are not just passed through the school system and graduated without even knowing how to read. George Bush believes every child can get the same basic education regardless of race.
Democrats ought to be ashamed of themselves but they are not even cognitive of how racist they are.

Democrats aren't the ones who said there's only one black person worth voting for.

I could leap on the point that Democrats didn't even say that much, but I will ask for a link instead. i.e. can you prove that BS?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
He didn't create racism but GWB represents the culture and heritage that has traditionally persecuted blacks. At the best GWB and his ilk are indifferent to blacks. At worst they are closet racists.

No, I am sorry that you are so ill informed. You should read a wider selection of material. The Burbon Democrats represent that. Many of the people of the south moved away from the Democratic Party for just that reason. The membership of the Democratic Party has changed, but the same plantation leaders (Jimmy Carter) are still in power. We would like to see more of the unseated. Clinton, admittedly, was not a rich Democrat, but his families membership in the party does go back some generations. Kerry is a northern Democrat and does not represent that part of the party, but doesn't seem to criticize it either.

And maybe you should read closer . Nothing you stated refutes my previous statement.

...meanwhile Infohawk waits for condor to finish responding to every single post...

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Maybe this has has something to do with it.

I'll bet they have the same laws as represented by the first bit of trash in Mass. The second one is just bogus and the Democrats have done much worse in pandering blacks as a group to anyhone who wants a block vote from the inner city. Democrats still sell Blacks!

 

[conjur]

Barack Obama was in town last night for midnight rally for Dan Mongiardo. Keep an eye on Obama in 2012!

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Condor
Democrats still sell Blacks!

Vacation-worthy?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: 1pinky
I fail to see where GWB had anything to do with Powells reputation, or that of black skinned people anywhere. Each man, Black/White or other can make or break himself regardless of the situation. Bill Cosby is a very visible and vocal advocate of black empowerment through being American, not "Black". There are many community leaders tha support him, to include many Black leaders.

The key is education, and avoidance of being "Black". Black is a color, not a culture. I [ersonally know a few black skinned African immigrants, and they have nice jobs, kids in school getting good grades, and the whole family (all 10) are members of my church. They fail to see why someone whose grandparents were born here cannot get an education and make something of themselves, when they themselves have been here less than 10 years, and have gone from a mobile home to a 2500 square foot home in the suburbs. Nobody gave them anything. They worked for it.

Education and proper parenting are the keys in my opinion. My parent raised me to believe that if I didn't have the best education that I could get.... emotionally, morally and school-wise, then my life would be at the mercy of those better educated. They were right for the most part in my case. Without their drive and instructions, I might have not had the oportunities that I have had, and the success that followed.

imo, the biggest problem in the black community is the breakdown of the family unit. How many single black mothers are there? It's been demonstrated over and over how important the core family structure and parental discipline are to raising children properly and ensuring their proper education. I think many black leaders have or are realizing this, including Cosby, and are attempting to do something about it. I laud Cosby in particular for being so up front about it as well. It may be criticism but it's constructive criticism.

To the original poster, is there any reason why you didn't tell this girl about the black members of dubya's staff, just to let her know that there blacks in positions of power? Maybe if she knew that she'd have walked away with some hope and possibly a dream for her future.

He just started the thread as a Bush Basher. Once again using Blacks to gain some sort of power.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
To the original poster, is there any reason why you didn't tell this girl about the black members of dubya's staff, just to let her know that there blacks in positions of power? Maybe if she knew that she'd have walked away with some hope and possibly a dream for her future.

Then you could have told her about the conservative attempts to stamp out the black vote with scare-tactics. You know... just to be fair and balanced and all...

None of what you quote is proven. The scare tactics are the ones you keep posting and those are just the Democrats doing their regular, racist thing.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Tabb
America is racist, thats why.

And our African Americans would love to be living in Africa these days?

What does that have to do with anything? Please expand on that...

That is OK, I expanded on some of your stuff further down.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
To the original poster, is there any reason why you didn't tell this girl about the black members of dubya's staff, just to let her know that there blacks in positions of power? Maybe if she knew that she'd have walked away with some hope and possibly a dream for her future.

Then you could have told her about the conservative attempts to stamp out the black vote with scare-tactics. You know... just to be fair and balanced and all...

None of what you quote is proven. The scare tactics are the ones you keep posting and those are just the Democrats doing their regular, racist thing.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c...alt.vote.suppress.html

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

And our African Americans would love to be living in Africa these days?

What does that have to do with anything? Please expand on that...

That is OK, I expanded on some of your stuff further down.

What are you talking about? I asked you to explain what "And our African Americans would love to be living in Africa these days?" has to do with anything...

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
He didn't create racism but GWB represents the culture and heritage that has traditionally persecuted blacks. At the best GWB and his ilk are indifferent to blacks. At worst they are closet racists.

No, I am sorry that you are so ill informed. You should read a wider selection of material. The Burbon Democrats represent that. Many of the people of the south moved away from the Democratic Party for just that reason. The membership of the Democratic Party has changed, but the same plantation leaders (Jimmy Carter) are still in power. We would like to see more of the unseated. Clinton, admittedly, was not a rich Democrat, but his families membership in the party does go back some generations. Kerry is a northern Democrat and does not represent that part of the party, but doesn't seem to criticize it either.

And maybe you should read closer . Nothing you stated refutes my previous statement.

...meanwhile Infohawk waits for condor to finish responding to every single post...

No, I'm sorry. Clinton and Carter more appropriately represent your statement. I just heard a young woman say last week that she thought Clinton was the champion of her race until she read his book and discovered that he really looks up to some of the past uncle Tom's. She said that her family is paying more attention these days.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
He didn't create racism but GWB represents the culture and heritage that has traditionally persecuted blacks. At the best GWB and his ilk are indifferent to blacks. At worst they are closet racists.

No, I am sorry that you are so ill informed. You should read a wider selection of material. The Burbon Democrats represent that. Many of the people of the south moved away from the Democratic Party for just that reason. The membership of the Democratic Party has changed, but the same plantation leaders (Jimmy Carter) are still in power. We would like to see more of the unseated. Clinton, admittedly, was not a rich Democrat, but his families membership in the party does go back some generations. Kerry is a northern Democrat and does not represent that part of the party, but doesn't seem to criticize it either.

And maybe you should read closer . Nothing you stated refutes my previous statement.

...meanwhile Infohawk waits for condor to finish responding to every single post...

No, I'm sorry. Clinton and Carter more appropriately represent your statement. I just heard a young woman say last week that she thought Clinton was the champion of her race until she read his book and discovered that he really looks up to some of the past uncle Tom's. She said that her family is paying more attention these days.

Blacks supported Clinton much more than they support Bush. In any case we're talking about Bush, not Clinton.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor
Democrats still sell Blacks!

Vacation-worthy?

Not really, I didn't go that far.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

And our African Americans would love to be living in Africa these days?

What does that have to do with anything? Please expand on that...

That is OK, I expanded on some of your stuff further down.

What are you talking about? I asked you to explain what "And our African Americans would love to be living in Africa these days?" has to do with anything...

Read on the Black Panthers and their return to their native land for your answer. Don't bait me.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
He didn't create racism but GWB represents the culture and heritage that has traditionally persecuted blacks. At the best GWB and his ilk are indifferent to blacks. At worst they are closet racists.

No, I am sorry that you are so ill informed. You should read a wider selection of material. The Burbon Democrats represent that. Many of the people of the south moved away from the Democratic Party for just that reason. The membership of the Democratic Party has changed, but the same plantation leaders (Jimmy Carter) are still in power. We would like to see more of the unseated. Clinton, admittedly, was not a rich Democrat, but his families membership in the party does go back some generations. Kerry is a northern Democrat and does not represent that part of the party, but doesn't seem to criticize it either.

And maybe you should read closer . Nothing you stated refutes my previous statement.

...meanwhile Infohawk waits for condor to finish responding to every single post...

No, I'm sorry. Clinton and Carter more appropriately represent your statement. I just heard a young woman say last week that she thought Clinton was the champion of her race until she read his book and discovered that he really looks up to some of the past uncle Tom's. She said that her family is paying more attention these days.

Blacks supported Clinton much more than they support Bush. In any case we're talking about Bush, not Clinton.

They did, but they are seeing the difference more every day.

 

[imported_Condor]

Breakfast is served - later.

 

[Mayax]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
He didn't create racism but GWB represents the culture and heritage that has traditionally persecuted blacks. At the best GWB and his ilk are indifferent to blacks. At worst they are closet racists.

No, I am sorry that you are so ill informed. You should read a wider selection of material. The Burbon Democrats represent that. Many of the people of the south moved away from the Democratic Party for just that reason. The membership of the Democratic Party has changed, but the same plantation leaders (Jimmy Carter) are still in power. We would like to see more of the unseated. Clinton, admittedly, was not a rich Democrat, but his families membership in the party does go back some generations. Kerry is a northern Democrat and does not represent that part of the party, but doesn't seem to criticize it either.

And maybe you should read closer . Nothing you stated refutes my previous statement.

...meanwhile Infohawk waits for condor to finish responding to every single post...

No, I'm sorry. Clinton and Carter more appropriately represent your statement. I just heard a young woman say last week that she thought Clinton was the champion of her race until she read his book and discovered that he really looks up to some of the past uncle Tom's. She said that her family is paying more attention these days.

Blacks supported Clinton much more than they support Bush. In any case we're talking about Bush, not Clinton.

How did Clinton repay them?

More blacks were sent to jail in Clinton's term than in Bush I and Reagan's terms combined.

 

[GoPackGo]

When will Oprah run?

 

[piasabird]

I will try to comment on this subject, but I do so only because it was brought up. Many people are scared to talk on this subject because to say anything derrogatory about the "Black" or African American candidate or people for fear of being labeled a racist.

I leave in Illinois near St Louis, MO. About 4 years ago there was an election for mayor of St Louis, MO in which 2 African Americans were running for office. One of the candidates wanted to promote himself because the other candidate wasnt really for Black People. It is kind of hard to understand how one Black Man says another Black Man is not Black enough to serve in political office.

If an African American is to succeed in a Presidential Election he or she will have to represent and get the votes from the majority. This means an African American will have to represent White (Caucasion) America as well as all of the other minorities like Cubans, Mexicans, Asians, and others. However, most Black Elected Officials got elected based on their suppor of their Black Constituants. This tends to put them at a disadvantage compared to candidates who got put in office in areas where there is a greater white majority or the candidate appeals more to the traditional European American Base of Constituants.

Is it possible? I dont really know. I would have to say I have my doubts.

Is there racism in America? Yes

While I dont consider myself a Racist, I would be the first to admit that people tend to admit that My "White" background has resulted in certain bias behaviour that is ingrained deep and hard to overcome. These things lie in our subconscience and are hard to overcome. There is also the Tribe Mentality that states that we are most confortable with the people from our own group social or peer group. As a Mormon I have studied this and it is sometimes referred to as the "Us vs Them" mentality.

Sorry; I don't have an Easy Answer.

 

[irwincur]

First black president = JC Watts.

There is no way the Democrats will field the first black contender, to them blacks are a voting base, nothing more. It is the DNC that promises the world to blacks every four years, only to fail and then blame it on the RNC. It is the DNC that panders hopelessly to blacks to get their vote one last time. Well, it looks like this is coming to an end. The last of the guaranteed DNC voter bases is leaving the building. If the DNC thought of blacks as good leaders they would appoint them high level cabinet positions (almost never happens under Dem. presidents), give them high level election jobs (never happens), and allow them to run Committees in Congress (also very rare). The only blacks with any real leadership roles in DC have all be Republican.

I wish black America would see this. How many black officials are working on the Kerry campaign in visible positions - NONE. How many has he proposed for his shadow cabinet - NONE.

The DNC needs to black vote, as their other base units have been slowly shrinking. Women are leaving them, men left a long time ago, Unions have priced themselves out of business, and now the black vote - sick of the propaganda and pandering are beginning to flee. If the left cannot stem this flow, they seriously endanger their future. The Democrat party will fail to exist as it does today, and leftism in America will be dead.




By the way... there is racism everywhere. It is human nature. Do you want to see some real racism in action, take a trip to Europe. Everyone hates everyone else over there, and it is often violent.