Why are we so scared of pitbulls?

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herm0016

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I guess you would be terrified of our 160 lb Anatolian Pyrenees mix. He is a hell of a cuddler! only weights about 10 lbs less than i do, and loves a good hug, bread to fight off a bear or a pack of wolves from harming a flock.
 

momeNt

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Look at it like this, large dog and (especially) pit bull owners.

Your dog is probably MORE likely to maul your or someone else's kid than you are likely of winning the lottery, yet somehow you refuse to believe it could happen to you, and on the other hand you still buy a lottery ticket every now and again. It is irrational to not at least acknowledge the risks.
 
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herm0016

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never bought a lotto ticket in my life. you are also more likely to die getting in your car at any point in time or getting shot by a random stranger on the street than winning the loto or getting mauled by a dog. do you drive? do you walk down the street? I did get attacked by a German when I was on a Search and Rescue Mission doing door to doors. Still love our pups, and am not afraid of a dog.
 

momeNt

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never bought a lotto ticket in my life. you are also more likely to die getting in your car at any point in time or getting shot by a random stranger on the street than winning the loto or getting mauled by a dog. do you drive? do you walk down the street? I did get attacked by a German when I was on a Search and Rescue Mission doing door to doors. Still love our pups, and am not afraid of a dog.

Do you use car seats for your kid? Do you wear a seat belt? Look before crossing the street? Do you acknowledge the risks that a large dog poses, especially around children?
 

Ns1

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never bought a lotto ticket in my life. you are also more likely to die getting in your car at any point in time or getting shot by a random stranger on the street than winning the loto or getting mauled by a dog.

I don't know anyone who has won the lotto or have been shot by random strangers, but I know a lot of people and dogs who have gotten mauled by large breed dogs.
 

MrSquished

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I don't know anyone who has won the lotto or have been shot by random strangers, but I know a lot of people and dogs who have gotten mauled by large breed dogs.

Funny I live in a very urban area filled with pitbulls and I haven't heard of anyone getting mauled by a pit except in the news very very rarely. Like as in almost never.

And you know lots of people and dogs who have gotten mauled by large breed dogs. Do you live in an inbred redneck area filled with morons?
 

Ns1

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And you know lots of people and dogs who have gotten mauled by large breed dogs. Do you live in an inbred redneck area filled with morons?

Last attack was a large breed dog vs corgi/chihuaha mix, dog ran out of someone's yard and mauled the chorgi. Attack didn't stop until the cops came and beat the shit out of the dog. This was in a neighborhood where median home prices exceed 700k.

Funny I live in a very urban area filled with pitbulls and I haven't heard of anyone getting mauled by a pit except in the news very very rarely. Like as in almost never.

Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't happen. The media didn't report the above incident, but the end result was 2 dead dogs - one mauled to death by the other, and the other put to sleep by animal control.
 

local

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We had a trio of pits get put down in our neighborhood. They got out once and I saw them go after a small dog an old woman was walking. It didn't seem so much like they were trying to kill it as they were trying to chase it away.

After that every time we would walk with our 3 year olds those dogs would bounce off the fence and I finally said no more as they had already broken out once.

A few weeks later they broke out again out again and pinned a woman against her garage. A neighbor came over and tried to get them to leave but one of them went after him. And finally a police officer happened to be driving by and saw what was happening and intervened. Apparently for a few minutes you had three people trying to fight off three dogs one on one.

Eventually it was resolved and the owners agreed to give them up to be destroyed instead of pay $300 a day that they couldn't guarantee they wouldn't be able to get out.

What I saw and the description of the second account sounds like nothing more than pack behavior establishing their turf. The problem was that due to the sheer strength of these dogs they were quite dangerous.
 
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MrSquished

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Last attack was a large breed dog vs corgi/chihuaha mix, dog ran out of someone's yard and mauled the chorgi. Attack didn't stop until the cops came and beat the shit out of the dog. This was in a neighborhood where median home prices exceed 700k.



Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't happen. The media didn't report the above incident, but the end result was 2 dead dogs - one mauled to death by the other, and the other put to sleep by animal control.

The city I live in is urban and we are a few min away from NYC. I am in a couple local Facebook dog groups for our locale. If anything happened in town I'd hear about it.
 

MrSquished

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:whiste:

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/investigations/2015/06/12/animal-bites/71117490/




But please, tell me more about all the front line information you have regarding dog bites in your neighborhood via local facebook groups.

I live in NJ not NY. I already did a search for pitbull attacks near me. There have been a few in the last 2 years. Very sad they involved kids. I hope those dogs are put down.

I still feel pretty fucking safe with all these pitties around me daily.

:whistle:
 

MrSquished

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everyone does, until they don't.

I've made it 42 years in Northern NJ with 7 of those years living in an urban area where pitties are the predominant breed. I must be a survivorman.

I am far more worried about shit that is actually a threat to me around here. Like cars.
 

Ns1

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I've made it 42 years in Northern NJ with 7 of those years living in an urban area where pitties are the predominant breed. I must be a survivorman.

Well, the attack in question in post #82 happened when the owner was 60+, so depending on your age you still have a chance!
 

Muse

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The same reason you should be afraid of chimpanzees. A Chimp can rip your face off.
 
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kage69

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A woman I used to work with in Maine almost died when her own pitt latched onto her hand and wouldn't let go. She was having an argument in the kitchen with her husband, and in an effort to end it whirled away and went to exit the room. The dog, without any direction from the husband, attacked her as she walked away. Despite repeated commands by both people to release it would not. The husband eventually got it to let go by breaking a bottle over the dog's head, then he kicked it down the basement steps when it was dazed and slammed the door shut. She almost died from an infection. Came out of the hospital several days later with a mangled hand and forearm with a catheter still in it. They had to put her on some serious meds in order to save her hand.

Divorced the guy within a few months of that too IIRC.

I think pit owners need to face reality and accept that what they adore just happens to have augmented aggression by virtue of genetics. The terrier in them makes for stubbornness that can, as in the example I just gave, overrule directions from alpha. There's part of the problem right there. Look at those massive, extremely aggressive working dogs from the East, those Asian molosser and mastiffs breeds that guard both livestock and land. Dogs like Kangals, Caucasian Mountain dogs, Tibetan Mastiffs, etc are every bit as dangerous as pitbulls (moreso with the right setting) but they don't turn on their alpha (without abuse being involved anyway). When you factor in that pit bulls often seem to lack the trigger of a threat in order to attack, horrible things can and do happen.
 

Mayne

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A woman I used to work with in Maine almost died when her own pitt latched onto her hand and wouldn't let go. She was having an argument in the kitchen with her husband, and in an effort to end it whirled away and went to exit the room. The dog, without any direction from the husband, attacked her as she walked away. Despite repeated commands by both people to release it would not. The husband eventually got it to let go by breaking a bottle over the dog's head, then he kicked it down the basement steps when it was dazed and slammed the door shut. She almost died from an infection. Came out of the hospital several days later with a mangled hand and forearm with a catheter still in it. They had to put her on some serious meds in order to save her hand.

Divorced the guy within a few months of that too IIRC.

I think pit owners need to face reality and accept that what they adore just happens to have augmented aggression by virtue of genetics. The terrier in them makes for stubbornness that can, as in the example I just gave, overrule directions from alpha. There's part of the problem right there. Look at those massive, extremely aggressive working dogs from the East, those Asian molosser and mastiffs breeds that guard both livestock and land. Dogs like Kangals, Caucasian Mountain dogs, Tibetan Mastiffs, etc are every bit as dangerous as pitbulls (moreso with the right setting) but they don't turn on their alpha (without abuse being involved anyway). When you factor in that pit bulls often seem to lack the trigger of a threat in order to attack, horrible things can and do happen.

shhhh! don't want to trigger them
 

kage69

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The same reason you should be afraid of chimpanzees. A Chimp can rip your face off.

I'd be more worried about an enraged chimp than a pit. That whole intelligence + opposable thumbs thing ramps the danger up quite a bit, and like honey badgers they'll take it that extra step by actively targeting your cash and prizes.

I can see myself using a folding knife to cause enough pain to a dog that it lets go (think a forceful Spyderco flossing). Change that hypothetical to one involving an enraged chimp (where I couldn't run) and it's Brock fucking Samson time. The conservationists can bill me. You ain't getting my balls!
 
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NetGuySC

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I would like to see the numbers on fatalities per breed, that would more accurately tell whether the misconceptions of the pit bull are real or not.

From a quick search I found that pit bulls account for 71% of the reported fatalities in the US.



:whiste:

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/investigations/2015/06/12/animal-bites/71117490/




But please, tell me more about all the front line information you have regarding dog bites in your neighborhood via local facebook groups.
 
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Kyle

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Chillin with my pittie mix on the couch this afternoon. Look at those big floppy ears. The cuteness is undeniable. What a handsome motherfucker! And a sweetie

Good looking pup.

I've only been around one pit for any extended amount if time - it was incredibly sweet, though I'd be lying if I wasn't a little more aware of it's movements/actions. I wouldn't rule out owning a pit bull, but my preference is golden retrievers.
 

PliotronX

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They are quite like humans, even with all the psychology tests ad nauseum you can never tell when one will snap. Fiercly loyal, they have also been known to stop attacks on owners with force on evil attackers, they are just about the quintessential double edged sword. I usually see stories of the ones that snap come from abusive homes, even after being relocated to loving homes so 9 times out of 10 its the upbringing just as with kids. Consequently, I am less afraid of dangerous tools because they have controls and failsafe measures while large dogs do not.
 

shortylickens

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Same reasons I'm scared of southern white males with tattoos:

They've threatened me.
They've hurt me.

Whether I'm prejudiced or not is irrelevant. Only a fucking moron does the same thing over and over without learning.
 
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