Why are [Western] women expected to change their last names after getting married?

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fatpat268

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On a similar note, I have two middle names. And when I got my drivers license, my parents thought I should have both names on it since my social security card has it. But the DMV would only display one name, so now it's hyphenated. Ugh. I get questions about it everytime someone sees the license now.

It's gonna get changed back when I renew it though.
 

GWestphal

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Just create a new last name? Mr. Smith marries Ms. Jones. So they decided to become the Smones?

I support this! This would be so awesome. George Harrison + Kim Johnson = Harrijohnson? It's pronounced with a "yah" sound, get your mind out of the gutter!
 

nehalem256

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In the end, I decided that if we were going to be a family, we should all have the same name. Never occurred to me to ask him to change his - he would have said no, in any case.

Which is exactly the view of Japan. Marriage is forming a new family, and so its members should have the same family name. Sensible people those Japanese.

I think that the trend away from this is a tiny part of a larger political and cultural campaign against men in general. Only time will tell how much men in the west will allow the radical feminist movement and white-knighting politicians to perpetrate against us. We are already less than equal to women in the eyes of the law.

Can't argue with that.

But I also think it is part of the liberal attempt to destroy any meaning to marriage, and redefine to be just a way to get government benefits. See the above about marriage forming a new family.
 

Garet Jax

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Why do we do it? Seems like a silly tradition that should be ended. AFAIK, Asian cultures don't expect women to change their names. Or if its going to change, then both partners in the marriage should both change their names.

Seems only like the fair thing to do if we are moving toward and free-er, equal and open society. Amirite?

Why do the Chinese kill their first born if it isn't a boy. Seems like an unfair thing to do if we are moving toward and free-er, equal and open society. Amirite?
 

ShawnD1

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Why do the Chinese kill their first born if it isn't a boy. Seems like an unfair thing to do if we are moving toward and free-er, equal and open society. Amirite?
u fail @ economics

Having a shortage of women makes them worth more. Aborting females greatly increases the value of the remaining females. This was the exact plot of that movie Goldfinger, except it was about gold, and it was about poisoning the gold instead of aborting it, and the film had no Chinese people except that guy with the hat.
 

Jeff7

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to show ownership.
Pretty much seems like it.



Options:
- Interleave the letters in each name, then delete every other letter.
Who gets to keep the first letter of their last name as the first letter in the resulting name shall be determined by a classic fight to the death.
- Random.org decides whose last name is used after the marriage.
 

0roo0roo

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Why do we do it? Seems like a silly tradition that should be ended. AFAIK, Asian cultures don't expect women to change their names. Or if its going to change, then both partners in the marriage should both change their names.

Seems only like the fair thing to do if we are moving toward and free-er, equal and open society. Amirite?

why are men expected to produce engagement rings?

traditions always wonderful when its in your favor.

why get married at all? its an archaic institution that fails much of the time, and has ridiculous laws on the division of assets.


anyways what is the woman protecting? its not her name, its her fathers name...


asian cultures value family name, i'm not sure where u got the idea asian cultures don't use the husbands family name.
 
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Phoenix86

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Much as I respect women's rights, the movement away from this tradition is silly.

Should people keep having ever longer and longer last names with each generation, with more and more hyphens?

The idea behind it is to create a cohesive new family unit. If a couple decides to use the woman's last name instead of the man's, so be it. But choose one and quit being fucking retarded.
:thumbsup:

These people are so selfish and short sighted. What do their children do, combine 4 names? What about the grandchildren?
 

Phoenix86

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18% seems right in line with that. Referencing another thread, I would say "quite a few people speak french in Canada" is accurate, and that number is only 22%.
18% of U.S. women is well more than quite a few. 22% of Canadians is also well more than quite a few. These are of course general and relative terms, but that's really nitpicking no mater which side of the fence you sit on.

Also, if you read the article there's also a major hole in it. OK, so the number of women keeping their maiden names has gone down. The ones hyphenating them has gone up and the article doesn't mention that, so are the ones who would have kept their maiden name just deciding to hyphenate?
 

RPD

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Hyphenating names is just another way people think they can make themselves special or unique. I'd bet there's a huge overlap of people that would do this and also name their children Apple or think by using "ie" instead of "y" or whatever "creative" sounding means they can come up with somehow makes their children a special little snowflake.
 

l0cke

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Jumping on the hyphen hate wagon. It's dumb and pointless. The women takes the man's name out of tradition, but traditions are usually stupid. However, they should decide on one name and stick with it.

Also, what to gay married couples do? If it's two women, do they just drop both last names?
 

preslove

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OP, how in any way does this TRADITION hurt you or anyone else? Liberals bitch and moan about staying out of people's business, especially when it doesn't hurt anyone, then turn around and want to force the end of a TRADITION.

Who the fuck is forcing anything? Wingnut assholes like you confuse the personal choices of others with the government FORCING you to do something. You're no better than some idiot "Christian" that thinks gay marriage infringes on their religious liberties.
 

LumbergTech

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None of it matters. We don't have some horrible problem with names in our society. This thread is worthless and a joke.

I should clarify that I agree with the OP. If a woman wants to take a man's name, great. If she doesn't negotiations about a new name or a combination name can occur. It really is no big deal. It isn't some sign of some greater evil in society like certain deranged individuals seem to think about every issue that arises.
 
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Phoenix86

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None of it matters. We don't have some horrible problem with names in our society. This thread is worthless and a joke.

I should clarify that I agree with the OP. If a woman wants to take a man's name, great. If she doesn't negotiations about a new name or a combination name can occur. It really is no big deal. It isn't some sign of some greater evil in society like certain deranged individuals seem to think about every issue that arises.
Oh sure it's no big society killer or anything but the pragmatics do cause issues like the one I raised a few posts back.
 

diesbudt

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Ahhh...first world "problems". No, you're not right.

So what do you propose we do? Just create a new last name? Mr. Smith marries Ms. Jones. So they decided to become the Smones?
Or you could have everybody hyphenate, but then what happens when the son of Mr and Mrs. Smith-Jones marries the son of Mr. and Mrs. Johnson-Abdullah? Do their children become Joey and Jane Smith-Jones-Johnson-Abdullah?? Because, nothing else would be fair, right? You can't just arbitrarily eliminate one of those names! That would be moving away from a "more open, freer society"

The only thing that makes even the slightest sense is for the woman to not change her name at all. But then what last name does/do the children take, hmm?

Let's fix real problems in society before worrying about feminist non-issues with which to soil ourselves over.


Class attendance in school would be brutal...

{Is Zach 'Jones-Smith-Schwantes-Worrell-Dailey-Sutherly-Neiman' here today?}
 

kami333

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At least for Japan this is untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Married_and_maiden_names#Japan


This seems like a good explanation. People in the same family share the same last name. As marriage is forming a family together it is logical that the husband and wife should share the same last name.

It has nothing to do with freedom as their is no law requiring the taking the husband's name.

Although interestingly their was a Japanese court case where some woman sued claiming it was a violation of her human rights to have to have the same last name as her husband. She lost :biggrin:

There's one loophole around the same last name requirement for koseki, marry a foreigner. Since foreigners aren't be officially listed on the koseki (they are listed in the comments section) you can have separate last names. The children will have to take the Japanese last name though if you want them to have citizenship.

It's kind of refreshing to hear of a Westerner who appreciates the koseki system, it's generally hated for being racist and xenophobic, privacy concerns and hindrance to adoption.
 

Vic Vega

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Why do we do it? Seems like a silly tradition that should be ended. AFAIK, Asian cultures don't expect women to change their names. Or if its going to change, then both partners in the marriage should both change their names.

Seems only like the fair thing to do if we are moving toward and free-er, equal and open society. Amirite?

No one forces anyone to do this. The women who want to do it, do it, those that do not, do not.

/thread
 

Aikouka

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When Hollywood stars or just famous people get married, they don't seem to change their name. Do they actually change it, but simply still get billed under their original name? I can understand not wanting to drop the fame attached to your name.

Alot of chicks are starting to Hyphenate their last name into it. I only see this on Facebook though, I doubt this is their legal last name that show up on their license

I see most people doing it without a hyphen, but it's purely for informational purposes. I guess it makes them easier to be searched if someone knew them by their maiden name?
 
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