Why aren't games getting better?

[Bateluer]

Consoles have a bigger and more stable customer base.

Yep, they've apparently got cash to burn and little financial sense.

 

[Rezident]

Played TF2 yet? Good games by godo developers are getting better, all the time.

 

[hellotyler]

TF2 came out what, 3 years ago ? I love it, don't get me wrong, but there needs to be more fun games in the same vein as TF2. I know what I'd kill for is an updated version of rogue spear.

 

[hans030390]

First 2 halo games, along with the first 2 CoD were very good games, the last 3 games in the series turned them both in exemplar cash cows.

Halo 2 was pretty bad. I mean, sure, it really pushed online console gaming, but the game itself was disappointing.

 

[BladeVenom]

Maybe you just don't like FPS now because they are more competitive with more people playing and you suck at them?

LOL! I think you have his motivation backwards. Most players now are causal players and noobs. It's never been easier for a hardcore gamer to dominate.

I would say for the most part a MW2 pub is harder than a CS pub was back in the 1.3-1.5 days when CS was huge. (I don't acknowledge CS before 1.3 since I never played it, lol)

CoD4 has been out almost 3 years, and most of the players still play like noobs.

I prefer strategy games and RPGs over shooters, and I still don't have much trouble going into a game of CoD4 and dominating. The hardest part about CoD4 is not getting kicked when your dominating a server.

I keep getting Claymore kills over and over again, even though I set them up at the same spot. Either be careful or be fast, don't stop to look at them when you hear a click. Staring at it isn't going to make it back down.

When I call in a chopper, it's like they come out to wave at it I get so many kills. They aren't endangered species, shoot them down.

Last Stand is so funny. When I go to Last Stand, it's like they stop to see if I need medical attention. I almost always get someone from Last Stand. Sometimes several players. If your aim is too bad to shoot someone in the head, at least shoot him again, before he turns around and aims for your head.

Martyrdom: When you do eventually kill someone, don't stop and look, marveling that you finally killed someone, get away.

Like I said, shooter are my third choice in gaming. I can't imagine how easy it is for the serious fans. Like fish in a barrel. Slow stupid fish that is.

 

[tedrodai]

Consolization doesn't exist, it is yet another baseless argument. UT3 was exactly the same formula that existed since the original. The best thing about UT3 was the fact it was the only FPS on consoles to allow the use of keyboard/mouse. If anything, it PCized the console FPS genre

It's impossible for consoles to hold back PC gaming. You imply intention and force where neither exist. PC gamers are holding back PC gaming, however. More than one studio has gone under due to pirating. Even games that are sold at a price determined by the buyer are still pirated. Consoles have a bigger and more stable customer base.

Look dude, it really doesn't matter what the reasons are. Allow me to repeat this: it doesn't matter what the reasons are. Games are being developed for consoles FIRST, then quickly ported to PC, so they are not taking advantage of many possible superior features of the PC platform--thus "consolization" or however you want to term it. Is it that hard of a concept to grasp? This affects certain game genres much more than others, but FPS are definitely among those most affected.

Businesses obviously like the consoles for many reasons, but (at least at this point in time) you will almost always have a worse user interface, a worse control scheme, fewer graphics/sound/etc options, fewer implemented (other) features, modding restrictions, etc., on a game developed for consoles vs one developed for PCs. There is simply no way around this unless the consoles become more like PCs. There is only so much a developer can do when faced with the inputs provided by a console controller and the fixed hardware specs of a console.

It has nothing to do with WHY. It is simply cause > effect. There are many advantages to consoles, especially to devs/businesses, but yes, they hold back the quality of PC games when games are being designed for the consoles first PERIOD

 

[Murloc]

why don't you create a game that sells good and is nice on your opinion if you're so good?
you're just nostalgic, the games moved to other places and you didn't.

I personally love playing crysis or call of duty with my friends, yeah they are all the same maybe, but graphics are new and single player campaigns too.
Dedicated servers rant: I agree with you on this one, consoles ruined PC games a bit, but with some heavy modding you can overcome those problems.

 

[ViviTheMage]

By better you mean innovative it sounds like.

 

[lord_emperor]

Who says they arent getting better? Sales numbers are through the roof, which means a VERY large majority of people disagree with you.

While I agree games are worse in some aspects; there are definitely some things better about current FPS games.

Marketing.

BF1942 is superior to Modern FPS games in every way except graphics.

 

[shortylickens]

why don't you create a game that sells good and is nice on your opinion if you're so good?
you're just nostalgic, the games moved to other places and you didn't.

I personally love playing crysis or call of duty with my friends, yeah they are all the same maybe, but graphics are new and single player campaigns too.
Dedicated servers rant: I agree with you on this one, consoles ruined PC games a bit, but with some heavy modding you can overcome those problems.

http://www.ukskeptics.com/article.php?dir=articles&article=Seven_fallacies_of_thought_and_reason.php

 

[Hugh H]

I can say the same thing about movies and maybe music, but what is actually happening is I'm getting older and so do my tastes in things that give me enjoyment.

This. In ~10 years, the current teenage generation will be saying "Oh man, remember when we used to play MW2? THOSE were the times..."

 

[TheBoyToy]

casual, dumbed down games sell better on the PC.Thats what the majority of PC gamers want.

 

[tedrodai]

You seemed to have missed the point of my post, Murloc. Of course I'm nostalgic, and I'm not about to go out there and show 'em how it's done. There's plenty of past examples as is. Devs know how it's done--hell, they sometimes put a lot of effort into making games as good humanly possible for console-designed games.

I'm not arguing that games suck just because they're on consoles, nor that devs are stupid for focussing on consoles, nor that gamers are stupid for liking those games. I've enjoyed many console games over the years, including FPSs, but the past few generations of PC games have increasingly included a certain clunkiness (and not only in FPSs) that didn't often exist prior to...idk, sometime around 2005-2006 maybe? +/- a few years.

Are the (decent and good) games enjoyable on consoles? Sure, people wouldn't buy them if they didn't agree. Are those same games enjoyable on PCs? Sure, can be. Heck, they can still be quality games. But games developed for PC have a lot more potential in certain areas, simply because devs can do more on the PC platform (and scale up/down as appropriate), and that potential is far less utilized today than just a few short years ago because devs do the console-to-PC port. It's always up to the dev to actually add quality where there is potential, but consoles, as a tool, take away several options from the start.

Vivi--I wouldn't say innovation is necessarily part of this...games can definitely be pretty innovative on consoles. I suppose it could be affected sometimes. Other issues such as a game's interface and controls are usually very apparent, though. Systems such as these that are optimized for a console are usually nowhere near optimal when converted to the PC. I imagine it's quite a bit more difficult to design controls for consoles vs PCs.

 

[SergeC]

Hopefully BF3 will say something about this. Ways off, though.

 

[skace]

Quake1 and Tribes 1 had the perfect balance of fast weapons and fast movement that moves FPS gameplay from point and shoot to a visceral game.

 

[Blintok]

why do games make you go online to play the single player part of the game. grrr.

i hate these new games that wont let you play them. yes i have a copy (original not a burned copy) of Battlefield 2142. But i cant play it. i dont want to play multplayer but just fart around in single player blowing things up or what ever.

EA wont let me play the game. its been so long i have no idea what my user name and password is. and my old email (shaw cable) no longer exists (on telus now) i tried making a new acct but it says this game is assigned to a different account so piss off.

I have BF 1942 and that works but its old... i have BF2 and thats ok but mostly the same theme as bf42 just with updated grafix and modern weapons. i tried to install it on my new computer but no soup for me.

BF2142 was fun with the futuristic weapons. oh well .. no more EA games for me. ESaD EA