Why ATI cards are Soviet cards?

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: Gamer X
1.They are red
2.The are less technologicaly advanced and they try to make up for that by employing higher core speeds,but in the end they are less effecient than nvidia cards,Soviet weapons were less technologicaly advanced,bigger,and less effecient than American weapons.
note:If ATI goes out of business that would be a third reason.

Russia has always been ONE of the most advanced countries in terms of technology (After/during WW2) so what u say is false.

Another point is that comparing gfx card manufacturers to contries is plain ridiculous, not only that and u can possibly offend people of those countries.

And in terms of graphics, it was ATI's desition to go for less pipes and faster clocks, it has no point of efficiency, because u can always say that ATI's card is more efficient because it relies on less pipelines to achive the same result, where u draw the line is individual opinion based on what is more important to u.

True that they were advanced, but their stuff lacked quality and diversity. Like all their cars looked identical, and they broke down easily. Communism gives people just enough incentive to do the work so it looks like they're working, but not care how well they do.

 

[Nirach]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
An Ak-47 is more efficent than a M16.
In terms of firepower, weight and stability (no jamming issues unlike the M16)
The AK pwns all.

Gotta disagree. More reliable, definately. But, if you're out in the field, you want a lightweight weapon, not a cinder block. M16 is lighter and much much much muchx100 more accurate. Plus, I'd rather have a weapon that wounded (like the M16) soldiers, rather than killed them. If you kill a soldier, that's one man out of the war. You wound one and you've taken 3-4 soldiers off the battlefield in order to evacuate/treat the wounded.

Learn to be a better shot, then

Eh.

ATI isn't communist. For the simple reason they're out to make money, much unlike the paper version of communism.

/thread?

 

[flyboy84]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Gamer X
1.They are red
2.The are less technologicaly advanced and they try to make up for that by employing higher core speeds,but in the end they are less effecient than nvidia cards,Soviet weapons were less technologicaly advanced,bigger,and less effecient than American weapons.
note:If ATI goes out of business that would be a third reason.

OK your statements are too funny.... You provided no timeline whatsoever.

I would be careful dissing Russia given that they invented the lazer, have far outpaced Americans when it comes to aircraft technology and actually hold the record for having built the largest airplane to date (AN-225 Mriya - which can hold the fuselage of a Boeing 747 inside its belly), as well as having one of the best helicopters on the planet - the Black Shark, and their space expertise is unparalleled. ....

Gordon Gould invented the laser while a graduate student at Columbia University.

Originally Posted by: About.com article on lasers
Gordon Gould was the first person to use the word "laser". There is good reason to believe that Gordon Gould made the first light laser. Gould was a doctoral student at Columbia University under Charles Townes, the inventor of the maser. Gordon Gould was inspired to build his optical laser starting in 1958. He failed to file for a patent his invention until 1959. As a result, Gordon Gould's patent was refused and his technolgy was exploited by others. It took until 1977 for Gordon Gould to finally win his patent war and recieve his first patent for the laser.

Edited with reference to back up claims

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Paktu
In Soviet Russia, card buys YOU!!!

LOL- dude this is seriously funny. If you have any desire to own a free Asus A8N SLI Deluxe that might work, I'd put this and what you were replying to in my giveaway thread in FS/FT.

You would be a contender at this point, I burst out laughing when I read this.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: Gamer X
1.They are red
2.The are less technologicaly advanced and they try to make up for that by employing higher core speeds,but in the end they are less effecient than nvidia cards,Soviet weapons were less technologicaly advanced,bigger,and less effecient than American weapons.
note:If ATI goes out of business that would be a third reason.

Russia has always been ONE of the most advanced countries in terms of technology (After/during WW2) so what u say is false.

Another point is that comparing gfx card manufacturers to contries is plain ridiculous, not only that and u can possibly offend people of those countries.

And in terms of graphics, it was ATI's desition to go for less pipes and faster clocks, it has no point of efficiency, because u can always say that ATI's card is more efficient because it relies on less pipelines to achive the same result, where u draw the line is individual opinion based on what is more important to u.

True that they were advanced, but their stuff lacked quality and diversity. Like all their cars looked identical, and they broke down easily. Communism gives people just enough incentive to do the work so it looks like they're working, but not care how well they do.

So let me ask you did u live in Soviet Russia to make such comments?
Also did u conduct a test on all Russia cars to come to the conclusion that they all broke down easily, (i know there were not much diversity) do you know what happened to the first "diverse" cars which were exported there, they sorta froze

In fact what technology lacks now is proper usage of it, not the quality of it.

Also read up on Socialism and what it is. There is a very slight difference between it and communism. What you are basing ur assumption on the system is not what it is but what it was turned into by a**holes like Stalin and then later spread by propaganda about it in the Cold war.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

All in all, Hitler couldve easily invaded Britain, and thats a fact during 1941.

Hitler abandoned his invasion plans before he invaded Russia because he was unable to remove the RAF from the picture.

QFT

Hitler never really wanted to continue the war with Britain and even offered overtures of peace after he finished off France. Britain's navy and Germany's rather anemic navy by comparison made Operation Sealion a dicey proposition at best.

Good read on Operation Sealion

Russia in no way could of defeated Germany without AmericanBritish and others' assistance. America (and Britain) provided a huge amount of material to the Russians after Russia was invaded. The German Luftwaffe was superior to the Americans/Brits/Russians in many ways but was divided into multiple fronts thus eliminating their superiority. Additionally, America probably couldn't of defeated Germany without Russian assistance because if Russia had fallen there would have been a full army and airforce in France and I doubt an invasion could of occurred. With Germans getting close to the nuclear bomb another year of war may have enabled them to develop it and then a stalemate would have occurred. Just my conjecture this early Black Friday morning, LOL.

 

[Steelski]

this thread has to be locked......thi sis really crappy.
How can blatent prats start threads like this.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
An Ak-47 is more efficent than a M16.
In terms of firepower, weight and stability (no jamming issues unlike the M16)
The AK pwns all.

And it's one of the best weapons bar none in BF2 as well

 

[Griswold]

I dont think ATI cards are less advanced as nvidia cards. In fact, its the other way around. How come ATI cards can show the same performance with 4 quads compared to nvidia cards with 5 or 6 quads? Thats not just clock speed.. And then theres this flashy new memory bus design that will save ATI alot of time when GDDR4 (or even 5?) arrives.

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
An Ak-47 is more efficent than a M16.
In terms of firepower, weight and stability (no jamming issues unlike the M16)
The AK pwns all.

Gotta disagree. More reliable, definately. But, if you're out in the field, you want a lightweight weapon, not a cinder block. M16 is lighter and much much much muchx100 more accurate. Plus, I'd rather have a weapon that wounded (like the M16) soldiers, rather than killed them. If you kill a soldier, that's one man out of the war. You wound one and you've taken 3-4 soldiers off the battlefield in order to evacuate/treat the wounded.

Come back when you know what you're talking about, mkay? The M16 is one of the worst assault rifles ever made and there is no way to deny that. Even the various successors are generally seen as inferior to a myriad of other assault rifles. Why even take the AK47. Theres a truckload of german, french, swiss, austrian and belgium assault rifles that make both of them look foolish.

By saying the M16 only wounds a target instead of killing it, you gave away that you never even fired a single shot from an assault rifle in your life.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Paktu
In Soviet Russia, card buys YOU!!!

LOL- dude this is seriously funny. If you have any desire to own a free Asus A8N SLI Deluxe that might work, I'd put this and what you were replying to in my giveaway thread in FS/FT.

You would be a contender at this point, I burst out laughing when I read this.

i was gonna quote him until i seen you quoted him first,..i think he should get the 939 sli board,...unless your gonna send it to me then screw him

 

[solofly]

One question. Don't you guy have anything better to do with your time? I guess not...

Garbage like this should had been moved over to off topic section or closed.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
This is a troll thread. The X1 series is leaps and bounds ahead compared to the X series.
Its feature set has a slight edge over the 7 series. Performance its pretty close due to the efficent design, although both GPUs are pretty damn eiffcent.

And who the *** are you to compare Ati to the soviet union? Well come to think of it, panzers (NV) vs T32s (ATi).

But this thread pure flamebait. I mean i started arguing over which gun is the best!!
Mods lock this thread please.

Why- this is fun reading!!

 

[VIAN]

Right... but they are Canadian...

 

[GreyMittens]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Plus, without Russia and their "inferior" and "inefficient" weapons, Americans would have never defeated Hitler

I don't think so.

I have to wonder...


*wonders*

Edit: PS - the AK owns in CS, and CS owns BF2 so by that logic the m16 really is a little worse

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Gamer X
1.They are red
2.The are less technologicaly advanced and they try to make up for that by employing higher core speeds,but in the end they are less effecient than nvidia cards,Soviet weapons were less technologicaly advanced,bigger,and less effecient than American weapons.
note:If ATI goes out of business that would be a third reason.

OK your statements are too funny.... You provided no timeline whatsoever.

I would be careful dissing Russia given that they invented the lazer, have far outpaced Americans when it comes to aircraft technology and actually hold the record for having built the largest airplane to date (AN-225 Mriya - which can hold the fuselage of a Boeing 747 inside its belly), as well as having one of the best helicopters on the planet - the Black Shark, and their space expertise is unparalleled. Russia's main problem with technology is lack of financial support and lack of quality attributed to lack of financial support and proper infrastructure. Let's not even discuss AK-47's standing as still the best all-around hand weapon ever made and how M16 guns jam in water....

I also failed to mention that out of all the countries in the world, Russia leads in terms of having the most billionaires under the age of 40 in the top 100; so it's not going out of business any time soon.

Instead you should thank the Soviet Union for showing you that some alternative market systems like communism are inferior to capitalism and that no market system is perfect or is protected from failure. Plus, without Russia and their "inferior" and "inefficient" weapons, Americans would have never defeated Hitler and many historians argue that they actually won the war and Americans helped them. The T-34 tank used in WW2 wasn't so bad afterall.

Again just because Russia is inferior economically today, doesn't mean US will remain the top empire forever...Just like Nvidia's market lead in the descrete graphics card segment is probably going to be overcome at one point (yet again ATI leads in overall market share).

Also when you say ATI cards are less technologically advanced, what do you mean exactly? Avivo video engine and ATI's 2D output are probably superior to Nvidia. Nvidia still offers no multimedia solution compared to Ati's all-in-wonder. ATI cards offer SM3.0, but let you have 14AA in crossfire mode and have 3Dc support. You can also say that that Nvidia has CineFX engine, shadow technology and that their engineering team has been able to produce a 110nm gpu that outpaces ATi's higher clocked gpu produced on 90nm process (an outstanding accomplishment).

Both companies offer something the other firm doesnt. Just because one goes about a different way of achieving the end result of producing image and framerates, doesn't mean the other is less technologically advanced. They are just different....Plus efficiency can be measured in terms of output per clock cycle, performance per watt, etc. So your argument is very ambiguous.

i agree....if anything stating that ATI = russian only makes them better than nvidia

the russians are very very very capable people, probably one of my favourite countrys.

they have the biggest cargo plane ive ever seen, they have the most powerful and largest helicopter i have ever seen (i think it was 2x1200Hp engines...8 blades) they were the only other country to build a supersonic airliner (even tho it crashed) and they have Alexander popov.....he may have quit swimming at the world/olympic level but he stil holds the record for the 50m free......and im willing to say that he has THE best freestyle stroke ever, forget hooganband, forget thorpedo.....popov was and still is the master.

back on topic

each have areas where they are more advanced compared to their rivals, id say theyre evenly matched, with the overall win going to nvidia since they seem to have their availability sorted and deliver on time. but in the grand scheme of things if you could buy any of the latest cards, you simply cannot go wrong, its win win for the consumer

 

[BenSkywalker]

I would be careful dissing Russia given that they invented the lazer

Only in their propaganda.

have far outpaced Americans when it comes to aircraft technology

Have the Russians to this day made anything that can compare to the SR-71? I have yet to see it. I figure it is only fair to give them an additional 40 years as they are ages behind the latest American aircraft technology. Currently we are working on jets that pull 30Gs in combat- the Russians are at the very least decades behind us.

hold the record for having built the largest airplane to date (AN-225 Mriya - which can hold the fuselage of a Boeing 747 inside its belly)

I thought you were talking about Russia, why switch to an Ukraine aircraft?

as well as having one of the best helicopters on the planet - the Black Shark

As opposed to the best.

and their space expertise is unparalleled

Quite true, ever since the US went screaming past them nearly forty years ago the Russians have had a death grip on the second most advanced space nation on Earth. Of course, in another five years that may change as the Chinese also soar past, but as of now they have no equal. Vastly superior of course, but not equal.

Let's not even discuss AK-47's standing as still the best all-around hand weapon ever made and how M16 guns jam in water....

The AK-47 is the best how...? The least accurate firearm ever mass produced? The cheapest firearm.... how exactly is it the best? A sword is far more reliable then an AK, when you run out of ammunition you are SOL with any gun, so in that aspect an AK is quite weak compared to that predecessor. Particularly when compared to weapons that aren't antiquated such as the XM8, saying the AK is the best all around hand weapon ever made is quite comical.

Instead you should thank the Soviet Union for showing you that some alternative market systems like communism are inferior to capitalism

The Pilgrims figured that out for us a couple centuries prior to Marx. It took them about nine months, you have to forgive them as they were quite ignorant to economic matters. That they only figured out a bit more then one hundred times faster then the Russians speak volumes of how inept they were in terms of economics

Plus, without Russia and their "inferior" and "inefficient" weapons, Americans would have never defeated Hitler and many historians argue that they actually won the war and Americans helped them.

That's cute, you think the Russian front really made a difference in the end. Reality is that had Germany placed all of their militaristic might in France we would have simply leveled them with atomic bombs. Germany wasn't remotely close to finishing their nuclear projects, they still lacked any way to refine U-237 to U-239 and at the point when they had that(which they didn't) it still would have been another couple of years for them to be able to counter. Also, unlike the much weaker Russian state- we fought wars on both fronts at the same time and we were winning both. Of course we would have waited to start our second main offensive line if the Russian weather wasn't taking so much away from the Germans, but in the end we would have ended up saving a lot of Eastern Europe from the barbaric inhuman Russian rule.

 

[CKXP]

wow pretty funny stuff....you've got history and technology, weapons, capitalism vs communism, ati vs. nividia, this thread is all over the place:laugh:

oh the M-16 sucks, it's M-16A2 that rocks, accurate, lightweight, much more reliable than its predecessor. also it's speed that kills, a 5.56mm round traveling with a muzzle velocity of 2800 FPS is no joke.

 

[Janooo]

Just for curiosity does anybody know how many Russians and how many Americans died in the WWII?

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Have the Russians to this day made anything that can compare to the SR-71? I have yet to see it. I figure it is only fair to give them an additional 40 years as they are ages behind the latest American aircraft technology. Currently we are working on jets that pull 30Gs in combat- the Russians are at the very least decades behind us.

Sure when you talk about a specific model not widely used by anyone. A 1 type example certainly shows off capability. This doesnt mean Russian engineers are incapable of producing SR-71 or besting it for that matter. The country is not in an economic state where it can afford to build such advanced technology since they have other troubles, that tells us nothing about their capability if they decided to do such a project.

But if you have money you can order their fighter jets and they'll happily build them for you. Currently Russian air force su-27s are being upgraded to su-35 standard. Even the mere Su-35 will lay waste to an F-18 - Movie What's scarier Russia has a su-37 which is even better.

hold the record for having built the largest airplane to date (AN-225 Mriya - which can hold the fuselage of a Boeing 747 inside its belly)

I thought you were talking about Russia, why switch to an Ukraine aircraft?

The first model was build in 1988 when Ukraine was still a part of Russia and this year russia announced they'll resume production of this airplane. Again, this is just showing the capability of what the country can produce. I think you don't quite understand that Russia has the capability of making the best gun best tank, best nuclear sub, best airplane....you just have to give them money.

And you can bring various arguments to create BIAS. I can also say that Russia is far more advanced than US since it holds 16,000 nuclear warheads as of 2005 compared to US 10,315. But Russia will actually dismantle 8800 of those warheads bringing their total to 7200. Since over the last 20 years US agenda was to participate in every world brawl they could think of (come and fight countries for their own internal reasons), it probably means they have had more incentive to continue to invest into their military.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Janooo
Just for curiosity does anybody know how many Russians and how many Americans died in the WWII?

Link

At the time president Stalin did not even believe Americans or his advisors who all told him that Germany would invade Russia. So when the war started in 1939, he drank tea and coffee and ate caviar 24/7. By the time everyone was heavily into the war, Russia didnt even build 1 additional tank because they thought they wouldnt fight anyone. Imagine Germany converting every factory to build war machinery and almost every Russian factory producing shoes, clothes, cars....nothing military related. Just to convert country's infrastructure towards war efforts probably takes months.

This sums up the situation prior to Hitler's invasion on Russia : "Probably Stalin's most successful propaganda coup of all was the propagation of the myth that Soviet territorial acquisitions in 1939 were designed to establish a forward strategic line in case of a German attack. This tale has received wide acceptance, but eighteen months later when Hitler launched his invasion, virtually nothing had been accomplished in the way of fortifications, defensive lines or military airfields to exploit ground gained by the Nazi-Soviet Pact."

So when you have 1 gun among 100 men, it's no wonder your casualties will be through the roof. I dont necessarily recall Americans sending troops without weapons. Again since the majority of the war was not fought on NA land, it's only a statistical probability that those in the heart of warzone will get slaughtered like chickens even if they have weapons. And Stalin's unreadiness and shock during invasion (when Germany invaded Russia he told everyone it was a lie and sat in his office in shock for days not talking to anyone) only made the country less prepared when everyone else was trying as hard as they can to produce weapons. Just the Leningrad (St. Petersburg) blockade alone killed more people than all US troops in the war (not going to look for numbers).

 

[Rob80]

Originally posted by: Gamer X
1.They are red
2.The are less technologicaly advanced and they try to make up for that by employing higher core speeds,but in the end they are less effecient than nvidia cards,Soviet weapons were less technologicaly advanced,bigger,and less effecient than American weapons.
note:If ATI goes out of business that would be a third reason.

You sir are an ass! :roll: Is this suppose to be witty!!! Half of your words are spelled wrong and your sentence structure is poor at best. I think I'll get my facts about ATI & the Soviet Union from some other source. Not from the "illiterate American"...

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
lol @ the dumbasses taking the OP seriously.

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: Rob80

Originally posted by: Gamer X
1.They are red
2.The are less technologicaly advanced and they try to make up for that by employing higher core speeds,but in the end they are less effecient than nvidia cards,Soviet weapons were less technologicaly advanced,bigger,and less effecient than American weapons.
note:If ATI goes out of business that would be a third reason.

You sir are an ass! :roll: Is this suppose to be witty!!! Half of your words are spelled wrong and your sentence structure is poor at best. I think I'll get my facts about ATI & the Soviet Union from some other source. Not from the "illiterate American"...

That was uncalled for,no need to be so rude!!
BTW,I'm not American.

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Janooo
Just for curiosity does anybody know how many Russians and how many Americans died in the WWII?

Link

At the time president Stalin did not even believe Americans or his advisors who all told him that Germany would invade Russia. So when the war started in 1939, he drank tea and coffee and ate caviar 24/7. By the time everyone was heavily into the war, Russia didnt even build 1 additional tank because they thought they wouldnt fight anyone. Imagine Germany converting every factory to build war machinery and almost every Russian factory producing shoes, clothes, cars....nothing military related. Just to convert country's infrastructure towards war efforts probably takes months.

This sums up the situation prior to Hitler's invasion on Russia : "Probably Stalin's most successful propaganda coup of all was the propagation of the myth that Soviet territorial acquisitions in 1939 were designed to establish a forward strategic line in case of a German attack. This tale has received wide acceptance, but eighteen months later when Hitler launched his invasion, virtually nothing had been accomplished in the way of fortifications, defensive lines or military airfields to exploit ground gained by the Nazi-Soviet Pact."

So when you have 1 gun among 100 men, it's no wonder your casualties will be through the roof. I dont necessarily recall Americans sending troops without weapons. Again since the majority of the war was not fought on NA land, it's only a statistical probability that those in the heart of warzone will get slaughtered like chickens even if they have weapons. And Stalin's unreadiness and shock during invasion (when Germany invaded Russia he told everyone it was a lie and sat in his office in shock for days not talking to anyone) only made the country less prepared when everyone else was trying as hard as they can to produce weapons. Just the Leningrad (St. Petersburg) blockade alone killed more people than all US troops in the war (not going to look for numbers).

I think he was in shock mainly because he realised how stupid he was to murder just about every top level military officer in his armies durring the "purges" i the late 30's, therfore depriving his armies of any real trained command organisation which really led to the stomping the Russians got early in the war.

 

[n7]

And here's another awesome thread :laugh: