Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

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zinfamous

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It is the defining episode of the Biden presidency and the death of the Democratic Party as we knew it.

fuck, you aren't getting any sleep for the next well, 100+ years I guess ( well, really 10 years is likely the only remaining years the dead, hardened tissue in your ticker will allow you).

so yeah, you'll be crying yourself to sleep every night until you die, believing this nonsense. It's what dickless traitors like yourself do.
 
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K1052

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So in general America doesn't really want to be in Afghanistan anymore or think the was was worth it but is troubled by the pullout's, arguably inevitable, messiness.

The former sentiment seems likely to be more durable and top of mind than the latter. People proclaiming political doom for Biden over this are probably quite a bit over their skis.

 

dank69

Lifer
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Pretty tough for fucking the incompetent and senile Biden to pull out of Afghanistan when there's still @ 15,000 Americans that he left behind enemy lines. The collapse of the Democratic party has stunned everyone.

Your political opinion is worthless. How did Lindell's symposium turn out? Trump going to be appointed speaker in 2022 so he can invoke the 25th on Biden/Harris, become President again, resign, AND run again and win in 2024? Are you going to pretend you don't believe all of this with every fiber of your being? Your head is so full of dogshit propaganda that it spills out all over our forum every time you watch/read some more.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Pretty tough for fucking the incompetent and senile Biden to pull out of Afghanistan when there's still @ 15,000 Americans that he left behind enemy lines. The collapse of the Democratic party has stunned everyone.


Yeh, Biden never should have followed Trump's plan. Or something. Or he shoulda found a way for the US to look good doing it, which is the important part, obviously.
 

pmv

Lifer
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He was one of the most powerful politicians in the country and he did nothing to end it during his 8 years as Senator and 8 years as Vice-President. Suck it up buttercup, you and your little dog.

The left opposed this from the start. The fiasco of this war belongs to your lot - the right. The neocon project - which has ended in almost unprecedented levels of abject failure - was a project of the right, your team (the clue is in the name). Own it.

(Though I can't say it surprises me that you are trying to take a page from the Nazi playbook and employ a variant of the 'stab in the back' myth. )
 

SMOGZINN

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People proclaiming political doom for Biden over this are probably quite a bit over their skis.
People proclaiming political doom for Biden over this don't understand modern American politics. This is simply too early in his term to define his presidency or be political doom for him no matter how badly it goes. The news cycle is too fast, and Americans have too short of a memory, especially when it comes to anything that does not directly affect them, for this to be a major political issue. This will be forgotten before Christmas. There will be 10 more crises before the next Presidential election, and this one will be ancient history. I give it at best a 40% chance that it will even be mentioned in the debates.
 

Greenman

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People proclaiming political doom for Biden over this don't understand modern American politics. This is simply too early in his term to define his presidency or be political doom for him no matter how badly it goes. The news cycle is too fast, and Americans have too short of a memory, especially when it comes to anything that does not directly affect them, for this to be a major political issue. This will be forgotten before Christmas. There will be 10 more crises before the next Presidential election, and this one will be ancient history. I give it at best a 40% chance that it will even be mentioned in the debates.
I think a lot of it depends on how many of the Americans left behind are beheaded on tv.
I've also seen several reports saying Biden was just following Trumps plan. I think that's a major mistake. It comes across as weak and foolish. Joe owns this fiasco, he needs to oversee fixing it.
 

pmv

Lifer
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I think a lot of it depends on how many of the Americans left behind are beheaded on tv.
I've also seen several reports saying Biden was just following Trumps plan. I think that's a major mistake. It comes across as weak and foolish. Joe owns this fiasco, he needs to oversee fixing it.

Nah, you conservatives aren't wriggling out of responsibilty that easily. _You lot_ own this fiasco, it was your project from the start.
 
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Ajay

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I think a lot of it depends on how many of the Americans left behind are beheaded on tv.
I've also seen several reports saying Biden was just following Trumps plan. I think that's a major mistake. It comes across as weak and foolish. Joe owns this fiasco, he needs to oversee fixing it.
Uh, he is fixing it. In consultation with the NSC, State and the Joint Chiefs, we are moving 6,000 solders in, air transport and air combat assets to get as many personnel out as is possible and is doing everything he can to cut the red tape on the SIVs. What else do you want?
 

dank69

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Uh, he is fixing it. In consultation with the NSC, State and the Joint Chiefs, we are moving 6,000 solders in, air transport and air combat assets to get as many personnel out as is possible and is doing everything he can to cut the red tape on the SIVs. What else do you want?
He wants him to stop being a Democrat
 
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SMOGZINN

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I think a lot of it depends on how many of the Americans left behind are beheaded on tv.
I've also seen several reports saying Biden was just following Trumps plan. I think that's a major mistake. It comes across as weak and foolish. Joe owns this fiasco, he needs to oversee fixing it.
I doubt even that would matter. In a few weeks the major takeaway from this is going to be the feel good stories about American solders who are being reunited with their family after coming home from Afghanistan. Then we will hear the stories about how the average American solder is happy that we are no longer over there. By Christmas the way we got out will be completely overshadowed by how glad we are to be out. Whatever the Taliban does will just be seen as evidence we were right to get out. They are going to say, see after 20 years we didn't change anything would another 20 have made any difference? Why those people are still there won't be the story.
 

Jaskalas

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Uh, he is fixing it. In consultation with the NSC, State and the Joint Chiefs, we are moving 6,000 solders in, air transport and air combat assets to get as many personnel out as is possible and is doing everything he can to cut the red tape on the SIVs. What else do you want?

Sure, they plan to hold the airport until September. There remain tens of thousands trapped behind enemy lines. None of this addresses that.

US troops fire shots into the air and use teargas on desperate crowds as chaos at Kabul airport enters fifth day: Taliban block Westerners from reaching flights and Afghan mothers give their BABIES to soldiers
  • Westerners and Afghan visa holders are facing fresh hell at Kabul airport today as they try to flee Afghanistan
  • Ex-pats say they cannot reach checkpoints to get into the airfield because 'terrified locals' are blocking them
  • Britons, Norwegians, Australians, and Canadians all said their way out of the country was blocked by crowds of Afghan refugees and Taliban guards who dished out beatings and whippings seemingly at random
  • Paul Farthing, a British ex-Marine, said getting a flight is a 'lottery' and rubbished claims that the Taliban are letting people through checkpoints - saying he cannot even get to the checkpoint
  • Flights are leaving the airport today, UK and US officials insisted, with more than 2,000 people due to fly out

This situation will be defined by what the Taliban decide to do with their thousands of American and foreign prisoners. A result of complete incompetence in intelligence and planning. They could be merciful and it turns out to be a lot of nothing. Or September 11th could be celebrated with mass beheadings. Or anything in-between. Regardless, the lives of many NATO citizens are in the hands of the Taliban.
 

woolfe9998

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I doubt even that would matter. In a few weeks the major takeaway from this is going to be the feel good stories about American solders who are being reunited with their family after coming home from Afghanistan. Then we will hear the stories about how the average American solder is happy that we are no longer over there. By Christmas the way we got out will be completely overshadowed by how glad we are to be out. Whatever the Taliban does will just be seen as evidence we were right to get out. They are going to say, see after 20 years we didn't change anything would another 20 have made any difference? Why those people are still there won't be the story.

That will depend on the final result. If Americans end up dying there, it's going to be harder to shake. If not, then your prediction is likely accurate.
 

K1052

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Sure, they plan to hold the airport until September. There remain tens of thousands trapped behind enemy lines. None of this addresses that.

US troops fire shots into the air and use teargas on desperate crowds as chaos at Kabul airport enters fifth day: Taliban block Westerners from reaching flights and Afghan mothers give their BABIES to soldiers
  • Westerners and Afghan visa holders are facing fresh hell at Kabul airport today as they try to flee Afghanistan
  • Ex-pats say they cannot reach checkpoints to get into the airfield because 'terrified locals' are blocking them
  • Britons, Norwegians, Australians, and Canadians all said their way out of the country was blocked by crowds of Afghan refugees and Taliban guards who dished out beatings and whippings seemingly at random
  • Paul Farthing, a British ex-Marine, said getting a flight is a 'lottery' and rubbished claims that the Taliban are letting people through checkpoints - saying he cannot even get to the checkpoint
  • Flights are leaving the airport today, UK and US officials insisted, with more than 2,000 people due to fly out

This situation will be defined by what the Taliban decide to do with their thousands of American and foreign prisoners. A result of complete incompetence in intelligence and planning. They could be merciful and it turns out to be a lot of nothing. Or September 11th could be celebrated with mass beheadings. Or anything in-between. Regardless, the lives of many NATO citizens are in the hands of the Taliban.

The military says it has airlifted 7k people so far, a mix of US citizens and Afghans. People are getting out. The problem seems to be Afghan refugees mobbing the airport in hopes of getting out (understandable) and the Taliban trying to keep them from trying. Created some chaos at the airport gates. Allies are probably still short manpower to process.
 
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Panino Manino

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HomerJS

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Pretty tough for fucking the incompetent and senile Biden to pull out of Afghanistan when there's still @ 15,000 Americans that he left behind enemy lines. The collapse of the Democratic party has stunned everyone.

Coming from the party calling the worst pandemic in 100 years a hoax and suggested to the public ingest bleach methinks your pronouncement of the Democratic Party is a bit premature.
 
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woolfe9998

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Hard to say what will happen there in the long run. Just saw a commentator point out that Afghanistan's entire state budget has been made up of contributions from the US and US allies. All of that budget is going away. Since they have no system for collecting taxes, opium revenues will be all the government has to work with.

Which will cause chaos and misery. Maybe the Taliban gets overthrown. Maybe they moderate their stances and ask for international aid. Maybe there will be a huge humanitarian catastrophe.
 

UNCjigga

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I don't always agree with Matt Yglesias but this hits the bullseye re: media coverage of this



Ding ding ding winnar. There is intense media bias apparent in coverage of the withdrawal because so many of these reporters were embedded with Afghan units, used Afghan interpreters or otherwise developed Afghan sources who are now threatened.

That’s not to say mistakes weren’t made or that Americans aren’t angry at how this played out (certainly wounded pride for most of us and real anger for the armed forces who actually served with Afghans). Biden needs to do a better job of communicating “how we are protecting Americans/allies going forward” vs. his fallback straw man to “pulling out was the right decision”.

I do find it hilarious that when there is obvious lefty media bias in a story that portrays a Democrat in a negative way, right wing radicals aren’t pointing it out. They’re just falling for it hook, line and sinker.
 
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emperus

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Jus heard Gen. Patreus on the news. He was trying to argue that the Afghan troops didn't really abandon us but were disheartened because we said we were leaving. He further argued that our position was sustainable since there weren't any deaths in the last 18 months. Hmmm... I read a post from someone who said be weary of anyone making the argument there haven't been any deaths recently, because we had a cease fire with the Taliban and anyone in the know should know that. Our Military leaders can't be trusted.
 
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