Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

pauldun170

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"So for those who say we should stay for another year or another two, they have to look clearly at just how much we have invested over the last 20 years and just how much the world has changed in those 20 years," Coons said.
"The several trillion dollars that we poured into the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, our now competitor China has instead poured into rebuilding and modernizing their armed forces, into being our peer competitor in manufacturing and innovation," he added.
The source familiar with Biden's thinking said, "We know that China would like nothing more than to see the US fighting over every last hill in Kandahar."

Let see if we finally leave. I'm sure the Republicans are prepping all of their BS talking points and every dumbass is going to pull the "Politicians kept us from WINNING!!! Derpa vietnam derpa derpa"
 

Ajay

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About time. We lost the initiative when we pulled out troops to go fight in Iraq. Finally, and end to this money pit that wasn't ever worth the lives of the soldiers who died fighting there. Graveyard of empires indeed. I seriously doubt the republicans can or will stop this. Biden's mind is made up.
 

zinfamous

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poured trillions in dollars and thousands of American lives, Hundreds of thousands in Iraqi and Afghanistan lives, to go kill a handful of rightwing terrorists, all the while we've been breeding and encouraging tens of thousands of our own homegrown rightwing jihadi terrorists to both tear the US apart...and oh, elect them to federal office.

what an era.
 

Ajay

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I remember when Bush, Obama, and Trump said we were going to bring our troops home from Afghanistan. We'll see. The war profiteers are still making money.
That well is running dry anyway. Time to drive up the need for more arms to counter the Chinese Navy - we must need at least two new carrier strike groups by now...wink wink.
 

CaptainGoodnight

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The war profiteers are still making money.
I work in the defense industry, it was not a boon as it was made out to be. It's actually been a drain on at least the traditional defense industry considering we have been fighting a low tech adversary. The industry is more than happy to see that money not sucked away.
 

fskimospy

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Leningrad Lindsey:
"President Biden will have, in essence, canceled an insurance policy against another 9/11."
I would be interested to know if someone like our good friend Lindsay has articulated what they want to get out of staying in Afghanistan. I’m completely serious.

I don’t see any indication he thinks we can win, it sounds like he is saying we should deploy our military in Afghanistan indefinitely as some sort of antiterror measure. If that’s the case though I would like them to make that argument. Come out and say ‘we plan on fighting there forever because we think that’s the best plan for America.’ Let’s see how that goes over.
 
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Thump553

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Afghanistan was the one major point of disagreement between Obama and Biden,. Biden was always the leading voice within the Obama Administration o pull out, especially after OBL was eliminated. Obama felt the long term consequences of pulling out would be worse than staying in. Time will tell.
 

ewdotson

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I work in the defense industry, it was not a boon as it was made out to be. It's actually been a drain on at least the traditional defense industry considering we have been fighting a low tech adversary. The industry is more than happy to see that money not sucked away.
Yup. I'm sure there are some parts of the defense industry it's been good for, but I can confirm there are at least large segments for which it really hasn't.
 

nickqt

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I would be interested to know if someone like our good friend Lindsay has articulated what they want to get out of staying in Afghanistan. I’m completely serious.

I don’t see any indication he thinks we can win, it sounds like he is saying we should deploy our military in Afghanistan indefinitely as some sort of antiterror measure. If that’s the case though I would like them to make that argument. Come out and say ‘we plan on fighting there forever because we think that’s the best plan for America.’ Let’s see how that goes over.
Lindsey is a Republican, so he wants more dead Americans.
 
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I love how you make this shit hilariously partisan.

As if going through 8 years of a black democrat isn't at all notable to the fact that the military industrial complex doesn't give a flying fuck who is in office.
 
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Vic

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I love how you make this shit hilariously partisan.

As if going through 8 years of a black democrat isn't at all notable to the fact that the military industrial complex doesn't give a flying fuck who is in office.

Lol.. sucks to be wrong about everything, doesn't it?
 

rommelrommel

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That well is running dry anyway. Time to drive up the need for more arms to counter the Chinese Navy - we must need at least two new carrier strike groups by now...wink wink.

They could always refuel the Nimitz class and keep procuring Ford class carriers, but for now the big push is Columbia class, Virginia class, and before long the SSN(X) plus more Arleigh Burkes, and whatever the hell they're doing for littoral warfare. Lack of dry dock and skilled labour is more of a crimp than the budget, don’t worry.

Oh, and the F35C needs replaced soon too.
 
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Boy oh boy has this lovely gem now stood the test of time?



And even the liberal media is gobbling up dat sweet sweet military industrial complex messages.

Won't someone THINK OF THE WOMEN?! You wouldn't want to hurt women would you? Because thats what would happen if you withdraw your military, women will suffer!




But don't worry guys! The white house has already released their pentagon military budget to once again record levels.You guys understand, right?
 
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Boy oh boy has this lovely gem now stood the test of time?



And even the liberal media is gobbling up dat sweet sweet military industrial complex messages.

Won't someone THINK OF THE WOMEN?! You wouldn't want to hurt women would you? Because thats what would happen if you withdraw your military, women will suffer!




But don't worry guys! The white house has already released their pentagon military budget to once again record levels.You guys understand, right?
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you do understand it is not 2012 and Obama is not President right?
 
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