why bush?

[WeiWei]

I'm not an American and I too am puzzled as how Bush won..

My conclusion was,

Bush won not because he is good, but because Kerry is not that good.

 

[Ornery]

It's all about the issues, WeeWee!

 

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Since I'm a Libertarian, I want as little involvement by the government as possible. Social Security is the most fubared, yet perfect example of a federal social program ever. Never should have been started, yet now we're stuck with it. Sooner we can phase it out, the better. No thanks to federally controlled health care as well, especially if you're expecting "the rich" and employers to fund the whole damn thing.

Which party is most likely to put more funding into "National Security"? Simple, no?

Libertarian, eh? My brother is a libertarian. Did you vote Libertarian?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Yea we have to remember that Clinton won twice in a row before Bush and that Gore actually did beat Bush in 2000. What happened was a combination of Kerry being an incredibly crappy candidate and Rove masterfully dividing the electorate to benefit Bush in the key swing states.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Gore actually did beat Bush in 2000.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You just can't give it up can you?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: eakers
As a non american, I thought that after the last four years there was no way Bush would be re-elected. I am not sure why I thought this way, perhaps because all the americans I know are young liberal people like me , perhaps because I watch the daily show or maybe because I just come from a more liberal country.

In all seriousness, why did you vote bush? I don't understand.

Honest question Eakers...

I did not vote for Kerry for the following reasons:

1.) His military record really bothered me, there are ~100 pages that were never released, his honorable discharge is dated 6 years after his discharge, it's on his website with no explanation of the date discrepancies.
2.) His conduct after returning home after his 4 months in Vietnam with 3 purple hearts (none of which required even a single stitch) was traiterous. The guy made home movies of reenactments of battles in Vietnam for use later in his political career, during the whole 4 months he was in Vietnam, testified before congress about war crimes, met with the enemy in Paris, and unwittingly or complicitly assisted them in undermining our war effort.
3.) He was a liberal lawyer from back East that couldn't connect on a personal level with members of his own party.
4.) The Democrats tried to keep the anarchist democrat faction involved in the party, mobs, protests, etc, the older among us still remember the protests during Vietnam conflict, it just brought back really bad feelings for me.
5.) The message of the Democrats was we'll do everything the Republicans are doing, but we'll do it faster & better. (no message, they allowed the Republicans to make the rules)
6.) The gay marriage issue motivated many voters in the 13 states where it was on the ballot.
7.) Kerry would have been the 2nd Catholic president, only the Catholics didn't vote for him, for several reasons, the gay marriage issue, pro choice stance, national security, etc. JFK has near diety status with many US Catholics, Kerry really blew the Catholic vote.
8.) His anti gun voting history in congress really bothered me, you just don't fvck with US citizens & gun ownership, especially after 9-11.
9.) In short, he should have won, but he was the wrong candidate from the begining, he had too much baggage, and he didn't have the charisma of Clinton.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: CBone

Libertarian, eh? My brother is a libertarian. Did you vote Libertarian?

Hell no! I voted on issues that I actually want addressed! I part company with the GOP on a few issues, but not nearly as many as the Dems.

 

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: eakers
As a non american, I thought that after the last four years there was no way Bush would be re-elected. I am not sure why I thought this way, perhaps because all the americans I know are young liberal people like me , perhaps because I watch the daily show or maybe because I just come from a more liberal country.

In all seriousness, why did you vote bush? I don't understand.

Honest question Eakers...

I did not vote for Kerry for the following reasons:

1.) His military record really bothered me, there are ~100 pages that were never released, his honorable discharge is dated 6 years after his discharge, it's on his website with no explanation of the date discrepancies.
2.) His conduct after returning home after his 4 months in Vietnam with 3 purple hearts (none of which required even a single stitch) was traiterous. The guy made home movies of reenactments of battles in Vietnam for use later in his political career, during the whole 4 months he was in Vietnam, testified before congress about war crimes, met with the enemy in Paris, and unwittingly or complicitly assisted them in undermining our war effort.

Were you really going to look through all of his military record? Why should he have to explain the dating on his military record? Who cares that much? I'm not in the military, but I do work for the gov't and there are periods of my work history that I can't put on resumes for security reasons. These things happen.

Where are you getting this information that none of his injuries required stitches? Can you provide some specific information or sources before describing someone as a traitor?

 

[cmdavid]

because you get biased information.. bottom line...

 

[Red Dawn]

Well despite him being a lying deceiving thick tongued muddle minded hand puppet he is a Christian. That's all the matter for those in the Rube states.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Emveach

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: eakers
As a non american, I thought that after the last four years there was no way Bush would be re-elected. I am not sure why I thought this way, perhaps because all the americans I know are young liberal people like me , perhaps because I watch the daily show or maybe because I just come from a more liberal country.

In all seriousness, why did you vote bush? I don't understand.

Two words:

Evangelical Christians

I voted for Bush. I'm also an athesist. I also live in Ohio. I just happen to prefer lower taxes, growing economies, and making sure that anyone who has the possibility of making or aquiring any kind of bomb or weapon that could be used against me or my country is taken down.

As for the relegious influence Bush has, I look at it this way: Bush hears a voice in his head, and goes with it. Kerry hears the voice in his head, and questions it. I prefer anyone that doesn't argue with the voice in his head, and end up losing to it.

Hmm...lower taxes in a time of spiraling deficits and war. No other President has ever cut taxes when going to war.

And economy that isn't growing, well, unless you're a CEO or other corporate exec.

And, fighting terrorism isn't going to be won by invading countries that had nothing to do with the war on terror. Bush has succeeded in only creating more enemies.

As for hearing voices in one's head, actually listening to them is considered insanity. Or, do you think serial killers that listen to their voices in their head were steadfast and resolute and right to kill?

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: eakers
As a non american, I thought that after the last four years there was no way Bush would be re-elected. I am not sure why I thought this way, perhaps because all the americans I know are young liberal people like me , perhaps because I watch the daily show or maybe because I just come from a more liberal country.

In all seriousness, why did you vote bush? I don't understand.

Two words:

Evangelical Christians

Well thats just BS Just because someone votes for an admitted evangelical certainly doesn't make them one. I am relatively ambivalent on questions of religion and most the people i know who support Bush are as well. His religious views are definately not what got us to vote for him. Yes it is true he enjoy huge support among evangelicals just as Kerry enjoys huge support among the Urban minority populations. Bush was able to convince more of the rest of the people that don't fit those 2 groups he was the better man for the job simple as that. The way I see it conservatism needs to find a way to connect with the urban voters and minority voters if they wish to maintain their dominance. At the same time the Dems need to find a way to connect with more of the Evangelicals and Rural constituencies if they want to regain their former influence. After watch Pelosi rant after the election I don't see that happening anytime soon.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: eakers
In all seriousness, why did you vote bush? I don't understand.

I didn't and I honestly don't understand the 'vote Bush mentality'.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Well thats just BS Just because someone votes for an admitted evangelical certainly doesn't make them one. I am relatively ambivalent on questions of religion and most the people i know who support Bush are as well. His religious views are definately not what got us to vote for him. Yes it is true he enjoy huge support among evangelicals just as Kerry enjoys huge support among the Urban minority populations. Bush was able to convince more of the rest of the people that don't fit those 2 groups he was the better man for the job simple as that. The way I see it conservatism needs to find a way to connect with the urban voters and minority voters if they wish to maintain their dominance. At the same time the Dems need to find a way to connect with more of the Evangelicals and Rural constituencies if they want to regain their former influence. After watch Pelosi rant after the election I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Frankly I could never support a Political Party that whored itself out to the Evangelicals like the Republican party did.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: CBone

Were you really going to look through all of his military record? Why should he have to explain the dating on his military record? Who cares that much? I'm not in the military, but I do work for the gov't and there are periods of my work history that I can't put on resumes for security reasons. These things happen.

Where are you getting this information that none of his injuries required stitches? Can you provide some specific information or sources before describing someone as a traitor?

Hashed & rehashed to infinity.

She asked, I answered Eakers, not you.

Go pick a fight with someone that gives a sh1t.

 

[Neos]

Many have watched the slide of morality ...down, down, down. This country was founded on Judeo - Christian principles that were being taken away - bit by bit by the liberal elite. The masses were so enraptured by afluency in the US - the spiritual roots were being eroded a slice at at a time. They did not (many still do not) see this happening, but no more.

Kerry represents that elite who would cater to every group - no matter if the group was party to this moral slide. Eliteist ideas of compassion are upside down, and want to placate evil - rather than face it head on.

To sum it up - a spiritual awakening within this country brought folks to the polls to make a stand. Unless the Republican Party ignores them - they will continue to support Republicans in the future - and will grow in strength and numbers.

I think it is all in God's timing.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well despite him being a lying deceiving thick tongued muddle minded hand puppet he is a Christian. That's all the matter for those in the Rube states.

yup, those damn 4,403,495 californians

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well despite him being a lying deceiving thick tongued muddle minded hand puppet he is a Christian. That's all the matter for those in the Rube states.

Him being a Christian had zero to do with my vote. Kerry was a Christian as well...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well despite him being a lying deceiving thick tongued muddle minded hand puppet he is a Christian. That's all the matter for those in the Rube states.

Him being a Christian had zero to do with my vote. Kerry was a Christian as well...

You aren't from a swing state so your vote really didn't mean squat. Anys not all Bush supporters are Evanwhacko Fund A Mental Cases. I suppose a lot of them voted for the Dub because they didn't likr Kerry just like a lot of people who voted for Kerry just hated the Dub.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Neos
Many have watched the slide of morality ...down, down, down. This country was founded on Judeo - Christian principles that were being taken away - bit by bit by the liberal elite. The masses were so enraptured by afluency in the US - the spiritual roots were being eroded a slice at at a time. They did not (many still do not) see this happening, but no more.

Kerry represents that elite who would cater to every group - no matter if the group was party to this moral slide. Eliteist ideas of compassion are upside down, and want to placate evil - rather than face it head on.

To sum it up - a spiritual awakening within this country brought folks to the polls to make a stand. Unless the Republican Party ignores them - they will continue to support Republicans in the future - and will grow in strength and numbers.

I think it is all in God's timing.

What God had time to pull his head out of his ass to see WTF was going on in the US?

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Neos
Many have watched the slide of morality ...down, down, down. This country was founded on Judeo - Christian principles that were being taken away - bit by bit by the liberal elite. The masses were so enraptured by afluency in the US - the spiritual roots were being eroded a slice at at a time. They did not (many still do not) see this happening, but no more.

Kerry represents that elite who would cater to every group - no matter if the group was party to this moral slide. Eliteist ideas of compassion are upside down, and want to placate evil - rather than face it head on.

To sum it up - a spiritual awakening within this country brought folks to the polls to make a stand. Unless the Republican Party ignores them - they will continue to support Republicans in the future - and will grow in strength and numbers.

I think it is all in God's timing.

Which judeo-christian principles are you referring to, slavery?

My evangelical friends believe bush has integrity because he is 'pro-life' (atleast pro-life for things not born yet) and anti-gay. They do not gauge his deceptiveness, lack of honesty, and overall personal and political sleeze. Its those in the fundamental/evangelical bubble that ignore the facts and instead seeks to pacify their beliefs of their own righteousness by holding it as a standard for others. Its ignorant and self-serving in the least.

Whether one believes in bush's agenda, the application of it and of other policies must be taken into account. Evangelicals are too myopic for this challenge of thinking, and would rather the 700 club rhetoric do it for them (which btw, like the 700 club or not, its the exact same rhetoric).

If any christians believe in the value of integrity and morality, they would not vote for bush to represent this imo. Even any other honest conservative christian could do 10x better with more integrity than this heretic.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well despite him being a lying deceiving thick tongued muddle minded hand puppet he is a Christian. That's all the matter for those in the Rube states.

Him being a Christian had zero to do with my vote. Kerry was a Christian as well...

You aren't from a swing state so your vote really didn't mean squat. Anys not all Bush supporters are Evanwhacko Fund A Mental Cases. I suppose a lot of them voted for the Dub because they didn't likr Kerry just like a lot of people who voted for Kerry just hated the Dub.

I agree, I'm just saying that I think a majority of Bush supporters are not fundies. Some yes, not most though.

 

[Valvoline6]

I voted BUSH for lower taxes, no government healthcare, tort reform, some type of social security reform, ability to stand up for America against the EU and UN (like the kyoto treaty), traditional american values (note that is not religious values), and his tough stance on terror.

I voted for Bush mostly on domestic issues and to send the incredibly biased media a giant FU. I think much of America voted to send the media a big FU.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I voted BUSH for lower taxes, no government healthcare, tort reform, some type of social security reform, ability to stand up for America against the EU and UN (like the kyoto treaty), traditional american values (note that is not religious values), and his tough stance on terror.

I voted for Bush mostly on domestic issues and to send the incredibly biased media a giant FU. I think much of America voted to send the media a big FU.

Ah to cut your nose off to spite your face. "I'll show them, I'll fsck my country up just because I don't like Hollywwod"

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: eakers
As a non american, I thought that after the last four years there was no way Bush would be re-elected. I am not sure why I thought this way, perhaps because all the americans I know are young liberal people like me , perhaps because I watch the daily show or maybe because I just come from a more liberal country.

In all seriousness, why did you vote bush? I don't understand.

It's because you're Canadian and most canadians simply cannot comprehend anything non-liberal. It's not that they don't try sometimes, but it's as if there is a physical barrier preventing empathy with anything republican. Everything is so black and white for canadians: democrats = good, republicans = bad. I suppose it's because to many people republicans represent the "aggressive US", and we already know that many canadians don't like the US as it is, so repubs represent the zenith of what canadians hate about the US.

But, in short, why bush? Because kerry was a joke. The democrats could have won the election with a reasonable leader, and Kerry was a farce. Moreoever, i think that celebrities and people like michael moore are so far left that people have a real dislike for these buffoons and want to avoid anything to do with them. There are people here in the forums (I won't name names) who are so partisan and utterly hateful of anything republican that they, and those like them throughout the country, contribute to the swelling of the republican ranks. Although they hate the christian right, they are at least as zealot-like with their own rhetoric, and fail to appreciate that both sides have their good sides. Cooler heads don't want to associate with such polarized irrationality. Those are a couple of reasons, though one could go on all night. Not like bush is perfect either; the election was the perceived lesser of two evils. Personally I am glad that Bush won - in part because, like giving table scraps to a dog, if Kerry had won it would only encourage some of the liberal idiots here and elsewhere; in essence, this was good for them. They sit here incredulous at how their almighty party could lose and the evil, useless, pathetic right could win.