Why buy budget ram I bought this.

[Trikat]

Originally posted by: user1234

Originally posted by: Trikat

Originally posted by: user1234
yeah, the OP is a moron, but just a note for overclockers, this hyperx is not overclockable, and indeed it's not the superfast 2-2-2-5 tccd memory, but rather it's 2.5-3-3-7 ch5 which is not that fast, and not overclockable at all. You can tell by the product number - if it ends with 3200 or 3200A, then it's the slow hyperx (like here). The good one ends with 3200UL. If you're running stock 400 mhz. then it's ok, but you can probably find 2.5 CL modules for cheaper.

You guys can ignore the person above. I have no clue what he is talking about. The advertised specs are 400MHz (PC3200) 2-3-2-6-1 (CAS Latency 2).
Maybe he is talking about value ram or something. Makes him the moron right?

It's 2-3-2-6 only at DDR333. It's 2.5.-3-3-6 at DDR400. I know because I bought it from outpost. [that is, trikat==moron]

Well that sucks for you. Your ram didn't go at advertised specs. I would recommend u to take advantage of the warranty moron.
If they advertised it at 2-3-2 cas 2 then it should go at that speed. Heck a lot of people are getting lower timings than your defective ram. Read around. The internet is a free source for information.
Also maybe your motherboard sucks and won't go at lower timings. Could it also be you left it on auto detect? Seeing that you are a "golden member" I am assuming the facts are ur ram are defective or ur motherboard sucks.
My Mobo sucks and auto detects the ram at 2.5 3-3-3. I'm pretty sure it can get lower timings if I wanted to OC, but I only used my friends hyperx to test. My mobo is having trouble and I wanted to see if ram was the fault. He gets low settings, but ofcourse not up to par with OCZ, Ballistix, Corsair etc.

Wow i'm rambling my bad.

 

[Slaimus]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
The same model number in NewEgg is:
http://www.newegg.com/app/view...=20-144-126&depa=0

Outpost: Model #KHX3200K2/1GR
NewEgg: Model# KHX3200K2/1G

Does the R at the end make any difference?

I'm just looking for any Samsung TCCD Ram (Socket 939 + TCCD -> Good overclock).

-TPG

"R" eh? This may be those refurbs again.

 

[steveox]

i bought this RAM from outpost a couple months ago and cpu-z shows it running at 2-2-2-6 ... is that right ?

 

[user1234]

Originally posted by: RideFree
Sez in the spec sheet that it'll do CAS 2.0 at 217Mhz...it'll probably do the 2-3-2-6-1 with the proper application of 2.8 v in the BIOS.
The very least I would expect from this RAM is 2-3-3-7-1 CAS Latency 2 @ 434.
Kapish ?

oh, really, where exactly does the spec sheet says that ? or maybe you can't read and/or understand it, and maybe you thought the 2.6V means 217 or something, but in any case it doesn't says anything like that on the spec sheet. And for almost everyone it is being detected as 2.5 at DDR400, even though you may be able to force it to do 2, the SPD at DDR400 is set to 2.5, if you don't believe it, load up a utility which shows the SPD of RAM (like CPU-Z) and you'll see. This RAM is a sham.

 

[racebannon]

Check Slaimus' link, many people where unhappy with Outpost's earlier deal for 1 stick back in December. The RAM didn't run at rated speeds, it was advertised as HyperX but spected like Valueram.

Sometimes a shiny blue heatsink is just a shiny blue heatsink.

 

[freshspace]

What da fvck, why is User1234 calling the OP a moron? That's not cool. OP is a newer member just trying to share what he believes is a hot deal. Nitro28, welcome to AT.

I thought it was common knowledge that these KHXs can do 2-2-2-5 at 2.7v. Just google for the reviews. I have 1gig of KHX 3500 (the ones that just end with 3500), and I can do 2-2-2-5 to 217, 2.5-3-3-8 to 223, and 2-4-4-9 to 225 (all done at 2.7v). I haven't tried anything above that. I read it somewhere that these KHX modules have some compatibility issues with nforce2 ultra 400 boards running in dual channel. I have a Soltek board with the chipset running dual channel of these guys. If these chips give me these results even when there are compatibility problems, I think they may give me more in boards that have no compatibility issues. I think these are good rams, not the best, but still very good rams.

 

[user1234]

Yes, I googled for the reviews but there are many different models, like 3200, 3200A, and 3200UL (which is the good stuff), and then 3500, 4000, etc. All the other name brand manufacturers have only two or three different lines of products, but in Kingston case, the split it into many products, and because people tend to be more agreeable to pay more for high end, they still call their low end stuff hyperX. It is strange why would something rated 2-3-2-6 come with default speed of 2.5-3-3-7 ? What would you do if your 3.2 ghz pentium 4 machine actually arrived clocked at 2.4 ? If you don't believe that is the reality based on my experience, look at customer review at newegg, for example:

"This RAM is listed as CAS latency 2. This is a blatant lie. It autos at 2.5 and if I set it manually (at any voltage) my rig won't even boot. I build alot of computers and I'm never buying Kingston again."

"It runs at 2-3-2-6 absolutely fine on my computer. It does auto at 2.5 and higher on other ratings, but that doesnt mean anything. You may need to increase the voltage to it. I don't have any problems though."


And the strange thing is that Kingston has a Value Ram PC3200 model (KVR400X64C25/512 ) with the exact same default timings (CAS 2.5). But they also have a CAS3 value ram. So maybe they had a smart idea - why don't we put the blue heat speader on the CAS 2.5 value ram, and call it a hyperX (with a price to match) ? briliant !

 

[user1234]

Originally posted by: sparkie34

Originally posted by: user1234
it doesn't say it's 2-3-2-6 at ddr400. As I said, I have the KHX3200A model and the SPD setting of the module (which is used by the bios to set the default timings) is 2-3-2-6 only below DDR400 and 2.5-3-3-6 at or above DDR400. Go ahead ask anyone or just buy it and you'll see - the default at DDR400 is CL2.5. Kapish ?

I've had four sticks of this ram from outpost and everyone boots at 2-3-2-6 at DDR400. It shows it right on the spec sheet so why are your argueing?

You are LYING to the people here. Either that or you don't know what you're doing. Look, RAM modules have a SPD table which is what the BIOS uses to set its default speed. This is the same as processors which also have internal setting to indicate to the bios what is the default. Of course, you can run the memory above spec, but that is usually a hit-and-miss, depends on luck and is not guaranteed to work. Get it straight once and for all: If you set the timings to AUTO, by default this ram will boot up at 2.5-3-3-7 at 2.6V. Before continuing to argue and mislead people, download cpu-z and look at the memory timings, default and actual. If it still says 2-3-2-6 by default, then post your screenshot. Otherwise, begone with your misinformation.

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Screw this. Too much controversy. I'm going with the newegg ones.

 

[RideFree]

oh, really, where exactly does the spec sheet says that ? or maybe you can't read and/or understand it, and maybe you thought the 2.6V means 217 or something, but in any case it doesn't says anything like that on the spec sheet.

spec sheet

Of course, I'm dumber than hell, as I kind of figured it out to scroll to the bottom of the page!
If you bother to do the same, maybe you too will see the ? SPEC PAGE!!!!

A note to platinum:
Yes, you can't go wrong with Newegg. They are the standard by which all others get judged.

 

[RideFree]

Advice to Sparkie34...
Even though dumb and dumber1234 called you a liar, just let the little dogs bark.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: user1234

Originally posted by: sparkie34

Originally posted by: user1234
it doesn't say it's 2-3-2-6 at ddr400. As I said, I have the KHX3200A model and the SPD setting of the module (which is used by the bios to set the default timings) is 2-3-2-6 only below DDR400 and 2.5-3-3-6 at or above DDR400. Go ahead ask anyone or just buy it and you'll see - the default at DDR400 is CL2.5. Kapish ?

I've had four sticks of this ram from outpost and everyone boots at 2-3-2-6 at DDR400. It shows it right on the spec sheet so why are your argueing?

You are LYING to the people here. Either that or you don't know what you're doing. Look, RAM modules have a SPD table which is what the BIOS uses to set its default speed. This is the same as processors which also have internal setting to indicate to the bios what is the default. Of course, you can run the memory above spec, but that is usually a hit-and-miss, depends on luck and is not guaranteed to work. Get it straight once and for all: If you set the timings to AUTO, by default this ram will boot up at 2.5-3-3-7 at 2.6V. Before continuing to argue and mislead people, download cpu-z and look at the memory timings, default and actual. If it still says 2-3-2-6 by default, then post your screenshot. Otherwise, begone with your misinformation.

Ask him for a screenshot of CPU-Z showing the SPD, instead of calling him a liar. I'm getting real tired of your attitude. Grow up.

 

[Trikat]

The chips under the Blue Shiny Heatsinks are most likely better than Value Ram stuff.
Atleast they can go CAS 2 2-3-2 when set.
I tried to OC my Value Ram to CAS 2 and the motherboard won't accept it. OC failed it says. So value rams have to go at 2.5 3-3-3 and no less for 90% + people.

I have to agree these kind of rams (HyperX top of the line stuff right?) should auto detect at CAS 2 2-3-2, however; look at the price and then look at the price of some of the better: HyperX, Corsair, Mushkin, Ballistixs, and OCZ. There is quite a big difference.
If I could get a CPU that would be auto detected at below advertised speeds and a much MUCH lower price, but an overclock would go at advertised speeds, I would get that CPU. Hehehe.

 

[CHiN0]

Correct me if Im wrong but isnt KHX3200K2 the BH5 ram and KHX3200AK2 is Micron or something? I have 1gig of the the KHX3200K2 that I bought last year and its definitely BH5!!!

 

[eljaye925]

I have a kit of Hyper-X KHX3500K2/1G that was manufactured in week 37 of 2003. I have no idea what chips they are. I remember I bought these because they where spec'd CAS 2 and that they would hopefully still be viable in a future build. The board they were in had very little OC ability (Intel 845PEBT2) and was only rated at PC2700, so I never bothered to very speeds.

I just built my second computer, a MSI Neo 2, and installed this ram. I'm hoping to due some mild OCing in the future, hence this post.

The spec sheet for this ram claims: 2-3-3-7

The SPD shows: 2-3-3-8 @ 200 and 2.5-4-4-9 @ 217

I dont have any idea if and how well this RAM OC's, but when I first looked at the SPD timings I was a bit confused. Actualy still am. I would think the SPD should show 2-3-3-7 @ 217.

FWIW

 

[chroniX]

Guys, I think you are both right...from some reviews I read, theres a little catch...

If you going to use this memory in an Intel setup, it will do the advertised ratings just fine.

If you are going to put this in an AMD setup (K8 in particular), it will be around 2.5.

Again, I do not have this ram, I'm just putting out some info I've heard... prior to this, I didnt even know that CAS speeds of the same module would vary on different platforms.

Perhaps everyone who owns this RAM can post what PC they will be using it (Intel/AMD) and what timings its running at?

For Intel guys, I'd just buy it, for $139 it will be a great deal...AMD guys, I'd hold back until we get a definitive answer if it works at rated speeds

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: chroniX
Guys, I think you are both right...from some reviews I read, theres a little catch...

If you going to use this memory in an Intel setup, it will do the advertised ratings just fine.

If you are going to put this in an AMD setup (K8 in particular), it will be around 2.5.

Again, I do not have this ram, I'm just putting out some info I've heard... prior to this, I didnt even know that CAS speeds of the same module would vary on different platforms.

Perhaps everyone who owns this RAM can post what PC they will be using it (Intel/AMD) and what timings its running at?

For Intel guys, I'd just buy it, for $139 it will be a great deal...AMD guys, I'd hold back until we get a definitive answer if it works at rated speeds

I bought this about a month ago for my AMD64, socket 754 (no DC) Soltek board. It did post at cas 2.5 but it runs fine at cas 2 (for me) with default voltage. I've yet to up the voltage or try any large overclock or to tighten up the timings at this point. The spd table DOES list cas2.5 @200 under cpuid, but the ram I replaced was BT pc3200 BH-5 that didn't even show ddr400 speeds by any program. (performance was as advertised so I assume it was programed wrong, something Kingston usually doesn't do)

As CHiN0 mentioned, this isn't BH-5 and certainly isn't going to have super high end performance. I still consider it a great deal at this price though, even with any rebate issues. I'll gladly post my results as I test it out in the future if anyone would like some firsthand info with this ram and an AMD setup. (not in hot deals though as this thread has gone a bit off-track)

 

[xtagenesis]

after tax and shipping, it comes out to 180 bucks.. sure, i'll get 20 back, but even 160 seems steep.. i guess thats cuz i live in TX and they charge shipping to TX.. pffft..

In you guys opinions.. is this worth it?

 

[user1234]

Don't forget the ram prices are set for a 50% frop by the middle of the year, buying now is like buying the stock market at its peak

 

[xtagenesis]

yeah, but i'm building a new system now, not in the middle of the year.. so i guess i'm stuck between a rock and a hard spot huh?

 

[racebannon]

In the short term, memory prices have been dropping since fall. If you think the economy is very robust, buy now. If you think it is flat, wait.

5-6 years ago 128mb stick ran $75. 3 years ago 256mb ran $75. Now you can get $512mb for roughly the same pricepoint. Its nearly always better to wait.

 

[freshspace]

Alright, so much controversy here..., nice and juicy. I wanted to find out what my timing was with 2 x 512 khx3500 at default. I rebooted my computer with the auto, optimal setting, and I get 2-3-3-8 at 2.5v. I am running dual channel with xp-m 2600 in a Soltek nf2 400 ultra board. I am running them right now at 217 fsb, 2-3-3-7 at 2.6v. I am overclocking the system - 11.5x 217 (2.5gig) at 1.725vcore at 1.6vdd. I got these sticks about 2 years ago from bb at $120 each. So I think this deal that started this thread is a good deal.

 

[freshspace]

If you are absolutely serious about saving every penny by following the dram prices, check the prices here

http://www.dramexchange.com/default.asp

 

[freshspace]

But, seriously, the best time to get the stuff is when you need it.

 

[Lanyap]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
The same model number in NewEgg is:
http://www.newegg.com/app/view...=20-144-126&depa=0

Outpost: Model #KHX3200K2/1GR
NewEgg: Model# KHX3200K2/1G

Does the R at the end make any difference?

I'm just looking for any Samsung TCCD Ram (Socket 939 + TCCD -> Good overclock).

-TPG

R normally represents Retail box for Kingston RAM. The RAM is in a plastic case which is in a cardboard box. Non-retail / OEM is packaged in just the plastic case. You might find some Retail in just the plastic case. Confusing, huh. Just like this thread.