Why can you order steak rare and not hamburger rare?

minendo

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Steak has less surface area possible of acquiring bacterial infection. Since hamburger is chopped the microorganisms are dispersed and provided with more surface area for growth.
 

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Originally posted by: minendo
Steak has less surface area possible of acquiring bacterial infection. Since hamburger is chopped the microorganisms are dispersed and provided with more surface area for growth.

 

Cougar

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Originally posted by: minendo
Steak has less surface area possible of acquiring bacterial infection. Since hamburger is chopped the microorganisms are dispersed and provided with more surface area for growth.

what he said.
 

waggy

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actually i have seen a few places that offer hamburger med/rare.
 

Amorphus

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Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by: minendo
Steak has less surface area possible of acquiring bacterial infection. Since hamburger is chopped the microorganisms are dispersed and provided with more surface area for growth.

what he said.

so? you can still get that watchamacallit stuff... raw ground beef.

you can get hamburgers rare, I've done it before - but you're not going to have that option unless you go to a classy restaurant. plus, hamburger patties rare don't hold together well, its more like a sloppy joe, except without the sauce.
 

minendo

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Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by: minendo
Steak has less surface area possible of acquiring bacterial infection. Since hamburger is chopped the microorganisms are dispersed and provided with more surface area for growth.

what he said.

so? you can still get that watchamacallit stuff... raw ground beef.

you can get hamburgers rare, I've done it before - but you're not going to have that option unless you go to a classy restaurant. plus, hamburger patties rare don't hold together well, its more like a sloppy joe, except without the sauce.
As stated above, very few places risk serving rare, medium rare, or medium hamburgers now-a-days as the risk for E. coli is too high.

 

Amused

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Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by: minendo
Steak has less surface area possible of acquiring bacterial infection. Since hamburger is chopped the microorganisms are dispersed and provided with more surface area for growth.

what he said.

so? you can still get that watchamacallit stuff... raw ground beef.

you can get hamburgers rare, I've done it before - but you're not going to have that option unless you go to a classy restaurant. plus, hamburger patties rare don't hold together well, its more like a sloppy joe, except without the sauce.
As stated above, very few places risk serving rare, medium rare, or medium hamburgers now-a-days as the risk for E. coli is too high.

You know, I grew up on medium, and medium-rare hamburgers, so did my parents and never ONCE did I or anyone in my family have E. coli poisoning.

I'd say the fear is more hype than reality. My whole family still cooks our burgers medium. My Mom still likes them medium rare.

As a matter of fact, I have been sick from chicken, ham, and cold cuts, but never once from beef.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying it's far more rare then it's made out to be, and E. coli is nothing new.
 

compudog

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I can't eat rare or even pink ground beef, now steak is a different matter. Minendo has the facts!
 

minendo

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Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I grew up on medium, and medium-rare hamburgers, so did my parents and never ONCE did I or anyone in my family have E. coli poisoning.

I'd say the fear is more hype than reality. My whole family still cooks our burgers medium. My Mom still likes them medium rare.

As a matter of fact, I have been sick from chicken, ham, and cold cuts, but never once from beef.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying it's far more rare then it's made out to be, and E. coli is nothing new.
As long as the center of the beef reaches at least 160F, you have no worries.

 

minendo

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Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I grew up on medium, and medium-rare hamburgers, so did my parents and never ONCE did I or anyone in my family have E. coli poisoning.

I'd say the fear is more hype than reality. My whole family still cooks our burgers medium. My Mom still likes them medium rare.

As a matter of fact, I have been sick from chicken, ham, and cold cuts, but never once from beef.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying it's far more rare then it's made out to be, and E. coli is nothing new.
As long as the center of the beef reaches at least 160F, you have no worries.

 

piku

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I love my meat on the rare side. One of the benefits of ordering meat directly from a slaughterhouse is you don?t have to then worry about eating it rare
 

NeoPTLD

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Simple.

Steak=bacteria inside the flesh=minimal. Surface bacteria is eliminated by cooking the surface.

ground beef=bacteria from surface is mangled into every part of the meat, therefore, the whole thing needs to be cooked to 160F.
 

SagaLore

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Only the outer surface of the steak needs to be "sanitized" since it has been exposed to bacteria. Every little fine piece of hamburger has been exposed, making it a breeding ground for harmful bacteria. If you don't cook it all the way through you can get major sick.
 

GoodRevrnd

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Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by: minendo
Steak has less surface area possible of acquiring bacterial infection. Since hamburger is chopped the microorganisms are dispersed and provided with more surface area for growth.

what he said.

so? you can still get that watchamacallit stuff... raw ground beef.

you can get hamburgers rare, I've done it before - but you're not going to have that option unless you go to a classy restaurant. plus, hamburger patties rare don't hold together well, its more like a sloppy joe, except without the sauce.
Kibbeh, I think? But that's raw lamb...
 

DT4K

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Plus, steaks come from one source, so there is less chance of a widespread outbreak.
One ground beef patty could have come from a number of different batches.

Red Robin asks how you want your burger done.
Though the idea of a rare hamburger has never appealed to me.

Steak on the other hand has to be pink to be good.
 

mjquilly

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you city folk have been sissified!!! come on out to the midwest and we'll cook ya up some raw'ins!!! (actually, I prefer med-rare )
 

Conky

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I love a nice rare steak.

And I used to like eating hamburger fairly rare until a friend of mine got sick from E.Coli-tainted hamburger... he ended up in the hospital for over 2 weeks, lost about 50 lbs and he was very lean to begin with, and it almost killed him. So now, I only eat well-cooked hamburger. There is no telling what they grind into hamburger. :disgust:
 
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