TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES ? A former New Mexico State Parks ranger has been sentenced to five years' probation and one year of house arrest in the fatal shooting of a man in a dispute over a campsite fee at Elephant Butte State Park.
State District Judge Kevin Sweazea on Wednesday ordered Clyde Woods to wear an electronic ankle monitoring bracelet for a year before serving probation.
Woods pleaded guilty in March to voluntary manslaughter in the August 2005 death of Bruce Teschner, 58. Teschner - who according to testimony was drunk and had a history of mental illness - refused to pay a $14-a-night camping fee and refused to leave the park.
Woods said he acted in self-defense. He said Teschner turned and made a motion as if he were pulling a weapon. Witnesses said Teschner was running away when he was shot.
State Police said at the time that the camper resisted arrest and was moving away from Woods, apparently keeping his hands in his pockets, when the fatal shots were fired.
Teschner was shot twice in the back of the neck, authorities said.
Special Prosecutor Scot Key had sought the maximum punishment for Woods, seven years behind bars. But defense attorney Gary Mitchell asked Sweazea to give Woods probation.
Before the sentencing, clinical psychologist Eric Westfried testified for the defense that Woods poses no threat to the community. He also told the court that a more thorough psychological evaluation before Woods was admitted to the police academy might have found him an unsuitable candidate for law enforcement.
The victim's brother, Charles Teschner, testified that arthritis forced his brother to give up his jewelry-making business, and he had been given a diagnosis of depression and put on medication. He said his brother was "obviously self-medicating with alcohol" in the last months of his life.
He told the judge that he believed Woods had to know that his brother was unarmed.
Several community members told the judge that Woods was a dedicated father, an avid community volunteer and an asset to his hometown.
Woods apologized to Teschner's family for taking the man's life but said he did the best he could with what he had the evening he was called to Teschner's campsite.
"I'm sorry for what happened," Woods said as he sobbed and looked briefly at Teschner's family.
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES ? A former New Mexico State Parks ranger has been sentenced to five years' probation and one year of house arrest in the fatal shooting of a man in a dispute over a campsite fee at Elephant Butte State Park.
State District Judge Kevin Sweazea on Wednesday ordered Clyde Woods to wear an electronic ankle monitoring bracelet for a year before serving probation.
Woods pleaded guilty in March to voluntary manslaughter in the August 2005 death of Bruce Teschner, 58. Teschner - who according to testimony was drunk and had a history of mental illness - refused to pay a $14-a-night camping fee and refused to leave the park.
Woods said he acted in self-defense. He said Teschner turned and made a motion as if he were pulling a weapon. Witnesses said Teschner was running away when he was shot.
State Police said at the time that the camper resisted arrest and was moving away from Woods, apparently keeping his hands in his pockets, when the fatal shots were fired.
Teschner was shot twice in the back of the neck, authorities said.
Special Prosecutor Scot Key had sought the maximum punishment for Woods, seven years behind bars. But defense attorney Gary Mitchell asked Sweazea to give Woods probation.
Before the sentencing, clinical psychologist Eric Westfried testified for the defense that Woods poses no threat to the community. He also told the court that a more thorough psychological evaluation before Woods was admitted to the police academy might have found him an unsuitable candidate for law enforcement.
The victim's brother, Charles Teschner, testified that arthritis forced his brother to give up his jewelry-making business, and he had been given a diagnosis of depression and put on medication. He said his brother was "obviously self-medicating with alcohol" in the last months of his life.
He told the judge that he believed Woods had to know that his brother was unarmed.
Several community members told the judge that Woods was a dedicated father, an avid community volunteer and an asset to his hometown.
Woods apologized to Teschner's family for taking the man's life but said he did the best he could with what he had the evening he was called to Teschner's campsite.
"I'm sorry for what happened," Woods said as he sobbed and looked briefly at Teschner's family.
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Humm, guy running away with his hands in his pockets over a $14 dispute and the ranger shoots him twice in the back, and no jail time.
Yet border patrol agents shoot an illegal with drugs and serve how many years?
My dad would be elated if he could do this to collect on his section 8 renters.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES ? A former New Mexico State Parks ranger has been sentenced to five years' probation and one year of house arrest in the fatal shooting of a man in a dispute over a campsite fee at Elephant Butte State Park.
State District Judge Kevin Sweazea on Wednesday ordered Clyde Woods to wear an electronic ankle monitoring bracelet for a year before serving probation.
Woods pleaded guilty in March to voluntary manslaughter in the August 2005 death of Bruce Teschner, 58. Teschner - who according to testimony was drunk and had a history of mental illness - refused to pay a $14-a-night camping fee and refused to leave the park.
Woods said he acted in self-defense. He said Teschner turned and made a motion as if he were pulling a weapon. Witnesses said Teschner was running away when he was shot.
State Police said at the time that the camper resisted arrest and was moving away from Woods, apparently keeping his hands in his pockets, when the fatal shots were fired.
Teschner was shot twice in the back of the neck, authorities said.
Special Prosecutor Scot Key had sought the maximum punishment for Woods, seven years behind bars. But defense attorney Gary Mitchell asked Sweazea to give Woods probation.
Before the sentencing, clinical psychologist Eric Westfried testified for the defense that Woods poses no threat to the community. He also told the court that a more thorough psychological evaluation before Woods was admitted to the police academy might have found him an unsuitable candidate for law enforcement.
The victim's brother, Charles Teschner, testified that arthritis forced his brother to give up his jewelry-making business, and he had been given a diagnosis of depression and put on medication. He said his brother was "obviously self-medicating with alcohol" in the last months of his life.
He told the judge that he believed Woods had to know that his brother was unarmed.
Several community members told the judge that Woods was a dedicated father, an avid community volunteer and an asset to his hometown.
Woods apologized to Teschner's family for taking the man's life but said he did the best he could with what he had the evening he was called to Teschner's campsite.
"I'm sorry for what happened," Woods said as he sobbed and looked briefly at Teschner's family.
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Humm, guy running away with his hands in his pockets over a $14 dispute and the ranger shoots him twice in the back, and no jail time.
Yet border patrol agents shoot an illegal with drugs and serve how many years?
My dad would be elated if he could do this to collect on his section 8 renters.
I hope your Dad is a better person than his son thinks he is.
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Cop shoots unarmed man, twice, in the back of the head and gets zero jail time...
... what a surprise.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Are you the biggest idiot on Earth by choice? Or do you take night classes to reinforce your third grade beliefs?
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Are you the biggest idiot on Earth by choice? Or do you take night classes to reinforce your third grade beliefs?
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Are you the biggest idiot on Earth by choice? Or do you take night classes to reinforce your third grade beliefs?
Moonbeam may be the most enlightened I've ever seen on these forums. So I don't expect you to understand.
I think both. You know how when a person is stoned they think they're smart and thinking about things on a higher plain? This is moonbeam, except he IS thinking about things on a higher plain. But he is still stoned, so it can be difficult to understand the message, because sometimes he doesn't quite know what he said.Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Are you the biggest idiot on Earth by choice? Or do you take night classes to reinforce your third grade beliefs?
Moonbeam may be the most enlightened I've ever seen on these forums. So I don't expect you to understand.
And by 'enlightned' you mean 'stoned'?
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I think both. You know how when a person is stoned they think they're smart and thinking about things on a higher plain? This is moonbeam, except he IS thinking about things on a higher plain. But he is still stoned, so it can be difficult to understand the message, because sometimes he doesn't quite know what he said.Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Are you the biggest idiot on Earth by choice? Or do you take night classes to reinforce your third grade beliefs?
Moonbeam may be the most enlightened I've ever seen on these forums. So I don't expect you to understand.
And by 'enlightned' you mean 'stoned'?
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Cop shoots unarmed man, twice, in the back of the head and gets zero jail time...
... what a surprise.
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Cop shoots unarmed man, twice, in the back of the head and gets zero jail time...
... what a surprise.
Gotta get it on video these days or nothing gets done. Then again, it didn't help Rodney King.
Originally posted by: the Chase
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Nah, I got to know some of my Section 8 renters. They had me and the girlfriend over for chicken. Nice people. But having big screen TV's and all the pot you can smoke all the while you turn down and quit jobs because the boss actually expects you to work (his words) doesn't to me seem worthy of the taxpayer's money.
I've had this same experience with a few other Sec. 8 tenants and people come to rent from me that can afford the rent without Sec. 8 help but won't rent it from me(even though they really like the place) because they would loose their Sec. 8 coupon if they didn't use it within a certain timeframe.
I've talked to Sec. 8 managers after I caught one of her tenants(the guy's father that had me over for chicken) breaking into the next door unit that I had been working on. She told me the main problem with a lot of the people in the program is drug use.
I can understand helping people out that really need the help and try to better their situation as I grew up "poor" and got free school lunches and Mom had some help with a program or 2. She worked 3 jobs and I raised my brother by myself while mowing lawns and babysitting until starting a landscaping job at 15. Maybe we were lucky to find the work but where we live the unemployment rate has always been extremely low.
The program does more harm to the people than good. It encourages them to not make the extra money so they still get their free Sec. 8 ride. I will not willingly participate in something that kills a person's soul.
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Cop shoots unarmed man, twice, in the back of the head and gets zero jail time...
... what a surprise.
Gotta get it on video these days or nothing gets done. Then again, it didn't help Rodney King.
What about the serviceman who was a passenger in a car that a cop pulled over. The cop orders the guy out of the car and onto the ground, to which the guy complies. Then the cop says "Get up!" so he does and then the cop shoots him.
The cop later says he meant to say "Don't get up!". Oops. No charges filed against the cop.
My pop makes good money off Section 8 housing. If he didn't do it, someone else would take his spot. Most of the renters (if not all) are turd leeches. Nothing will ever change about it, might as well take advantage of taxpayers footing the bill.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Cop shoots unarmed man, twice, in the back of the head and gets zero jail time...
... what a surprise.
Gotta get it on video these days or nothing gets done. Then again, it didn't help Rodney King.
What about the serviceman who was a passenger in a car that a cop pulled over. The cop orders the guy out of the car and onto the ground, to which the guy complies. Then the cop says "Get up!" so he does and then the cop shoots him.
The cop later says he meant to say "Don't get up!". Oops. No charges filed against the cop.
My pop makes good money off Section 8 housing. If he didn't do it, someone else would take his spot. Most of the renters (if not all) are turd leeches. Nothing will ever change about it, might as well take advantage of taxpayers footing the bill.
Say, you wouldn't happen to vote republican would you? Your sophisticated understanding of social mobility is enlightening. You complain about the homeless too no doubt. They just need a swift kick in the ass of course.
Just like your life without the additional pain of denial.Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
What's it like to live your life under the umbrella of guilt.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I'm thinking your joking about your Dad using such extreme measures in rent collecting. Although personal experience as a landlord that inherited Sec. 8 tenants, I feel his pain.
If he rented to Sec. 8 tenants himself, well he deserves what he gets for having a hand in robbing the American taxpayers and enabling a segment of the population to limit themselves to a certain pay level and laziness so they can continue to recieve their free ride.
He deserves what he gets, does he, and you, the god, and oh so deserving inheritor of rentals, that you are, get to decide that, no doubt based on all your personal achievement?
I would have thought davey's Dad could be seen as providing a service to the nation by renting to poorer people. But YOU have the insight to know he's a chump. It's no accident, I guess, that you look down of the lowly, since you clearly need some kind of crutch to prop up whatever semblance of a person you pretend to.
Are you the biggest idiot on Earth by choice? Or do you take night classes to reinforce your third grade beliefs?
Moonbeam may be the most enlightened I've ever seen on these forums. So I don't expect you to understand.
And by 'enlightned' you mean 'stoned'?
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
I only vote 3rd party.
Out of some 40 units he rents, 100% of them are single women with more than 2 kids. He doesn't choose who he rents to, HUD assigns them. HUD even tells him that person x won't pay their part of the rent if he rents to them. It's against the rules, that if the person is behind on their portion of the rent, they can't move somewhere else, but it gets overlooked.
One unit rents for $618 a month, and the woman's portion is $3. And she's months behind on that $3.
Why would they ever change? There is no culpability on their part, free ride.