why cant Tiger Woods play golf anymore?

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edro

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I don't see how Tyson was a huge fall from grace.
He was on top of the world and a huge favorite when he lost to Buster Douglas.
It was a complete free fall after that loss.

Edit: It looks like he won 2 more Title fights in 96 after his 90 loss, but those were 1-3 round knock outs against nobodies.
Yeah, maybe he just got old.
 
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Scarpozzi

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I agree with the back surgery. If you don't have proper range of motion when coming off the swing, that doesn't just affect the physics, but can affect confidence if you expect pain with every swing...

I'm sure even if he loses some power in his swing, he could still play at a very high level if he were to heal properly and put in time getting his game back. I remember Peyton Manning and his neck surgery...it took him a while to get his throwing accuracy back, but he did.
 

TheAdvocate

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Bad knee and back. You just can't play golf well with a bad back. He also fired Butch Harmon and "reinvented" his swing. Maybe he had to due to injuries. Anyway, he will never be very good again.

Steroids.

No one will say it, but having seen/talked to him in person, I'd bet money on it.

He was the Barry Bonds of Golf. A talented player that became a monster on Roids.

See how it broke down the bodies of many MLB players. Ken Camminiti for one.
 

KeithTalent

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Steroids.

No one will say it, but having seen/talked to him in person, I'd bet money on it.

He was the Barry Bonds of Golf. A talented player that became a monster on Roids.

See how it broke down the bodies of many MLB players. Ken Camminiti for one.



Only 2 players worse. He beat Fowler and a club pro, nobody else.

Golf is a funny thing, when it goes it can go completely and almost overnight. Guys are world beaters one day, get the yips, their confidence disappears and they never contend again. Tiger is a complete basket case, he's got middle-age 'roid body breakdown and huge mental problems with the short game. So he can't hit it straight, can't chip, can't putt and can't fix any of it.

Years of roids have broken his body beyond repair.

KT
 

futurefields

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The other side of it is that the competition has gotten better. Tiger was the Michael Jordan of golf. He ushered in a new style and new mentality to the game.

Why would other people getting better make Tigers scores worse? Not like this is a team sport, its singular. How good you are is how good you are.
 

Fern

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i never seen somebody fall of this bad before dang

is it all the women problems?

It's happened before. Notice the former golf pros now on TV. David Duval's fall was probably worse and faster, and he couldn't blame back or other health problems. He just flat-out lost it.

There's been any number of very good pro golfers who just woke up one day and lost it, and never got it back. Some can blame a coaching change they never recovered from, others health/medical issues but for many there is no explanation. They just lost 'it'.

But there is a huge difference: None of them were as famous as Tiger Woods and they were mercifully allowed to fade-out without any notice. Oh, they tried to return to form by continuing to play (like Tiger is doing) but there triple bogies etc never made it on TV.

Fern
 

skull

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I agree with the back surgery. If you don't have proper range of motion when coming off the swing, that doesn't just affect the physics, but can affect confidence if you expect pain with every swing...

I'm sure even if he loses some power in his swing, he could still play at a very high level if he were to heal properly and put in time getting his game back. I remember Peyton Manning and his neck surgery...it took him a while to get his throwing accuracy back, but he did.

Definitely I'd love to go play some golf but every single swing at a golf ball I've tried since I hurt my back 10 years ago is worse than carrying heavy stuff while I'm working. Every swing hurts and I can't get the swing even close to right.
 

Drako

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It's happened before. Notice the former golf pros now on TV. David Duval's fall was probably worse and faster, and he couldn't blame back or other health problems. He just flat-out lost it.

Fern

I thought Duval had vertigo or something.
 

BUTCH1

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Only 2 players worse. He beat Fowler and a club pro, nobody else.

Golf is a funny thing, when it goes it can go completely and almost overnight. Guys are world beaters one day, get the yips, their confidence disappears and they never contend again. Tiger is a complete basket case, he's got middle-age 'roid body breakdown and huge mental problems with the short game. So he can't hit it straight, can't chip, can't putt and can't fix any of it.

Yea, I think we can officially put to rest his goal of topping Jack in majors. Lot's of issues but when the back goes bad everything else goes bad shortly afterwards. Ask Greg Norman about it. The twisting torque of hitting a golf ball (the way the pro's need to hit it) is very tough on the back.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I thought Duval had vertigo or something.

He did. Duval had a bunch of problems and vertigo was surely part of the fall, but his decline started before the vertigo. He freely admits that he lost the motivation needed to stay at that level. He worked his ass off, chased the dream, got to the very top and thought "is this all there is?" Once he got there he found out that being #1 was not as fulfilling as he hoped and he started to slide because he just didn't care. And he had back and wrist and shoulder problems and he really fell off quickly because he was in pain and wasn't motivated to practice, so he just half-assed it. Then he got the vertigo and the bottom fell out.

Non-golfers can't understand how hard golf is on the body, especially to play at that level. It takes a lot of reps hitting hundreds, even thousands of balls every week and every swing is putting a lot of stress on the back, shoulders, knees, elbows and wrists. Every golfer is living on borrowed time, a few freaks can keep going well into their 50s and even into the 60s, but those guys are one in a thousand. Most of them hit a wall physically when they're in the area of 40 years old and a whole lot hit a different wall mentally when they develop the yips later in their careers. Tiger seems to have hit both walls simultaneously. He practiced like a maniac, damaged his body, went to roids and HGH to maintain and get over the injuries, now he's paying the price and as his body went to shit he lost his confidence and now he's a mental basket case too. Getting the chipping yips is nothing physical, it's a simple, effortless motion that puts no stress on the body. He's not struggling in the short game because of his back or his knee or any other physical ailments. It's entirely mental, his brain is mush and he stands over the ball thinking of how he's going to screw up. It happened to Palmer and Hogan and Tom Watson and a lot of other great players. One day you think you can't ever lose and the next you're standing over a short putt or chip and you literally can't swing because you're afraid of what will happen.
 

BUTCH1

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He did. Duval had a bunch of problems and vertigo was surely part of the fall, but his decline started before the vertigo. He freely admits that he lost the motivation needed to stay at that level. He worked his ass off, chased the dream, got to the very top and thought "is this all there is?" Once he got there he found out that being #1 was not as fulfilling as he hoped and he started to slide because he just didn't care. And he had back and wrist and shoulder problems and he really fell off quickly because he was in pain and wasn't motivated to practice, so he just half-assed it. Then he got the vertigo and the bottom fell out.

Non-golfers can't understand how hard golf is on the body, especially to play at that level. It takes a lot of reps hitting hundreds, even thousands of balls every week and every swing is putting a lot of stress on the back, shoulders, knees, elbows and wrists. Every golfer is living on borrowed time, a few freaks can keep going well into their 50s and even into the 60s, but those guys are one in a thousand. Most of them hit a wall physically when they're in the area of 40 years old and a whole lot hit a different wall mentally when they develop the yips later in their careers. Tiger seems to have hit both walls simultaneously. He practiced like a maniac, damaged his body, went to roids and HGH to maintain and get over the injuries, now he's paying the price and as his body went to shit he lost his confidence and now he's a mental basket case too. Getting the chipping yips is nothing physical, it's a simple, effortless motion that puts no stress on the body. He's not struggling in the short game because of his back or his knee or any other physical ailments. It's entirely mental, his brain is mush and he stands over the ball thinking of how he's going to screw up. It happened to Palmer and Hogan and Tom Watson and a lot of other great players. One day you think you can't ever lose and the next you're standing over a short putt or chip and you literally can't swing because you're afraid of what will happen.


Shit just the amount of walking (depending on the course) can be very demanding. I went to a practice round at Augusta in '04 and we walked all 18 holes, I had shin splints like hell and at that time my job involved working on a stand-up forklift and whipping 55 gal drums around, 10 hrs/day. To play the Masters you must walk it 4 days in a row, probably better then 5 miles AND that does not take into account the time at the range or practice rounds as well. The TV coverage does not do justice to how many hills one must go up and down around there, amazing place though, I'll never forget it.
 

purbeast0

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Interesting...didn't know the "yips" is an actual condition.

it's not a real medical condition or anything, it's just the term for when pro athetes lose their mental aspect of their sport. some recover, some can't.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Interesting...didn't know the "yips" is an actual condition.

I've played golf for a long time and most of it I've been very good. Not pro level, but club champion a few times, done well in state level events and competed in a bunch of USGA events. And for most of that time, the mental aspect of the game was easy for me, I played well under pressure and never got the yips. Then, last year, I got them on short putts. It's truly horrifying and you can't explain just how debilitating it is. The short putting stroke is the easiest thing on Earth, just a simple rocking of the shoulders and the putter goes along for the ride. It seems idiot-proof, the fewer moving parts the better, nothing can go wrong. And then, just from one breath to the next, it goes from being one of the easiest things on Earth to ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Your body rebels against you, the wrists hinge, the shoulders open rather than rock, your posture changes, you jab at it and you can't stop it. It's like somebody else is using an RC to control you and they're not any good at it. I got over them, but I know it's just a matter of time until they come back.

It's happened to other guys in other sports too. Pro basketball players that can shoot jumpers, but not free throws. MLB second basemen that can't throw to first base or catchers that can't throw back to the pitcher. NFL long snappers that can't the ball within a time zone of the holder. It's crazy, something that you've done your entire life without a thought becomes impossible. You ever see a person after a stroke? Sometimes they have to literally learn how to pick up a glass again because their muscles just don't respond like they used to? It's like that. And while a stroke victim is a real physical thing and the yips are completely mental, it still works out the same. There's a short circuit between the brain and the muscles and the signals get crossed and things stop working like they used to.
 

MongGrel

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At least he has a shitload of money to play with still I imagine.

The back probably a big one.

Mine hurts most of the time at my age these days.

I imagine he's just cruising these days.
 
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