Why Chinese Mothers are Superior

[JS80]

You're making the trauma resurface. Though my dad was much much MUCH worse.

He still hasn't forgiven me for not becoming a doctor.

Yikes. I guess I won the Korean parents lottery. My mom was too busy running her business and my dad basically threw me down the hill when I entered HS and said that his lesson to me was sink or swim and left me alone. I can probably say with some certainty that if they were on my ass like typical Korean parents that I would not be where I am today.

 

[intogamer]

I felt the piece was really one-sided, and it didn't really contrast the difference between Eastern and Western upbringings well. Looked at the picture mother and daughter picture... then realized the mother wrote this. "Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior" :rollseyes;

 

[Narmer]

Do the Chinese teach their children morals? Stealing is accepted in China. Everyone steals. Abortion is rampant. Hygienes isn't taken seriously. Also, when the Chinese were building a railroad in Mecca, the Saudis refused them entry because only muslims are allowed in Mecca. The Chinese solution? They forced their Chinese workers to convert to Islam.

 

[Pliablemoose]

LOL, years ago, I noticed that many of the high achieving posters here on AT were Asian and that they complained about how strict their parents were, I copied that parenting style because the Western version of parenting sucks...

 

[RbSX]

So now I know that if I want a robot child with the personality of a piece of plastic, I should marry Chinese.

 

[RbSX]

Do the Chinese teach their children morals? Stealing is accepted in China. Everyone steals. Abortion is rampant. Hygienes isn't taken seriously. Also, when the Chinese were building a railroad in Mecca, the Saudis refused them entry because only muslims are allowed in Mecca. The Chinese solution? They forced their Chinese workers to convert to Islam.

Luxuries like morals and laws are the benefit of a healthy and developed society.

Once upon a time, America was pretty unsophisticated too (and it's arguable that as a society, America is still somewhat backwards)

 

[Heller]

lolwhat

 

[Narmer]

Luxuries like morals and laws are the benefit of a healthy and developed society.

Once upon a time, America was pretty unsophisticated too (and it's arguable that as a society, America is still somewhat backwards)

But stealing is ingrained in their culture. It isn't a recent phenomena.

 

[Svnla]

Smack? I got beat with a bat when I got bad grades.

Only made 95 instead of 100 on your math/science test?

After the beat up, did you get the lecture "so and so have kids that are so perfect, why can't you be like them, you bring shame to the family name"?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Only made 95 instead of 100 on your math/science test?

After the beat up, did you get the lecture "so and so have kids that are so perfect, why can't you be like them"?

Hell I still get them. It's amazing how many other Asian kids my parents can find that have a 3.5+ GPA.

 

[Imp]

Only made 95 instead of 100 on your math/science test?

After the beat up, did you get the lecture "so and so have kids that are so perfect, why can't you be like them, you bring shame to the family name"?

Let me see, I got a 78% on a math test once, and got shamed for hours. Got the lecture about how other kids did get better, why I couldn't be like them, bla bla bla... Guess who decided to just stop showing mom their grades after that!

Funny thing. I work in a civil engineering office, and there are very few Asians at the top. It's all outspoken white people who learned how to suck dick and kiss ass, or actually go after things they want. But civil engineering is for loser who couldn't do engineering science or electrical engineering.

 

[paulney]

Chinese mothers are $140-160 per hour, while caucasians are at least $200. So sure, they are superior in financial sense.

 

[jhu]

你們都懶。這就是為什麽你們都不成功。

 

[TecHNooB]

你們都弱。這就是為什麽你們都不成功。

ni men dou (lan?). zhe jiu shi wei she me ni men dou bu chen gong.

Funny thing. I work in a civil engineering office, and there are very few Asians at the top. It's all outspoken white people who learned how to suck dick and kiss ass, or actually go after things they want. But civil engineering is for loser who couldn't do engineering science or electrical engineering.

It's kind of like that at my office, minus the dick sucking. They're actually really smart. When people naturally follow the path towards intelligence instead of being forced on the path, they tend to be really really sharp.

 

[Elbryn]

Do the Chinese teach their children morals? Stealing is accepted in China. Everyone steals. Abortion is rampant. Hygienes isn't taken seriously. Also, when the Chinese were building a railroad in Mecca, the Saudis refused them entry because only muslims are allowed in Mecca. The Chinese solution? They forced their Chinese workers to convert to Islam.

how is that any different than here? having kids so you can get more welfare money? abortions because you cant put a condom on? wierdo's hanging out by kids urials so he can drink thier pee? kids being forced into the sex trade? typecast in glittering generalities much?

 

[HeXen]

i'm hard on my stepkids (teens). usually when they whine and cry cause their lazy about something, i tell them to go crawl back up their mothers p***, or go get a change of diaper, since they can't handle it..or something to that effect.

but their practically adults, i'm trying to teach them to toughen up a bit for the real world and not be so lazy and rely on mommy to do everything for them....the boy couldn't even go to get a tire fixed yesterday without his mommy there with them,...you kidding me? She has to do everything for them, from phone calls to cooking, you name it...they know better than to ask me, but i tell her she needs to cut the umbilical cord and make them do their own stuff.

 

[magomago]

你們都懶。這就是為什麽你們都不成功。

甚麼爛嘛！　ａｔｏｔ人家都成功了，都很棒啦．每一個有超級漂亮的女朋友，各人的薪水也不錯．老實說，跟他們比起來，你甚麼都很差．

That said I'm kind of curious how if this article is a bunch of bullshit, and if the author is quietly making fun of the stereotypes that exist. She is a professor at Yale, so I feel that one needs to read between the lines....


Btw how the fuck is stealing accepted everywhere? When you say China I'm assuming Chinese culture in general - that said, I've been in Taiwan for quite a while, and this 'chinese culture' area provided me with no fears about stealing; if it was as you described, I wouldn't have had ZERO things stolen, I wouldn't have had night market ladies hold my bags that I totally forgot about and returned to pick up one hour later, I would would constantly have to worry about being handed the correct change everywhere I go....I just don't see what you said to be true.

 

[jhu]

ni men dou (lan?). Zhe jiu shi wei she me ni men dou bu chen gong.

拼音？你們美國生的中國人都不會用漢字？你的家庭蒙受恥辱。

 

[Imdmn04]

A lot of Westernized parenting about "freedom of choice" is bullshit.

Most kids in sociology or philosophy majors are not there because they like the subject (which is fine if they really liked it), but rather they don't have an idea what they want to do, so they pick the easiest/non-competitive major they can get by with, then ends up working as a Starbucks barista when they graduate in this economy.

Kids need to be pushed sometimes, I am not advocating micro-managing every step of their life, but nor do I recommend the complete "hands-off" approach. This pseudo-freedom granted to kids ends up hurting them in their adult life.

Also in Asian families, kids are a lot closer to their parents than Western families. Asian families tend to live together and stay very close when the kids become adults. Western families shoo their kids out the door when they are off to college. In fact, up until a few years before the recession hit, it is considered a "shame" if you lived with your parents after graduating school. Thus, Western parents aren't really hung up on the welfare of their kids because they don't really interact as much as Asian families with 2 generations living under the same roof, which makes you feel like the smallest unit is the family, as opposed to the individual. In that environment, you are bound to feel more concerned of your offsprings as opposed to the occasional Thanksgiving/Christmas visit in a traditional Western family.

 

[magomago]

Do the Chinese teach their children morals? Stealing is accepted in China. Everyone steals. Abortion is rampant. Hygienes isn't taken seriously. Also, when the Chinese were building a railroad in Mecca, the Saudis refused them entry because only muslims are allowed in Mecca. The Chinese solution? They forced their Chinese workers to convert to Islam.

Huh? I got curious and did some googling and I didn't find this at all dude:

There are 4,600 Chinese nationals working on the scheme, which when completed will link the holy cities of Makkah and Madinah via Jeddah and Rabigh. Among them, 370 are already born Muslims.

Last year, over 600 of them embraced Islam.

I wouldn't trust the numbers, but it sounds like some have converted out of a bigger pool of Non Muslims.



Here sounds like something that actually explains things more clearly (ie: rationally, which is what you'd think humans would TRY to tend towards...)

"http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/today-in-china/2010_06_01/China_Railway_Construction_meets_Mecca.html"

What would you do if you were in charge of building a major infrastructure project, but you weren't allowed to oversee construction? That is the question facing China Railway Construction (CRC; 601186.SH, 1186.HK), the company behind a metro rail project in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

When completed in November, the Al Mashaaer Al Mugaddassah Metro will whisk pilgrims, up to 1.2 million per day, between holy sites in Mecca, Mount Arafat, Muzdalifa and Mina. Contrary to earlier reports, the metro system will not be a monorail, but a conventional steel-wheel, steel-rail design running on a viaduct.

But Yam Kong, the director and general manager of construction firm HCCG (China), who is helping CRC on the project, said the company has encountered a unique obstacle: Mecca is off-limits to non-Muslims, and the restrictions won't be lifted for the sake of speeding construction on the 18.1-kilometer metro line.

Overseas Chinese infrastructure projects are typically built by imported Chinese labor. This time, not just any workers will do.

"Labor-wise, it's probably OK because China Railway Construction can import Muslim labor from China if they fail to find a large-scale labor force in Saudi," said Yam.

A trickier problem is finding professionals to oversee the workers.

"It's not like in Europe ... where there is a long history of railway development [and] there are local professionals available," said Yam. He said the project had struggled to find Muslim railway engineers.

Fortunately for Yam and CRC, only part of the metro lies within the restricted, sacred area. Non-Muslim workers and contractors can still visit and work on the site on the outskirts of Mecca.

"But once we talk about the sacred line, beyond where only Muslims are admitted, then we will have to ask our colleagues to go in there and work on it," said Yam. "It's not easy sometimes."

This last link hit the nail on the head where it probably came from:

http://cominganarchy.com/2010/12/12/the-practical-chinese/
It seems the source came from an economist article

http://www.economist.com/node/17680668?story_id=17680668&CFID=150855378&CFTOKEN=86370880

"Moreover, the Chinese and Saudis do have some bones of contention. China has accused Saudi Arabia of dumping petrochemicals on its markets. And a much-heralded project, a railway between Mecca and the holy sites of Mina and Mount Arafat, recently built by the Chinese, has ended in a row, with China Railways threatening to sue the Saudi authorities for the losses it has made on the investment. Some firms would have been put off by the fact that non-Muslims are barred from working in Mecca, so China simply converted hundreds of railway workers to Islam. But the project ran into problems over the allocation of land, cost overruns and even workers’ riots, which rarely occur in Saudi Arabia."

a guy had an interesting point:

"It seems far more likely to me that someone is yanking the Economist’s chain, and that the Chinese company in question went to Gansu and hired some construction workers who were already Muslims (or at least “Muslims by ethnicity”), rather than a risk giant scandals when photos surfaced of fake Chinese converts found gambling, eating pork, and drinking in Mecca or after they went on to their next job in the Middle East. (If no such photos could be found, I’m sure some online rabble-rousers would fabricate them anyway).

Yes, fake converts might have been cheaper, but it was already clear in the first place that to China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, cost was no object in this thoroughly-politicized project"

 

[magomago]

拼音？你們美國生的中國人都不會用漢字？你的家庭蒙受恥辱。

美國生．．．聽起來奇怪．　你為甚麼沒寫華人，華僑？你一定是一個ＡＢＣ吧:d

 

[HeXen]

American kids these days have too much ADD, too much free time, too lazy and complain about everything. I know several families with adult childeren still living at home. For the most part i agree with the article except maybe not letting them do sleepovers, games..etc. rather just have limits.
No parent should be letting their kid spend from 3:30pm to 10:00 pm playing video games, watching tv...thats rediculous. Schools won't teach much about the real world out there, parents need to do that.
my g/f's kids are becoming the stereo type of whats wrong with american kids these days. i'm hard on them as i said, but i have little say really, no one listens, i'm just "that guy who lives here with their mom" so to speak

 

[jhu]

美國生．．．聽起來奇怪．　你為甚麼沒寫華人，華僑？你一定是一個ＡＢＣ吧:d

我在美國住太久了。如果我說“華人”，人家不明白。

 

[magomago]

American kids these days have too much ADD, too much free time, too lazy and complain about everything. I know several families with adult childeren still living at home. For the most part i agree with the article except maybe not letting them do sleepovers, games..etc. rather just have limits.
No parent should be letting their kid spend from 3:30pm to 10:00 pm playing video games, watching tv...thats rediculous. Schools won't teach much about the real world out there, parents need to do that.
my g/f's kids are becoming the stereo type of whats wrong with american kids these days. i'm hard on them as i said, but i have little say really, no one listens, i'm just "that guy who lives here with their mom" so to speak

Yeah but there is a difference between being strict parent-nazis and looking for healthy child development. I'd would state that a child needs a lot of 'free time' so they can play around with different things and figure out what they like and don't like and learn more about themselves. Several "Asian" friends of mine have lamented that they didn't get to explore and really learn what they did or didn't like because the first 15 years of their life doing school, hw, and shuttling around between various activities; it was as if they were mindless robots without any opinion or ideas of their own. Of course course going to the opposite end isn't good, and that s the example you cited: if you feed 7 hours of games and TV a day that sounds like massive parenting fail, but I wouldn't say that is the 'western style' of parenting.
IMO certain things kids need to be forced on regardless of their disposition towards it...performing well in school (in ALL subjects) is important; I agree with the article "You only hate that which you aren't good at" because I generally believe the same thing. By doing well in school subjects (which, come on, aren't hard) it keeps their options open for other things and trains their mind in many areas.
Other things kids need to be forced to follow through on a personal decision: I'd say "Give a choice as to what instrument they want to play (if they are even interested): give them time to explore and experiment with many instruments...but once they pick, make them follow through with it!. doesn't have to be a instrument, could be a sport, or could be an activity. Load them up with stimulating activities, but don't overload them. And lastly, let kids have free time to mess around and discover things - creativity is hugely important and plenty of freetime to discover and mess around is needed....

 

[magomago]

我在美國住太久了。如果我說“華人”，人家不明白。

會中文的人一定會明白；看不懂的話，可以用字典來解釋，對不對