Why Democrats should pack the courts.

[Jhhnn]

The claim is being made that the reason some Native Americans can't vote is a lack of designated street numbers or names. I have no idea if the claims are accurate or not, but why not fix the problem? It's similar to claims that a State ID is required for voting and somehow this is a dastardly attempt to steal citizens voting rights, why not just make State ID's free and easy to acquire? Problem solved.

How about fixing the alleged "problem" of street addresses before disenfranchising the voters? How about not creating the problem in the first place?

Because it wouldn't have the desired effect.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

How about fixing the alleged "problem" of street addresses before disenfranchising the voters? How about not creating the problem in the first place?

Because it wouldn't have the desired effect.

Most likely because the State has no legal power to change things on the Reservation. My guess, since i don't know.

 

[Paratus]

The claim is being made that the reason some Native Americans can't vote is a lack of designated street numbers or names. I have no idea if the claims are accurate or not, but why not fix the problem? It's similar to claims that a State ID is required for voting and somehow this is a dastardly attempt to steal citizens voting rights, why not just make State ID's free and easy to acquire? Problem solved.

Here are the claims those effected by this law are making:

The plaintiffs in this latest lawsuit take the majority at its word. Using maps, photographs, and GPS, they explain the bind that North Dakota has placed them in. There are no street signs to identify the roads on which their houses are located. In some instances, the state has given them conflicting information about their residential address. Consider these quandaries:


• Leslie and Clark Peltier are enrolled members of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians who live on reservation trust land. Their rural home has no address. During the 2012 election, a county representative assigned them the address 10296 40th Ave. NE, with no town or ZIP code. When they obtained driver’s licenses, the state identified their town as Belcourt, North Dakota, 58316. But the secretary of state’s database lists their town as St. John, North Dakota, 58369. They cannot vote unless they resolve this discrepancy—yet they have no apparent way of doing so.

• Terry Yellow Fat is an enrolled member of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe who lives in Fort Yates, North Dakota. Several years ago, the government put up a sign on his street that said “Buffalo Avenue,” so he assumed he lived on Buffalo Avenue. But when he asked the sheriff for his “911 address”—the location used for emergency services—he was told he lived on 1343 92nd St. In fact, that’s the address of a liquor store down the street from his house, yet the state now considers it to be his official address. Yellow Fat is thus caught in a Catch-22: To vote, he must produce an ID listing his address as 1343 92nd St. But if he uses that address to vote, he will be violating the law, because it is not actually the “fixed permanent dwelling” at which he resides.


• Ace Charette, an enrolled member of the Little Shell Tribe, lives in Rolette County with his fiancée, Andrea Riggs, an enrolled member of the Navajo Nation. They in a rental home that has no street address. To obtain a residential address, they contacted Rolla City Hall but were told they had to appear in person at a courthouse in Rolla, about 10 miles away. Andrea visited the courthouse three times before an employee was present who could assist her. This employee, who identified himself only as “Kurt,” stated that the county had two mapping programs that often conflicted with each other. Each produced a different address for Riggs and Charette’s house. He selected one and wrote it on a sheet of paper. This paper is the only official documentation that Riggs and Charette received indicating their address, and it is insufficient to vote.*

Since the 8th Circuit lifted the block on the new law, tribal governments have scrambled to hand out hundreds of new ID cards, usually for free. But thousands of Native Americans still don’t have identification with a residential street address deemed valid by the state. And as the examples above illustrate, hundreds more simply cannot get them at all. To make matters worse, North Dakota’s Republican Secretary of State Alvin Jaeger has indicated that he will strictly enforce the residential address requirement and refused to say whether he’ll accept newly printed tribal IDs.


Now let me ask you a question. If this isn’t a dastardly plot to disenfranchise voters why does this have to be implemented in an election year in between the primaries and Election Day when it’s become obvious it prevents 100’s or 1000’s from voting?

Why not implement this once the government has gotten its shit together and figured out what address these people live at?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Now let me ask you a question. If this isn’t a dastardly plot to disenfranchise voters why does this have to be implemented in an election year in between the primaries and Election Day when it’s become obvious it prevents 100’s or 1000’s from voting?

Why not implement this once the government has gotten its shit together and figured out what address these people live at?

Link to your information so it can be verified?

Problems should have been solved before it became critical. Your link listed a few........... wait, what link?
Lol, Peltier? Really?

 

[Paratus]

Link to your information so it can be verified?

Problems should have been solved before it became critical. Your link listed a few........... wait, what link?
Lol, Peltier? Really?

Sure.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/north-dakota-native-americans-votes-stolen.html

Sorry meant to include it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Most likely because the State has no legal power to change things on the Reservation. My guess, since i don't know.

I always love the coy innocence routine. None of it is some kind of unfortunate misunderstanding at all. In N Dakota, the GOP found a new way to suppress unfriendly voters & used it. They dragged out court proceedings long enough that the only reason it applies to this election is because there's not enough time to change it according the the federal judge who heard the case. When it's thrown out, they'll just write a new slightly different law & start over like last time. They know what they're doing & who they're targeting or they wouldn't keep doing it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Link to your information so it can be verified?

Problems should have been solved before it became critical. Your link listed a few........... wait, what link?
Lol, Peltier? Really?

You shouldn’t have issued that challenge. I’m sure it will be met. Government records and stuff.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Taj, just admit what a conservative Trump supporting, voter fraud believing friend of mine said.
This is an embarrassment, whole thing was poorly planned and should have been postponed until next year when it’s planned better.

 

[Maxima1]

Taj, just admit what a conservative Trump supporting, voter fraud believing friend of mine said.
This is an embarrassment, whole thing was poorly planned and should have been postponed until next year when it’s planned better.

Poorly planned? It was intended to fuck them over.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Poorly planned? It was intended to fuck them over.

Small steps man. I’m proud of the small step he made today.

 

[MrSquished]

What the republicans are doing in Georgia is even crazier solely because of its scope. The voter purging affected hundreds of thousands of voters!!!!

Republicans should be thrown in jail. If their supporters claim ignorance like the fool in this thread - say fine. Renounce the Republican Party or hold your head in shame since you are now complicit in the disgusting shit show that is the Republican party these days.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Sure.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/north-dakota-native-americans-votes-stolen.html

Sorry meant to include it.

Thanks for including the link. Yes, it looks as if the Government has done what it usually does, screw things up. No excuses, those citizens should be able to vote and they should get valid addresses to vote from. Hopefully the entities involved will do their jobs.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

What the republicans are doing in Georgia is even crazier solely because of its scope. The voter purging affected hundreds of thousands of voters!!!!

Republicans should be thrown in jail. If their supporters claim ignorance like the fool in this thread - say fine. Renounce the Republican Party or hold your head in shame since you are now complicit in the disgusting shit show that is the Republican party these days.

Oh yes of course.


The evil monster Republicans in their blood frenzy of killing innocent children and eating babies while they seek total global domination and the destruction of the planet will continue next week!

Please tune in to the same batshit crazy forum at the same batshit crazy time.

 

[MrSquished]

Oh yes of course.


The evil monster Republicans in their blood frenzy of killing innocent children and eating babies while they seek total global domination and the destruction of the planet will continue next week!

Please tune in to the same batshit crazy forum at the same batshit crazy time.

I said no such thing. Take your strawman and shove it up your ass. If Republicans start shooting children I'll add it to the list. The fact his the R's, and only the R's, are investing in high level voter suppression and disenfranchisement. Voting is a fundamental right of a functioning democracy, and they don't respect it. That's a fact Jack. Another fact is that with all the rhetoric against the press, nearly HALF of ALL republicans think the president should have the right to shut down media outlets in case of 'bad behaviour'. WFT? So they attack voting rights, and now they whole freedom of the press thing, another fundamental tenet on democracy. And they should be excoriated for it.

Trumpists are not worth speaking to. They believe so many lies that they are either just stupid, ignorant, willfully delusional or simply depraved. THEY DO NOT FUNCTION IN REALITY anymore. How can you have a dialogue with people who ultimately live in a world created by thousands of Trump and Republican lies? You can't.

You are part of the problem, not the solution, and should be treated as such. These people would never vote Democrat anyway, so while i here many democrats saying not to go negative or not to alienate all these Trumpists in the future, fuck them - I say take power back, and discard them. I mean sure when Democrats do good things like bring in universal health coverage these people will get those benefits too, but they should be shut out of the political discourse in full.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I said no such thing. Take your strawman and shove it up your ass. If Republicans start shooting children I'll add it to the list. The fact his the R's, and only the R's, are investing in high level voter suppression and disenfranchisement. Voting is a fundamental right of a functioning democracy, and they don't respect it. That's a fact Jack. Another fact is that with all the rhetoric against the press, nearly HALF of ALL republicans think the president should have the right to shut down media outlets in case of 'bad behaviour'. WFT? So they attack voting rights, and now they whole freedom of the press thing, another fundamental tenet on democracy. And they should be excoriated for it.

Trumpists are not worth speaking to. They believe so many lies that they are either just stupid, ignorant, willfully delusional or simply depraved. THEY DO NOT FUNCTION IN REALITY anymore. How can you have a dialogue with people who ultimately live in a world created by thousands of Trump and Republican lies? You can't.

You are part of the problem, not the solution, and should be treated as such. These people would never vote Democrat anyway, so while i here many democrats saying not to go negative or not to alienate all these Trumpists in the future, fuck them - I say take power back, and discard them. I mean sure when Democrats do good things like bring in universal health coverage these people will get those benefits too, but they should be shut out of the political discourse in full.

You said :

What the republicans are doing in Georgia is even crazier solely because of its scope. The voter purging affected hundreds of thousands of voters!!!!

Republicans should be thrown in jail. If their supporters claim ignorance like the fool in this thread - say fine. Renounce the Republican Party or hold your head in shame since you are now complicit in the disgusting shit show that is the Republican party these days.

Which I found so hilarious that I replied with an answer about batshit crazy. It's accurate and fitting.

You are actually pretending that Democrats have never engaged in gerrymandering or obstructing voters or vote fraud or any of the things you pretend have only been committed by Republicans. Grow up little boy, learn some history.

 

[ivwshane]

You said :





Which I found so hilarious that I replied with an answer about batshit crazy. It's accurate and fitting.

You are actually pretending that Democrats have never engaged in gerrymandering or obstructing voters or vote fraud or any of the things you pretend have only been committed by Republicans. Grow up little boy, learn some history.

I'll give you gerrymandering, I'll take some links to Democrats engaging in voter obstruction and Democrats engaging in voter fraud though.

 

[brandonbull]

A strong candidate needs a 100% sweep? Has that ever happened in let’s say the last 100 years?
Maybe Truman but I’m not sure about that.

What are you talking about? The total popular vote is a useless stat when concerning the presidential election. Hillary had a plurality in the total popular vote and NOT a majority. You do understand that Hillary had around 3.5M more votes in California? So stop trying to imply that the majority of people voted for her and that some dirty trick by Trump is what won him the election.

 

[Jhhnn]

What are you talking about? The total popular vote is a useless stat when concerning the presidential election. Hillary had a plurality in the total popular vote and NOT a majority. You do understand that Hillary had around 3.5M more votes in California? So stop trying to imply that the majority of people voted for her and that some dirty trick by Trump is what won him the election.

It wasn't a dirty trick. It's just an unintended consequence of the electoral college system. Prior to the 2000 election, we hadn't experienced that anomaly since the 1880's.

If you actually think about it at all, The way Trump won does not justify his radical agenda in the slightest. A rational politician who actually cared about the will of the people wouldn't execute such policy under these circumstances.

Which explains why he's a Republican. They don't care about that, either.

 

[JSt0rm]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...r-id-law-for-native-americans-in-north-dakota


So Native Americans who don't have traditional street addresses at reservations are having their vote stolen, and Republican appointee judge is saying it's more important that status quo that allows this to happen be preserved than to protect their rights.
Only court packing by Democrats can save the American democracy.
Here is the picture of the election thief judge in question for public shaming:

you forgot that the status quo has only been that for 3 months.

 

[Jhhnn]

you forgot that the status quo has only been that for 3 months.

I think the N Dakota legislature passed the measure some time before that. They tried much the same 2 years ago but it was struck down in court so they adjusted a little & went for it again.

 

[Paratus]

What are you talking about? The total popular vote is a useless stat when concerning the presidential election. Hillary had a plurality in the total popular vote and NOT a majority. You do understand that Hillary had around 3.5M more votes in California? So stop trying to imply that the majority of people voted for her and that some dirty trick by Trump is what won him the election.

This is probably very hard for you to admit but California’s are Americans too.

Trump lost the popular vote. More Americans voted for Hillary than Trump - Americans not Californians.

Once more, if the rest of the voting population who neglected to vote had actually voted he would have lost by even more.

Trump won the only vote that mattered. The electoral college. So you’ll just have to be happy with that. The bulk of the country did not vote for him. And of those who did vote the majority of Americans didn’t vote him either. So stop trying to rewrite history.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'll give you gerrymandering, I'll take some links to Democrats engaging in voter obstruction and Democrats engaging in voter fraud though.

If you live in California and hope to vote for a Libertarian or Green Party or Independent Party or even a Republican Party candidate for Governor or Senator what are your choices? None, you are only allowed to vote for a Democratic candidate because of the way the majority Party Democrats have gamed the system.

 

[JSt0rm]

If you live in California and hope to vote for a Libertarian or Green Party or Independent Party or even a Republican Party candidate for Governor or Senator what are your choices? None, you are only allowed to vote for a Democratic candidate because of the way the majority Party Democrats have gamed the system.

It’s been explained to you a hundred times why it’s the way it is.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you live in California and hope to vote for a Libertarian or Green Party or Independent Party or even a Republican Party candidate for Governor or Senator what are your choices? None, you are only allowed to vote for a Democratic candidate because of the way the majority Party Democrats have gamed the system.

That's false. You can write in anybody you want.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You may be happy as Democrats that hundreds of thousands of Libertarian Party members and over a hundred thousand Green Party members are totally disenfranchised in the California vote, but try not to pretend that it's anything except massively scaled voter suppression.

In the sample ballots I saw there isn't a place to write in alternative/protest candidates for US Senate or Gov.