Why did Demo's for PC games die?

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bystander36

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or they became totally broken released games to let us beta test after paying full price.

Like others have said, we now pay to beta test or we get a horrible game at release that has to be fixed.

The only way to get this situation fixed is to stop buying games on the release date, and wait for reviews. And if you bought it and it had issues on release, the game is still going to be fixed and working in a month or 2. You would have bought it then, for the same price anyways, so there isn't much loss other than you have to wait for the date the game should have been released on to play it.
 

AznAnarchy99

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Man I remember downloading so many demos from GameSpy on my crap 56k connection.

The Medal of Honor Allied Assault demo got me to buy the game and enter the world of PC online gaming.
 

bystander36

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I've been noticing that Steam will give me free game time on pretty new games on the weekends. The game will show up in my Library. You should check it out some time. Make sure to keep an eye on your Library.
 

Karl775

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Yea, I really miss demos. I think I probably still have a stack of old Demo CDs from PC gamer sitting around somewhere.

And I think games have become so complex and complicated that it is too much work to make a demo into a playable state to release before the actual game. Hell, most games now are barely playable upon release

You hit the nail on the head, it's push this out and let's start getting the next one ready, BF4, AC Unity and watchdogs. Seems I'm just picking on ubisoft but I'm not. Any company that launchs a game thats full of bugs of feature don't work should give the gamer/ customer free DLC, ULC or a code for X amount of their next game. Let's see how many games get released not 100% working then. You get a warranty with all other stuff we buy, why not games. When I had my ps4 it was £50 per game. If you bought a toaster that only toasted the bread on sided, you'd take it back the the store.
 

Karl775

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The only way to get this situation fixed is to stop buying games on the release date, and wait for reviews. And if you bought it and it had issues on release, the game is still going to be fixed and working in a month or 2. You would have bought it then, for the same price anyways, so there isn't much loss other than you have to wait for the date the game should have been released on to play it.

I waited four months before I bought AC Unity and it's was goosed, two or tree weeks later they released the 6 Gig update. Just hold the games back, they've done that before, mind you they still got it wrong then too.
 

sxr7171

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Yea, I really miss demos. I think I probably still have a stack of old Demo CDs from PC gamer sitting around somewhere.

And I think games have become so complex and complicated that it is too much work to make a demo into a playable state to release before the actual game. Hell, most games now are barely playable upon release

You hit the nail on the head, it's push this out and let's start getting the next one ready, BF4, AC Unity and watchdogs. Seems I'm just picking on ubisoft but I'm not. Any company that launchs a game thats full of bugs of feature don't work should give the gamer/ customer free DLC, ULC or a code for X amount of their next game. Let's see how many games get released not 100% working then. You get a warranty with all other stuff we buy, why not games. When I had my ps4 it was £50 per game. If you bought a toaster that only toasted the bread on sided, you'd take it back the the store.

Seriously I feel burned by Ubisoft. They have some great games, but I have games I can't even play. That crosses the line with me and I will ever only buy their games at $10 no matter how long that takes. By then I'll have a more polished or at least patched product for around what it is worth.

I can safely say no other publisher has made a PC games that perform as poorly and require so much work to run properly. The only way I'd go back to buying their games on release again is if they have a 24 hour return policy. I have to admit EA is forward thinking to have that policy on Origin.
 

Karl775

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I've wasted so much money on games not just day of release but new titles, just to get home and find out the games not what I expected. Let's go back to the demo days and buy the bloody game we really enjoy. Since I've come back to PC gaming I've still bought some games that's not for my liking, but they've cost a fraction of the the console price. So it doesn't hurt that much. The last game I bought on ps4 was The Order and I paid £54. I enjoyed all of the 4 hours to complete it, so to trade it in they offered my £12. That was the deciding factor I came back to PC. Plus I now get true 1080 plus the prices are a lot kinder on my piggy bank.lol. Should never have left the PC in the first place, but I'm back now and I'm staying this time.
Cheers karl
 

bystander36

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I waited four months before I bought AC Unity and it's was goosed, two or tree weeks later they released the 6 Gig update. Just hold the games back, they've done that before, mind you they still got it wrong then too.

Like I said, the only way it can be fixed it to wait. While you waited, thousands/millions did not and you still did not wait for the fixes, so you bought too soon.

The problem is, many are too impatient, so the dev's still get reward to release it on time, but just because others are impatient, doesn't mean you have to be.
 

lazybedone

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Most of the games are just crap, and if they lunch demo out their sell would be down for 60% or more, so they just lunch some " trailer " with the best things in game and people think there will be more in game, and ofcourse not.
 

Blitzvogel

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I remember downloading demos off of Filefront back in the day. Having hardwired 1 MB/s LAN access was very nice at college for quick downloads to my laptop. I downloaded so many game demos, with Call of Duty 2 being the first one I think.

Usually, a very large download is usually necessary to include the engine and all the assets just to run a level. So many games are open world now, and one can see this as a very huge problem. It's another distraction for developers who are trying to get a game released on time. Betas and early access work in the favor of helping developers find and fix issues before direct release though often it means buying a pre-order or some kind of product that comes with said access.
 
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slag

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Hell I remember Quake demo CDs that you'd pick up at the store!
And probably even before that.


HA, I bought the quake demo cd and unlocked the full versions of the games from it with a key generator I found on a warez site. Of course, this was a long long time ago and I've since bought the game and its different versions.
 

Homerboy

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HA, I bought the quake demo cd and unlocked the full versions of the games from it with a key generator I found on a warez site. Of course, this was a long long time ago and I've since bought the game and its different versions.

LOL yeah. those were teh days.

I actually sent Quake to my buddy in 5MB zips (I think it was 25MB in total?) via powwow chat/fileshare. Remember that?
 

smakme7757

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Launching a demo might throw everyone off after the hard work is done. It might even be a good game, but it might get a 70% on a gaming site which is actually not very good by the way most gaming review sites balance scores.

A Company would rather you pay and complain on their forum than download a free demo and complain on their forum.
 

Karl775

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Hi guys.
Half the reviews are paid for by the devs. The other half just follow suit. Now their making live trailers to make it look good and feel like your in the action. COD, Advanced warfighter, was it black ops 2 then destiny. Hell the blonde girl riding in to battle gets my blood pumping, then you look at the game and its ball all like the trailer. Wankers
Some games I've played on all formats have never had a trailer or over priced actors, and the story, gameplay and graphics are stunning.
Cheers
Karl
 

PrincessFrosty

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Several reasons I think.

First of all they're not free to create, they can take some development time to get right ahead of the final release of the game which is additional pressure on developers.

Gaming has become WAY more casual since the console gaming boom and console gamers are generally speaking much less savvy and so don't wait for things like demos, they go on advertising and things like that.

Piracy on the PC also hurt, many of the cracking groups would target the game exes in demos ahead of time to help craft cracks for the final game, since they demo exe never usually had DRM in it and little changed in the engine/launcher between the demo and the full game.
 
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