Why didn't Trump condemn white supremacists?

[ch33zw1z]

Thats not something a true racist would do though.

Tell us more about the behavior of true racists.

 

[pmv]

I don't think Trump is a racist. I think he's a race-baiting xenophobe.

The former simply has animus against people because of their race. The latter inflames racial animus for personal and political gain, which is decidedly worse when you're the President of the United States.

I have two problems with that argument.

Firstly there's his history of comments that suggest he strongly believes in 'race' as a meaningful category, as a determinant of people's success and behaviour (e.g. that 'good German blood' remark).

Secondly, 'inflaming racial animus for personal gain' is a _racist thing to do_. It means not caring about the effect of it on the potential victims of racism. If you don't care about the effect of your beahviour on the victims of racism, that implies you don't see them as fully human, as equal in value to those like yourself - ergo, you are racist.

Edit - the most I'd concede is that it's a sliding scale for him - he values people on the basis of how close they are to being Donald Trump. People he considers to be racially different are probably about as far from him as he can imagine, so he values those people least of all. But he seems to see himself as some sort of aristocrat, intrinsically superior to almost everyone, for reasons of genetics and birth. Being born rich really messes with your head.

 

[HomerJS]

Why would a xenophobe do business with people of all kinds of colors outside the USA?

Why would a racist have sex with black women?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why would a racist have sex with black women?

Hey, how could hitler be considered a racist when he was half jewish? The mind boggles!

 

[killster1]

You were railing on about the BLM/Antifa boogiemen and I guess accidentally forgot about the white supremacists actually murdering people.

what murders are you talking about? the angry mob that attempted to take away someones gun? Who said that guy was a white supremacist? Seems everyone is quick to say someone is a white supremacist even a cuban is a white supremacist according to you people.

 

[fskimospy]

Thats not something a true racist would do though.

Would a true racist say that black people are inherently lazy?

 

[brycejones]

what murders are you talking about? the angry mob that attempted to take away someones gun? Who said that guy was a white supremacist? Seems everyone is quick to say someone is a white supremacist even a cuban is a white supremacist according to you people.

"you people" LOL

BTW I'm pretty sure he is referring to the FBI stats on politically motivated violence which has white nationalists groups way out in the lead.

 

[HomerJS]

what murders are you talking about? the angry mob that attempted to take away someones gun? Who said that guy was a white supremacist? Seems everyone is quick to say someone is a white supremacist even a cuban is a white supremacist according to you people.

You mean the angry mob who tried to take his gun away after he shot 2 people. Earlier he was pointing his gun towards and threatening people (according to the protestors)

As for murders I guess you forgot...

Charlottesville
Charlestown
Pittsburgh

There are others

 

[sactoking]

"Guys, guys, this Voldemort character obviously isn't mounting a supremacist campaign targeting muggles and non-pure bloods. I mean, his dad was a muggle so he's not a pure-blood himself. It wouldn't make any sense for him to be targeting non-pure bloods. Obvious fake news!"

 

[Lanyap]

I don't think Trump is a racist. I think he's a race-baiting xenophobe.

The former simply has animus against people because of their race. The latter inflames racial animus for personal and political gain, which is decidedly worse when you're the President of the United States.

He’s both. No doubt about it.

 

[killster1]

You mean the angry mob who tried to take his gun away after he shot 2 people. Earlier he was pointing his gun towards and threatening people (according to the protestors)

As for murders I guess you forgot...

Charlottesville
Charlestown
Pittsburgh

There are others

no i didnt forget i just have no idea what those murders might be, i guess i can google them. (according to protesters) he pointed the gun toward people who approached and threw things charging someone with a gun sounds like suicide / reasonable shooting to me. As far as Charlottesville it looks like a mentally ill person drove into a crowd not sure if it was racially motivated or not (did they target and kill a white person or?)
Charlestown really no idea what happened there or Pittsburgh my google search didnt come back with anything.

 

[HomerJS]

no i didnt forget i just have no idea what those murders might be, i guess i can google them. (according to protesters) he pointed the gun toward people who approached and threw things charging someone with a gun sounds like suicide / reasonable shooting to me. As far as Charlottesville it looks like a mentally ill person drove into a crowd not sure if it was racially motivated or not (did they target and kill a white person or?)
Charlestown really no idea what happened there or Pittsburgh my google search didnt come back with anything.

Charlestown is Dylan Roof. A black church invited him in and he killed 9 people. See I need to remember these things.

Pittsburgh was the synagogue shooting

Why are you assigning mental illness to the guy who plowed his car into a crowd in Charlottesville? He was one of the racist protestors. The girl he killed happened to be white but she was a counter protestor against racism

 

[brycejones]

no i didnt forget i just have no idea what those murders might be, i guess i can google them. (according to protesters) he pointed the gun toward people who approached and threw things charging someone with a gun sounds like suicide / reasonable shooting to me. As far as Charlottesville it looks like a mentally ill person drove into a crowd not sure if it was racially motivated or not (did they target and kill a white person or?)
Charlestown really no idea what happened there or Pittsburgh my google search didnt come back with anything.

So basically you haven’t paid attention at all for the last decade?

Also because the victim is white doesn’t mean an attack can’t be racially motivated see Charlottesville he attacked those who opposed his views of white supremacy writing it off as the act of an insane person is just dishonest on your part.

 

[brycejones]

Charlestown is Dylan Roof. A black church invited him in and he killed 9 people. See I need to remember these things.

Pittsburgh was the synagogue shooting

Why are you assigning mental illness to the guy who plowed his car into a crowd in Charlottesville? He was one of the racist protestors. The girl he killed happened to be white but she was a counter protestor against racism

I think we already have our answer from killster. They were committed by mentally ill white people in his opinion so they don’t count as violence perpetrated by the right wing.

 

[killster1]

Charlestown is Dylan Roof. A black church invited him in and he killed 9 people. See I need to remember these things.

Pittsburgh was the synagogue shooting

Why are you assigning mental illness to the guy who plowed his car into a crowd in Charlottesville? He was one of the racist protestors. The girl he killed happened to be white but she was a counter protestor against racism

Oh so you are saying only white people are racists and murder people and that the other way around doesn't happen. So the the white supremacy person killed a white girl and that is your way of saying antifa is OK? I thought we where talking about protestors and antifa then you go on about 5 years ago there was this guy named dylan roof who killed some people (another mentally ill person who was on drugs)

 

[killster1]

So basically you haven’t paid attention at all for the last decade?

Also because the victim is white doesn’t mean an attack can’t be racially motivated see Charlottesville he attacked those who opposed his views of white supremacy writing it off as the act of an insane person is just dishonest on your part.

i can have my opinion and you can have yours right? You think a rational stable person would shoot others? is that the normal thing to do?

 

[feralkid]

i can have my opinion and you can have yours right? You think a rational stable person would shoot others? is that the normal thing to do?

Ask a soldier.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh so you are saying only white people are racists and murder people and that the other way around doesn't happen. So the the white supremacy person killed a white girl and that is your way of saying antifa is OK? I thought we where talking about protestors and antifa then you go on about 5 years ago there was this guy named dylan roof who killed some people (another mentally ill person who was on drugs)

Dylan Roof was not on drugs. He calmly walked in, sat around and prayed them, lined the up, then shot them dead.

You've invented scenarios in order to defend your ignorance about real white supremacist violence that is an actual threat in this country. Unlike antifa, that you actually can't point to a real, solid incident that any of them, whatever they are, are responsible for.

You can't. There are literally no real cases to discuss.

 

[zinfamous]

i can have my opinion and you can have yours right? You think a rational stable person would shoot others? is that the normal thing to do?

Are you now confusing what you tried to pass off as fact as just having a perpetually defensible "opinion"?

That's horseshit. Grow up and learn to talk to adults.

 

[fskimospy]

i can have my opinion and you can have yours right? You think a rational stable person would shoot others? is that the normal thing to do?

That’s a pretty convenient position to hold because if any person who is shooting others is inherently irrational then you can always excuse right wing violence away.

As per Trump’s own DHS, right wing violence and terrorism is the primary terrorist threat to Americans that exists today, more than Islamic terrorism. I fully expect if Biden wins we will see conservative violence further surge.

 

[brycejones]

i can have my opinion and you can have yours right? You think a rational stable person would shoot others? is that the normal thing to do?

The big difference is you look for ways to explain away shitty behavior and minimize it. That's pretty amoral.

Radicalized people do things that most of us look at as irrational and abhorrent behavior. The reason why the DHS drafted a report that listed right wing violence as a national security threat is because the right wing has been successful in radicalizing individuals to commit horrific acts. This isn't opinion, its a fucking fact.

 

[killster1]

The big difference is you look for ways to explain away shitty behavior and minimize it. That's pretty amoral.

Radicalized people do things that most of us look at as irrational and abhorrent behavior. The reason why the DHS drafted a report that listed right wing violence as a national security threat is because the right wing has been successful in radicalizing individuals to commit horrific acts. This isn't opinion, its a fucking fact.

seems like you are angry, yes the DHS makes all kinds of reports of what "might" be a security risk etc. of course mentally ill people who perform mass shootings are risk factor for everyone. My point is normal people dont do mass shootings, its not something we hear about everyday right?

 

[ivwshane]

seems like you are angry, yes the DHS makes all kinds of reports of what "might" be a security risk etc. of course mentally ill people who perform mass shootings are risk factor for everyone. My point is normal people dont do mass shootings, its not something we hear about everyday right?

Are you of the opinion that violent people weren’t once normal and that normal people don’t become crazy or radicalized? I hate to bring up nazi Germany but I can assure you the whole country wasn’t already mentally ill.

 

[killster1]

Are you of the opinion that violent people weren’t once normal and that normal people don’t become crazy or radicalized? I hate to bring up nazi Germany but I can assure you the whole country wasn’t already mentally ill.

so are we talking about people who fought because if they didnt they would be killed too? or fought for their country or those who committed mass killings in concentration camps. ya im going to stick with mentally ill to commit mass killings. I guess you can have a different opinion it doesnt make me angry

 

[brycejones]

seems like you are angry, yes the DHS makes all kinds of reports of what "might" be a security risk etc. of course mentally ill people who perform mass shootings are risk factor for everyone. My point is normal people dont do mass shootings, its not something we hear about everyday right?

Angry? No. Do I find your willful disregard of the facts disgusting? Yes.