Why didn't Trump condemn white supremacists?

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killster1

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If your wife/gf said she isn't cheating on you and then the next day you see her grabbing the asses of other guys, would you believe her. If she required a written statement to proclaim she isn't cheating would you believe her?
Great comparison, yes I'd believe her, grabbing asses isn't something a lady would do anyway. The thread is about trumps quote during the debate correct? Did you see my post of what I heard or are you only focusing on other things? I don't think Cubans are white supremacists, no written testimony needed. Trump denounced racism in the debate it was clear to me. Now what he really thinks I can never pretend to know.
 

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Great comparison, yes I'd believe her, grabbing asses isn't something a lady would do anyway. The thread is about trumps quote during the debate correct? Did you see my post of what I heard or are you only focusing on other things? I don't think Cubans are white supremacists, no written testimony needed. Trump denounced racism in the debate it was clear to me. Now what he really thinks I can never pretend to know.

Can't even form an opinion from his years of history concerning Blacks? Wow.
 

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When a person's actions and words don't match up, I pay attention to their actions. Trump might occasionally give some lip service to being against racism, but then he turns around and does and says racist things. I also notice that his racist things come about mostly when he is going off on a tangent, while his anti-racist statements are always read off of a teleprompter, making me wonder if it is Trump or his speech writer that is not racist.

So, your argument then is that 64.1% of Cuban's lied on the census. And your evidence of this is that you do?
Who are you trying to convince me or yourself? Because your arguments are too transparently weak to be convincing to anyone that does not already believe this.
Ok so you just admitted this thread is bogus by saying hebdoes indeed denounce white supremacists. Thank you. Guess we are done here. Like I said i don't know what he thinks but I do know he is greedy and foolish. You all are mind readers
 

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Great comparison, yes I'd believe her, grabbing asses isn't something a lady would do anyway. The thread is about trumps quote during the debate correct? Did you see my post of what I heard or are you only focusing on other things? I don't think Cubans are white supremacists, no written testimony needed. Trump denounced racism in the debate it was clear to me. Now what he really thinks I can never pretend to know.
No, a lady wouldn't but a lot of women would. If in that example you would still believe her that explains your fucking gullibility when it comes to Trump. Now we all know
 

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Can't even form an opinion from his years of history concerning Blacks? Wow.
His years of history concerning blacks?? If anything I feel like he gave illegal Spanish people a bad name calling them rapist and murderers tho I can't remember his exact quote. Never heard him talk bad about other things. How about just saying what he did instead of hinting there is something.
 

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No, a lady wouldn't but a lot of women would. If in that example you would still believe her that explains your fucking gullibility when it comes to Trump. Now we all know
Gotta love how you ignored the true reason for the thread. Has nothing to do with me believing what Trump is saying. Just simply that he did indeed say it. How about starting a new thread pointing all the racist acts he has committed. This thread is done.
 

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Ok so you just admitted this thread is bogus by saying hebdoes indeed denounce white supremacists. Thank you. Guess we are done here. Like I said i don't know what he thinks but I do know he is greedy and foolish. You all are mind readers

As I said pages ago. He was given a softball question. Something any politician, any decent person, should be able to hit out of the park. Instead he made it into a major question about his fitness to be President.
Either Trump is a racist that can't think on his feet fast enough to cover it up. Or he is a complete moron who is racist. There is really no two ways about this.

When asked if you are racist you say NO.
It is really that simple. If that question causes you problems, well then I think we would all be forgiven in thinking you might be a racist.
 
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HomerJS

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Gotta love how you ignored the true reason for the thread. Has nothing to do with me believing what Trump is saying. Just simply that he did indeed say it. How about starting a new thread pointing all the racist acts he has committed. This thread is done.
Reading a statement just to have deniability vs really believing it strikes at the very heart of this thread.

If you really believe it why is it hard to reaffirm? I'll use the wife/gf analogy again, would she accept you only saying you love her, once? If she asks more then once how hard is it to say "yes" without equivocating?

I'll use another example. Jan you put out a tweet you love your wife. Feb you put out a tweet you don't love her.
That does not allow to say "I said I love her because I already proclaimed it"

Starting to get it?
 

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Great comparison, yes I'd believe her, grabbing asses isn't something a lady would do anyway. The thread is about trumps quote during the debate correct? Did you see my post of what I heard or are you only focusing on other things? I don't think Cubans are white supremacists, no written testimony needed. Trump denounced racism in the debate it was clear to me. Now what he really thinks I can never pretend to know.

I love how you posted the vid & then altered what Trump said in the same post. "Stand back" & "stand down" don't mean the same thing, no matter how much you want it to be that way.
 
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killster1

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How is it done? You can't honestly quote your own linked video yet. I'm not doing the work for you because you won't learn that way.
Translation is you make up things and can't back it up because you will be wrong. The question isn't if we believe him its if he said it. And its very clear he said it.
 

killster1

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Reading a statement just to have deniability vs really believing it strikes at the very heart of this thread.

If you really believe it why is it hard to reaffirm? I'll use the wife/gf analogy again, would she accept you only saying you love her, once? If she asks more then once how hard is it to say "yes" without equivocating?

I'll use another example. Jan you put out a tweet you love your wife. Feb you put out a tweet you don't love her.
That does not allow to say "I said I love her because I already proclaimed it"

Starting to get it?
Even if Trump told you everyday he loves you, you would still hate him. Right? So again you focus on what he thinks and not what he indeed said. Only Trump can know what Trump thinks. You can not so its just speculation.
 

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I love how you posted the vid & then altered what Trump said in the same post. "Stand back" & "stand down" don't mean the same thing, no matter how much you want it to be that way.
What did he say enlighten us. I wrote what I heard him say stand down and stand by. They asked him to say exactly that and he did. Biden told him to say proud boys and he did. How about you make a post of who said what since Bryce can't seem to handle it. The classic "im not going to do it for you " aka can't do it because doesn't exist. You can type out huge replies but not of anything that matters.
 

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Even if Trump told you everyday he loves you, you would still hate him. Right? So again you focus on what he thinks and not what he indeed said. Only Trump can know what Trump thinks. You can not so its just speculation.
His actions speak for themselves.

Serial liar
Tweeting white nationalist rhetoric
Redlining "colored" people from his apartment buildings
Birtherism
Central Park 5
Criticized federal judge because he is Hispanic

These are just SOME of the things he has done. Failing to denounce white supremacists is just inline with his past actions.
 
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Translation is you make up things and can't back it up because you will be wrong. The question isn't if we believe him its if he said it. And its very clear he said it.
You've watched the video, did you quote the entire exchange?

Here is a reminder of what you said he said followed by a transcript. It's really sad that you can't even be honest about what Trump said. Why is that?


so.. sure this is about him saying for proud boys to stand back and stand by. Along with biden saying antifa is just a idea and not a actual group.

moderator "are you willing to say to condemn white supremacist groups and militia groups"
trump "sure"
Moderator "are you willing to tell them to stand down"
Trump "what do you want me to call them"
Biden "proud boys"
Trump "proud boys stand down and stand by"
well there you have it i just re watched it and sure enough the mystery is solved and right there in the video!

Chris Wallace: (41:33)
You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.

President Donald J. Trump: (41:57)
Sure, I’m will to do that.

Chris Wallace: (41:59)
Are you prepared specifically to do it.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:00)
I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing.

Chris Wallace: (42:04)
But what are you saying?

President Donald J. Trump: (42:06)
I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

Chris Wallace: (42:08)
Well, do it, sir.

Vice President Joe Biden: (42:09)
Say it, do it say it.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:10)
What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn.

Chris Wallace: (42:14)
White supremacist and right-wing militia.

Vice President Joe Biden: (42:14)
Proud Boys.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:18)
Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing…
 
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killster1

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You've watched the video, did you quote the entire exchange?

Here is a reminder of what you said he said followed by a transcript. It's really sad that you can't even be honest about what Trump said. Why is that?



Chris Wallace: (41:33)
You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.

President Donald J. Trump: (41:57)
Sure, I’m will to do that.

Chris Wallace: (41:59)
Are you prepared specifically to do it.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:00)
I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing.

Chris Wallace: (42:04)
But what are you saying?

President Donald J. Trump: (42:06)
I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

Chris Wallace: (42:08)
Well, do it, sir.

Vice President Joe Biden: (42:09)
Say it, do it say it.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:10)
What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn.

Chris Wallace: (42:14)
White supremacist and right-wing militia.

Vice President Joe Biden: (42:14)
Proud Boys.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:18)
Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing…
Who's transcript is that? The problem is most of the time 3 people are talking at once. The timeline is false because Trump said sure right after they said to denounce.they then said to have him say for them to stand down and again he did.
 

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Who's transcript is that? The problem is most of the time 3 people are talking at once. The timeline is false because Trump said sure right after they said to denounce.they then said to have him say for them to stand down and again he did.

Just click the 42:18 link & watch the vid. When given the chance to denounce the Proud Boys, Trump dog whistled them instead. They caught his drift, even if you pretend it's otherwise-

 

killster1

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Just click the 42:18 link & watch the vid. When given the chance to denounce the Proud Boys, Trump dog whistled them instead. They caught his drift, even if you pretend it's otherwise-

Like I said they said it all so fast ontop of each other he agreed denounce white supremacists he said sure. They said have them stand down he said stand back. (Sounds close enough to stand down) its funny how if you hate Trump you can say he didn't denounce them but if you don't care either way and have neutral opinion you can hear it how I did.
 

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Like I said they said it all so fast ontop of each other he agreed denounce white supremacists he said sure. They said have them stand down he said stand back. (Sounds close enough to stand down) its funny how if you hate Trump you can say he didn't denounce them but if you don't care either way and have neutral opinion you can hear it how I did.

Yeh, we can all hear what we want to hear when it fits what we want to believe.
 

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Like I said they said it all so fast ontop of each other he agreed denounce white supremacists he said sure. They said have them stand down he said stand back. (Sounds close enough to stand down) its funny how if you hate Trump you can say he didn't denounce them but if you don't care either way and have neutral opinion you can hear it how I did.
"Stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.”

Keep flailing.
 

brycejones

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Who's transcript is that? The problem is most of the time 3 people are talking at once. The timeline is false because Trump said sure right after they said to denounce.they then said to have him say for them to stand down and again he did.

The audio is clear. You might need to get your hearing checked out. No one else is talking when Trump says “stand back and stand by”.

1:04 to 1:06 in your video BTW. Are you ready to admit you were wrong yet?
 

HomerJS

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Like I said they said it all so fast ontop of each other he agreed denounce white supremacists he said sure. They said have them stand down he said stand back. (Sounds close enough to stand down) its funny how if you hate Trump you can say he didn't denounce them but if you don't care either way and have neutral opinion you can hear it how I did.
Is this denouncing or supporting white nationalists?

Funny most of us know Trump supports white nationalists. The white nationalists know Trump supports them. Why don't you know it??
 
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Stop feeding the troll. You know he's playing dumb. The more you play his game the more it plays into his nonsense. Focus on signal, not noise.
 
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